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::jeenie11
12/02/06 9:45 PM GMT
i happen to be someone who loves to photograph people. in the beginning i sent a few of my shots to caedes and was disappointed by getting very low scores. i looked at the people gallery just now and noticed that the highest score was an 87 and that there were only 10 in the 80s. my point is.....why is the response to that type photo so poor. i'm not questioning my photographs but just people photography in general. i'm hoping that there can be some discussion on this. thanks! jen
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::purmusic
12/02/06 10:41 PM GMT
Well ... if I may ... I would venture that because of the highly inherent personal nature of the images, you are more apt to find that people would not want it as a desktop. Simply put.

Those that have acquired a higher C-Index value, at least to me, have more artistic stand alone merit.

And I am seriously not trying to revive a debate over the ranking system here, but the dates of the submissions in that gallery may have had a hand in their numerical value as well.

Some ... some of the pictures posted in the "Self" gallery were more or less uploaded to put a 'face' to a name for their friends here on the site. A means of introduction and personalizing contact between the members.

I will add that I have come across a number of artists expressing a desire for a portraiture gallery. How this would differ from what is currently in place? On that note, I am not sure.

For what already is, it doesn't seem to me to be an indictment against people photography to me.

On many levels it makes sense or could be reasonably anticipated that a larger proportion would rather have a beautiful landscape ... a sunset, a sunrise and so forth ... sitting on their desktop monitors.

Perhaps, some others will wade in on the discussion. Just some thoughts. :o)
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&KEIFER
12/02/06 10:44 PM GMT
Well .. without having looked at the people gallery I will say .. for myself .. a Portrait needs to convey such feeling and emotion so as to make me walk a mile in their shoes .. they need to transcend the "who is this person, and why should I care" you've seen them from famous photographers in museums and such ...

and, this is not aimed at YOU, but .. a picture of uncle frank working the BBQ doesn't quite reach this measurement bar

Now .. having gone and looked, and sorted by c-index .. I will say that Half the first page (highest rated) don't belong in that gallery .. in my HUMBLE opinion
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::jeenie11
12/02/06 11:38 PM GMT
i agree about not having a portrait gallery. i also agree that personal pics in the people gallery would be inappropriate. i understand that the concept of the people in the people gallery is that they are unique in their own right. at least 2 of the people pictures in the gallery are mine. i have so many more that i like to look at.....not because i know them(i don't) but because they represent something....time, place, ethnicity, age, economic state, gender, and general condition. generally there is sufficient space around "the person" to allow for desktop items.

i will have to admit that for me, since this is the only group i belong to, caedes isn't just about desktop wallpaper. judging from the submissions of others, i'm not alone.

i'm not trying to argue. i just think that people make up the world and that their sparse inclusion is sad. oh well, food for thought.
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::purmusic
12/03/06 1:15 AM GMT
I should have personalized my remarks much more.

Rereading them, it would appear that I have a slight bias ... and that is not true. I was playing devil's advocate.

For example; this photo here. I find to be very powerful and worthy of some contemplation.

And I erred. I would not quite agree with Keith on this one. Looking at the *ahem* correct gallery now (my mistake and rush to judgement and proffered explanation) ... I do see a number of images in the "People" gallery that stimulate my emotions and thoughts. But, only 15 pages of?

A very small number given what you said "generally there is sufficient space around "the person" to allow for desktop items," on which point I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

And when you phrase things as you have and so well ... a community of artists not particularly well represented in their collective works by the inclusion of the human element and condition? Kind of makes you scratch your head.

So, that would raise an interesting question in my mind. Have people been disuaded from submitting images of people? Or, do they not submit in the first place from lack of interest.

Hmm ... some server stats might answer part of that one. 'Cause I do like people shots. Something unifying and intriguing about it, to see an individual half a world away in their environment. Be it at work or leisure, whichever ... draws me in for at least a look.

Would I literally put an image like that on my desktop? Maybe. I could definitely see having a folder to look through time to time. I do that now, regardless of desktop suitability. I do that when I am on the site, looking through the various galleries of the images. Not much difference really.

