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ShelbyCobra2004
03/30/04 2:00 AM GMT
Am i the only one that thinks some of these backgrounds look kinda crapy when there just a meg load of filters thrown together. I must say that many of these images are very hard to create but as soon as i learned photoshop in my school some of them i once thought were good just look like crap
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::mayne
03/30/04 2:11 AM GMT
I would take offence to that especially if I was a beginner...hey maybe I am a beginner hehe. Seriously, I think this is what it boils down to. If we knew the experience level of the individual posting the image we may be able to judge their work but, we are not pros. It is great to watch the progression of the artists as they learn the different techniques and that is what I strive for! I would love to take the opportunity to view your work;-)
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Darryl
edahs
03/30/04 2:17 AM GMT
i think "crap"'s a strong word to use...
what we learn in school isn't to be used to judge what others have done since there're different levels. alot of ppl here (i gather) start for zilch and work their way up. it's amazing to see the work of those who've never had proper training of any sort. like u said, what u once thought was gd now looks not as gd. i'm glad ur perception changed from what u learnt but i wonder y u've not learnt to appreciate what others have done from where they began; one would have thought ur school would teach dat most fundamental lesson of respecting others and their work.
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knuckles644
03/30/04 2:42 AM GMT
If you're referring to trendwhores im with you...it's annoying to see images like that get 99/100 every single time, isn't it?
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+camerahound
03/30/04 3:25 AM GMT
You've been a member since mid-February and have not yet posted ONE IMAGE and you have the nerve to call someone else's work CRAP? Have you ever heard the old adage, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? I'm applying this to you until, when, or if, you post.
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mckinleysh
03/30/04 3:32 AM GMT
I think it is just depending on how you use the filters.
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Rain DON'T PRESS THAT but...........just like kurt cobain. Unchecked breeding creates many a mut.
edahs
03/30/04 3:39 AM GMT
relax +camerahound...though i agree with u.
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kileychristine
03/30/04 3:43 AM GMT
Right on Camerahound.
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::TRACYJTZ
03/30/04 3:43 AM GMT
I'm a trendwhore - and I have no trouble admitting it. I study what others have done and I try it...then I try something else...and keep trying. If it looks good to me it may look good to someone else. I've been doing this since last August - I havent been taught by anyone else but myself - I figure this...what will I know in 2 years? And what can I do with that knowledge. Every artist had to learn from someone or a certain style. To me its all about having the eye for color, composition...whatever. If you dont have the eye - its nothing. Maybe I dont have the eye - but I have to start somewhere.
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::Marideath
03/30/04 3:52 AM GMT
I agree with everyone but the young lady who started this thread and knuckles644. I decided to PM those individuals as to my lack of enthusiasm for their rudely outspoken attitudes. .
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Mary, the Caedes-addicted-BarGnat
+Samatar
03/30/04 4:18 AM GMT
Uh oh... you guys had better run for cover! *ducks to avoid lightning bolts*

Seriously, if you think you have the know how to improve these images you are reffering to, you should leave a comment on that image giving your advice. Nothin wrong with that. But just saying that they are crap doesn't really help anyone. And like CH says, if you can do better, then you should post something...
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edahs
03/30/04 4:48 AM GMT
i agree that i'd like to see something constructive rather than read something destructive.
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knuckles644
03/30/04 4:50 AM GMT
Thank you for the very polite and articulate PM, Marideath.

But, I am sorry, I am sticking to my comment. It is my opinion and I am not going to change it. However, I do take offense at my comment being called "rudely outspoken". Perhaps I should clarify what I meant.

I found a good definition of "Trendwhore" on Urban dictionary.

noun;
1. one who does not set trends, but only follows them and bleeds all originality out of them.
this is especially true in the graphic design scene.

A person who creates a trendwhore takes a popular and overused element, and uses it again, and again, and again, for the sole purpose of getting a higher score or more downloads etc. Now, as for begginers, taking a popular element and emulating it is fine. They are just trying to get the hang of creating digital art. For someone who has had the time and has the skill to advance to original pieces, it is not ok. Instead they stick to what they have been doing and continue to do it, refusing to experiment or branch out.

If I see originality or creativity in a piece I do not classify it as a trendwhore. If I see a "cool looking" image, but which looks identical to many others, I classify that as a trendwhore. I hope you can understand that...


BTW: You can also apply the term "trendwhore" to areas outside of digital art. For example, Linkin Park is a trendwhore artist in the world of heavy metal.