I do, however think that taking photos of people is not an easy thing to do well. Perhaps, it is because of the technical difficulty (light and and and ...) that more do not get uploaded. I am not sure.

You certainly have stimulated my thoughts ... and that's a good thing. :o)
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::jeenie11
12/03/06 1:36 AM GMT
Perhaps, it is because of the technical difficulty (light and and and ...) that more do not get uploaded. I am not sure. "your comment"
my response......when we travel and i take people pictures, i use what's available. if we set it all up with lighting, texture, etc. it (to me) would become a portrait. this is what i don't want people pictures to be. my idea is that it's a thing of the moment. with this in mind i find that i take many bad ones. but every now and then a goodie pops up. the expressions on the faces and the outfits they wear are just great......and that thrills me.
we have page after page of landscapes, seashores, snowy mountains, flowers, etc. i'd like to think we could enjoy a little architecture photography, people photography, trains, bridges, places of worship and sculpture (and other things that are interesting) and have viewers enjoy them.
it's worth writing because i so enjoy what you have to say. you are a wonderful writer.
(you are too, keith). thanks for letting me have a platform. jen
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+Samatar
12/03/06 2:43 AM GMT
I would say the main reason photos of people don't do as well as landscapes etc. is that they simply don't make good desktops in many peoples minds. Probably because they are so personal. If the highest rated images are in the eighties I would use this as a base and compare my photos score to that.

I just had a quick look and IMO the top rated images in that gallery are as good as I would ever expect to see on caedes or any professional photography community website for that matter. I have always considered this one to be National Geographic material... it's rated 77 so that gives a pretty good indication that these images are, as you say, generally underrated. Personally (as I have said several hundred times before at various times) I consider the c-index to be a tool to assist people in locating the best images on the site rather than a "score" upon which people should judge the value of their work. Even though the c-index here is lower than for other photographs, people looking for really good photos of people can still utilise it by going to that particular gallery and sorting by c-index, so it serves it's purpose...
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::WENPEDER
12/05/06 2:04 AM GMT
If you think "people" pictures are underrated compared to nonpeople pictures, take a look at the average score of computer generated images compared to photos. For example, my most recent fractal uploads (uploaded on 11-27 and 11-28) have c-indexes of 37 and 42 respectively. And you note that a photo score of 77 is low for "people" photos? You can say all you want about just needing to ignore c-index scores but, finding it next to impossible to construct a fractal that can score much above 60 (that's high c-index for a fractal), with most obtaining scores below 50, is something of a dis-incentive for taking the time to post that kind of work here.

If what you say is true about sorting by quality WITHIN (rather than BETWEEN) galleries, Sam, then a way to address the problem would be calculate c-index scores for image subtypes based on distinct satistical distributions for each subtype rather than placing all images in one big box and making them "fit" a generic normal distribution of all images. Wen

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+Samatar
12/05/06 3:21 AM GMT
Frankly it seems to me I can't say or do anything without you finding fault with it. I'm really starting to wonder if I should bother trying to help people at all.
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.noahnott
12/05/06 3:40 AM GMT
I dont know if this is on topic, but i'm getting the idea that fractals should be getting higher scores? Um..well the problem i see with this is that they all look the same (not all of them)! Have you seen flower pictures over and over (they all look very similar)..when i vote i also take into account originality.

...cg is different. I think people vote low on cg is just that they dont look realistic/dont apprciate the work into it, etc etc.
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::J_272004
12/05/06 3:45 AM GMT
I dont know about the other end of the world but over here, taking pics of kids or anyone really if you get caught you can get fined and arrested.. Yes that has happend a grandfather was taking photos of his grandkids playing on play equipment in a park.. someone called the police and he got fined.. its rediculous but thats whats happening in our sick little world.. so that kind of puts you off taking the risk of people pics... I actually like a few in that gallery, and I feel any kind of image is desktop material, it just depends on personal tastes..

As for the dreaded "C" word... its all been said over and over again.. and the answer will be the same over and over again ..

Never mind Sam.. i still wuvs ya.. lol.. and you should do what you tell me to do when this gets brough up... take a breath deep and have another double scotch... lol
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::theshrew
12/05/06 1:15 PM GMT
Well you prompted me to submit a people picture yesterday - and today it has been archived!!! LoL Wonder what I did wrong?
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::Hottrockin
12/06/06 12:04 AM GMT
People's is stupid, including me, that's why I'm not very much into people pic's....however, I used to like Bill Cosby's Picture Pages......

I don't think Bill ever got arrested......

~checks CaseNet~
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Picture Purrrfect . Some people are like slinky's, completely useless but still a lot of fun when you push them down the stairs. 8~O
::purmusic
12/06/06 3:36 AM GMT
LOLOL.

Randy surely with a heart as light as yours ... you will be here long after us ... and the cockroaches. :oP

Kate? I think you got caught in the pinch as the site goes through some growing pains with regards to 'snapshots' and that policy being currently under review.

Certainly no personal indictment against you.

Shame 'we' didn't get to see it though. Next time then?
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+Samatar
12/06/06 4:04 AM GMT
You can still view archived images in the members gallery, Les.

I've PMed Kate about the image to try to find out what happened to it, but I suspect you're correct. One of the problems with the snapshot thing is that different people have different ideas about what constitutes a snapshot and I think sometimes we tend to concentrate on the subject too much (since 90% of snapshots are of people, or pets). Anyway we are currently trying to figure out a way to provide honest feedback on snapshots (ie how they can be un-snapshotted) rather than archiving them.
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::jeenie11
12/06/06 5:37 AM GMT
good for you kate. where's the picture?
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::jeenie11
12/06/06 5:39 AM GMT
ok......big thrill! i'm gonna get one ready and post it. (fingers crossed)
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::theshrew
12/06/06 6:55 AM GMT
Sorry all! I got fed up and deleted quite a few! (Stands in the corner and sulks). I also like taking the unusual or one-off photograph containing people. Some of us are watchers - some are taking part - takes all sorts - so the 'snapshot' accusation hurt!
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::jeenie11
12/06/06 7:01 AM GMT
well, i did it. tell me what you think! jen
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::purmusic
12/06/06 7:40 AM GMT
'K, silly me ... I went off and looked afterwards when it dawned on me that it was probably archived.

It was an image of some younger children swimming in sludge. (<---- kidding here. I had read robnevin's comment.)

Although it captured the exuberance of youth and an interesting moment in time, I think it was probably sitting on the fence for me as far as interest sake is concerned.

And I really, really want you to know Kate that I am not trying to imply that you took a 'snapshot.' This is just my take from a personal perspective.

I know you do good work. :o)
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::cynlee
12/06/06 3:21 PM GMT
Well, I looked through the people gallery and I have come away with the impression that people photographs teach us something about ourselves. I have always wished there were more submissions like this to the site. Maybe you wouldn't use the image as a DT, that's your choice, there are lots of other images here that I would never consider using as a DT and they aren't of people, but as stated Caedes is supposed to be a site for artists. I love most of those images in the people gallery. I think those images more than any of the others inspire, motivate, and make us see our own humanity and our own position in the whole of creation. Landscapes and seascapes, flowers, birds, beautiful fractals are all inspiring, but there is nothing quite as inspiring as looking at the greatest mystery of all creation, the pinnacle of creation, the purpose of creation, the reflective image of the Creator, the human being. Like images from the other categories, some people images will not be very good and be removed from the site, but if every National Geographic photographer refrained from submitting images of people, it would be a dull and boring world. Just my opinion. You don't have to get upset. My intention was not to offend anyone. I LOVE people.
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::theshrew
12/06/06 4:33 PM GMT
Couldn't have put it better - thank you cynlee!
I must admit, as a newbie, I am confused with the application of c-index scores on photography which, in most circumstances I (at least) am unlikely to use as a desktop image. I imagine the same goes for many others.
A few of my own images have v low c-index ratings. Now, is that because they are rubbish (technique or photographic content or quality)? Or is it that they are not 'judged' to be good desktop material? Or is it that 17 people either hate my work (or me, paranoia setting in) or don't think it it is a good photo - or desktop??
Confused...