BTW, Marideath, I seriously doubt shelbycobra2004 is a "young lady". The Shelby is a type of car, as is a Cobra, so I'm going to assume from his fascination with cars that he is of the male gender.
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+Samatar
03/30/04 5:02 AM GMT
I don't think we have many people here who fit into that definition. There are some artists that tend to use the same style I suppose, but I would say they are perfecting the style, rather than repeating it.
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knuckles644
03/30/04 5:04 AM GMT
Exactly. I do not run across many trendwhores here. I find a lot of Brycer trendwhores at WinCustomize though...

The 99/100 doesn't refer specifically to Caedes BTW. Many sites use similar rating systems...I was just using a local example of a rating system.

Also, repeating your OWN style is not trendwhorish...it's repeating the style of another hence the "trend" in "trendwhore".
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edahs
03/30/04 5:59 AM GMT
i dun see what's disgusting about being a trendwhore.. perhaps if u mean it's emulating a trend that's overused that digs at u then ok, i understand. but by definition (the one u've given anyway), it seems ur criticising a piece of work on its originality and that's always a toughie. it'd be gd to give these ppl some room and space to follow others so that eventually (hopefully) they hone their technique enough to branch out into their own style.

besides, isn't it tiring to look at something and to keep judging it based on someone else's work? if u look at it from its own merits and demerits and judge it as a singular piece of work u'd probably get more satisfaction from figuring out how this person used what he knew to create what he thought was something that he put effort into anyway, whether or not it was an original effort.
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prismmagic
03/30/04 10:40 AM GMT
I’m not one of the best artists on this sight; but I will say after looking at the work of one of the too complaining, he doesn’t have much to say for him, self as an artist.
Knuckles644 you should have better since, for you are one of the artist on the sight. Especially sense you’ve gotten some nice remarks from those trend whores as you call them; And isn’t one of your images a fractal by the way.
And then there’s the one who has no work to show at all? Put up or shut up. There’s a saying with some friends of mine. In the business world that I deal with! If you cant afford to come out and play with the big boys then you shouldn’t play at all. Now I'm sure I'm going to here back with some rash immature insult, that’s ok. I have played with the big boy’s and had a rather good time at it.

Critics are great but can they act.

I'm straight up. I'll be glad to acknowledge any other snide remark you want to say to kind people on this sight.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
edahs
03/30/04 3:09 PM GMT
bring it on. *grin*
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philcUK
03/30/04 5:19 PM GMT
what does it matter what filter you use to get the effect your after as long as you create something thats both original, striking or thought provoking- and that your pleased with the result. a filter is a tool as a brush is to a conventional artist - nothing more. anyone can fire endless loops of filters at an image but getting it right is another matter altogether.
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prismmagic
03/30/04 5:58 PM GMT
Well put Phil. When I saw this post, I thought it would be about filters and points on how to use them.
Not some ones crude attempt to insult the people on this sight.
If they should have an opinion of someone’s work, it should be constructive criticism, but yet they choose to be out right crude and insulting toward someone who believes in what there doing or who’s truly trying to accomplish something in there life’s.
I usually find that most who can’t criticize in a constructive way are generally insecure or over compensating for their lack of talent in one way or another.
It’s a hard enough in the world out there, with out being an absolute ass toward every one.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
philcUK
03/30/04 7:17 PM GMT
*** APPLAUSE ***
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"Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps"
=xentrik
03/30/04 8:24 PM GMT
Are any of you familiar with the term "Forum Troll"? :-p
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prismmagic
03/30/04 8:57 PM GMT
Know what is it.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
knuckles644
03/31/04 12:09 AM GMT
If you guys don't see what my problem with trendwhores is...well, I don't know what to say.

For the record, I don't consider Tracy a trendwhore. Her use of fractals (whether by use of KPT or Ultra Fractal) I find QUITE original. :)
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prismmagic
03/31/04 1:04 AM GMT
I think I corrected my spelling and grammar well enough for you to understand what I’m saying. Sorry I was obit tired when I wrote it.
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You sound like a person who has a problem fitting in. Or are you one of those people who have a niche with your friends on the out side of true society and just can’t get along. By the Name you choose for yourself I think it’s the later. You’re most likely a head knocker and I’m willing to bet you love every moment of it. But that’s my guess!
Either your just very insecure and you need to seem critical or tuff.
Don’t call people names unless you’re willing to look in a mirror and take a good look at yourself first and decide why you have that need. But that’s my opinion. Like you say oh well.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
knuckles644
03/31/04 1:44 AM GMT
Leave the psychoanalysis to people who actually know what they're talking about, please. You get all in a huff about my commments on wallpapers, but I suppose personal attacks are fine, eh?

Your post above is foolish and ignorant. I don't see how you can conjure up a picture of my life from a few posts on a wallpaper forum. Insecurity, toughness and name-calling. All you're trying to do is childishly degrade me as a person, make me think badly of myself, because you disagree with my views on digital art...the more I read your posts the more I seriously doubt you are a 45 year old photographer. You sound more like a 13 year old right after puberty sets in.

About the name...Knuckles is a video game character from Sonic the Hedgehog, mm k?

I see you fixed your grammer, though...and no, none of my images are fractals...
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edahs
03/31/04 2:19 AM GMT
whoa u guys gotta get a hold of urselves...take it easy ok. i see the point that both of u are trying to bring up. let's just lay it off a little k? i'm thinking what's truly upsetting is what shelbycobra2004 said so can we try not to get tangential over the matter?

perhaps knuckles644 and prismmagic both need to stop judging, that's all. is that alright?
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prismmagic
03/31/04 3:17 AM GMT
Yah that’s why you attacked me on the personal thread; right? I'm not embraced about what I do. If I make mistakes; I make them!
And as far as what I do and who I am not quit. I never get upset I like watching people like you going over the edge because they cant handle getting back what they put out. As far as the Physiology; too years as a miner and my girl friend is a child and family therapist. That’s a master’s dud. Anything else you should want to say.
Anything else you want to get upset over, because I’m tired of wasting my time on you. Your just looking for someone to argue with. Oh that’s right I mentioned that earlier in the other post.

Ok sally I leave him alone now.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
mckinleysh
03/31/04 3:26 AM GMT
HEY PEOPLE. Caedes is a place to embrace art, to cherish and build each other up and all the time I have been here I has been very peaceful. Do me and everyone else a favor and let this tread go, out the window, bye, bye. I am sure you guys have much better things to do than nag each other through a thread. Like make art and enjoy each others points of, after all everyone thinks different and that is what makes this world a wonderful place.
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prismmagic
03/31/04 3:32 AM GMT
Well put Shane
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Clayton H. Bramlett
kileychristine
03/31/04 3:42 AM GMT
Clayton I'm really proud of you
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Cheers!!!
=xentrik
03/31/04 5:18 AM GMT
Agreed. Personal attacks must stop, it's getting you nowhere. The point of my post before about 'forum trolls' was, hopefully, to get you all to realize that ShelbyCobra2004 has simply posted something to incite negative discussion. It's just bait to divide you into unconstructive arguements. Right now, I don't want to remove or edit the thread, but may have to if the angry shouting match continues.
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knuckles644
03/31/04 5:29 AM GMT
I would like to put this subject down, but Clayton is poking fun at me while maintaining his self-righteous attitude.

Clayton you are just a naive kid pretending to be an adult. Why do I say this? Because for one I said "psychoanalysis" and you come back saying you minored in Physiology? Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about??

phys·i·ol·o·gy

study of the functioning of living things: the branch of biology that deals with the internal workings of living things, including such functions as metabolism, respiration, and reproduction, rather than with their shape or structure

So, how does that relate to psychoanalysis?? Leave it alone and maybe you won't embarrass yourself even further.

I am upset, and you're not wasting your precious time on me, I'm wasting my time on you. Remember, you started this Clayton when you called me an anti-social bully. I'm not going to simply lay down and let you walk all over me. If that's "going over the edge" to you then so be it.
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knuckles644
03/31/04 5:31 AM GMT
I won't post further. I'm taking this to PMs.
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edahs
03/31/04 6:07 AM GMT
*hugs all around*
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knuckles644
03/31/04 6:09 AM GMT
You foregot the smiley :O)
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edahs
03/31/04 6:28 AM GMT
as a side note: was thinking about it, and i figured that ShelbyCobra2004 didn't quite mean things the way he did. we pounced on him pretty fast.
take it from the view of a student doing/learning all this stuff - being new, u'd probably be ultra sensitive to nuances, thus judging would be a near instinctive reaction the work around u at first. i apologise for not understanding where u (ShelbyCobra2004) were coming from, i certainly hope u didn't mean it as a careless way to slam others, but what was said in the beginning was pretty mean by any standards.
on the other hand, maybe we're pretty protective abt the beginners so it's understandable that we feel strongly about this.
knuckles: u nearly caused some ppl to throw punches there. smiley for u: =)
clayton: ur one honest dude. i like dat. but u gotta relax man.
shane: at least someone around here keeps cool. *grin*
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*caedes
03/31/04 6:44 PM GMT
We must learn to divorce the art from the artist when making AND receiving comments. Otherwise it is too easy for citicism to become personal and hurtfull.

As this is a relevant topic I'm going to keep it open for viewing but not for adding comments.

Any further comments in this thread will be deleted, and the member will be fined 50 karma.
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