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::J_272004
12/07/06 1:31 AM GMT
When I vote I dont think of it being used for the desktop, I rate it as a piece of art because there are some fantastic pieces of work that "some" people think isnt suitable for a desktop whereas I think every image can be used as a desktop it just depends on individual taste.. i've had pics of scenery, people, animals, fractals etc on my desktop, to me if it looks good and i like it it can go on there...

There are some great people photos on here but once again that depends on peoples individual taste.. these are a few which stand out for me ..
Grace (one of my favs)

Pale

Shyness

Moment of silence

Woman & child

Camel back with city backdrop
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::jeenie11
12/07/06 3:00 AM GMT
i agree with the selections you pointed out. it's just sad that they weren't rewarded with the scores they deserved.
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::purmusic
12/07/06 4:19 AM GMT
But ... they have nonetheless caught the eyes of some discerning viewers such as, and I hope to include myself in that category, 'us.'

Here's another ... and this time was amply rewarded ... Pole fishing.

One of many images, people or otherwise, from priyanthab that is quite visually stunning. He has quite a few 'people' images there as well. Go have a look. :o)
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::jeenie11
12/07/06 4:42 AM GMT
les, i loved pole fishing and told pry what a great shot it was. just terrific.
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::purmusic
12/08/06 1:05 PM GMT
This one ... this one is brilliant. :o)
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::jeenie11
12/08/06 2:08 PM GMT
you and i are definitely on the same page les. i wrote to him and told him how much i like it. jen
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.noahnott
12/09/06 5:05 AM GMT
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::jeenie11
12/09/06 5:23 AM GMT
i love it. too bad the focus isn't just a tiny bit better. the kids look great in their natural environment.
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.noahnott
12/09/06 6:51 AM GMT
...it's blurry b/c it's a macro shot of a slide. ;-) The original is clearer than a 100megapixel camera. :-D *credit for the shot: my dad*
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::purmusic
12/10/06 4:07 AM GMT
It is a very accomplished photo Noah.

However, you are really teasing us with just the tip of the professional's ice berg here.

Any chance that some of these might get posted in allll of their glory and human interest on the site here?
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.noahnott
12/10/06 4:22 AM GMT
umm, actually, sooner or later, i will...i need to sort the bads from the goods (i'm doing that now), i still have like 70 rolls of film to search through... >_>
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::purmusic
12/10/06 4:30 AM GMT
Another offering to the membership ... go here for a look.

Quietly contemplative ... and the impact of this image is quite strong in my eyes. Enjoy the author's work. :o)
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::jeenie11
12/11/06 3:30 PM GMT
it is a wonderful shot....pretty scary.
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.purmusic
02/01/07 6:28 AM GMT
Just came across this one in the new images gallery.

The accompanying narrative provided by Hilma; aka hudakore is very touching. She has put her own thumbprint on this image by way of some filters and effects (digital painting?) ... but to me, it lightens the image quite a bit in its' intent. This man is not to be pitied was what I took away from viewing her visual offering.

I like it. Have a look.

EDIT: One more from Hilma. Cenote Child.

:o)
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::jeenie11
02/01/07 3:09 PM GMT
it's so sad for a shot like this to be ignored or whatever and to get such a low score. technically i think it's just about perfect so a 38 doesn't really fit.
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.purmusic
02/02/07 5:46 AM GMT
This just in ... although I do find the structure contained within the photo quite amazing ... a people pic nonetheless, and the colour of the monks' robe(?) contrasts beautifully with the almost monochromatic look overall.
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.noahnott
02/02/07 6:14 AM GMT
Speaking of, I have this photography book called: "Tibetan Portrait, The Power of Compassion" by Phil Borges... He uses a sepia toner thing on the people in his B&W photos. His portraits are a model to me.

Just thought ya'll might be interested
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::jeenie11
02/02/07 10:03 PM GMT
i'll have to check out the Borges book. it sounds like it would give great guidance. thanks, noah.
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