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there's half a chance "somebody" tweaked your knobs and stretched your screen off, well, off the screen
I use a 17" CRT set to 1280x1024 resolution (the MAX for this size monitor) .. a lot of people squint at my screen and say .. "how can you read that?" .. well, truth is, I can't .. I just "know" what everybody is saying .. intuitively. ... but, seriously .. I can't get enough pixels on screen .. I have a zillion things open at once and I USE every pixel
the thing with LCD's is that they have a "native" resolution that they "want" to run at .. so, for example, even if you were to get a 19" LCD it may have a 1280x1024 native resolution .. the visible image would be a little bigger to you than the same res on a 17" monitor ... but if you are running 8x6 you may not like the jump to 12x10 or bigger
the GOOD thing about LCD's is that they don't HEAT your little piece of the world .. my computer room COOKS in the summer heat
I use a 17" CRT set to 1280x1024 resolution (the MAX for this size monitor) .. a lot of people squint at my screen and say .. "how can you read that?" .. well, truth is, I can't .. I just "know" what everybody is saying .. intuitively. ... but, seriously .. I can't get enough pixels on screen .. I have a zillion things open at once and I USE every pixel
the thing with LCD's is that they have a "native" resolution that they "want" to run at .. so, for example, even if you were to get a 19" LCD it may have a 1280x1024 native resolution .. the visible image would be a little bigger to you than the same res on a 17" monitor ... but if you are running 8x6 you may not like the jump to 12x10 or bigger
the GOOD thing about LCD's is that they don't HEAT your little piece of the world .. my computer room COOKS in the summer heat
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No one would DARE tweak my knobs :)
I did not know that the res would be pre set on the LCD type so that is a help - and there would perhaps be too many complaints here about everything too small to see. I prefer the resolution at 1280x1024 but it is one battle I lost.
For most things I am happy with the monitor I have but am often amazed at the extra detail I see on an LCD. Has caused me to delete a few pictures from here.
Interesting about the heat thing too - something else I did not know :)
I did not know that the res would be pre set on the LCD type so that is a help - and there would perhaps be too many complaints here about everything too small to see. I prefer the resolution at 1280x1024 but it is one battle I lost.
For most things I am happy with the monitor I have but am often amazed at the extra detail I see on an LCD. Has caused me to delete a few pictures from here.
Interesting about the heat thing too - something else I did not know :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
As a general suggestion, when you are trying to create a prefectly flat black background, you should try turning the brightness up to maximum before you finish. That should reveal if there are any leftover bits you missed.
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I have just checked my brightness Sam - it is already on 100% and my contrast is on 70, maybe I will tweak that next time.
correction - my monitors brightness, not mine :)
correction - my monitors brightness, not mine :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
I think that this is just a matter of the two monitors being calibrated differently (or not at all). By just cranking on the contrast and brightness adjustments you can easily reveal (and hide) many image details.
One problem that I can imagine is due to the different ways that LCD and CRT monitors produce light. In CRTs, light is only produced at the point where electrons hit the phosphor screen. If the pixel is supposed to be perfect black, it is an easy matter of just not shooting the electons at that point.
In LCDs, the light is always there (in the form of a back light), and the black pixel must try to block all the light. I can imagine that this would make it very difficult for an LCD to compete with CRT for blackness.
In your search for "perfect black" you may lower the brightness and increase the contrast of the LCD, but this will severely suppress (and possibly hide) dark tones.
One problem that I can imagine is due to the different ways that LCD and CRT monitors produce light. In CRTs, light is only produced at the point where electrons hit the phosphor screen. If the pixel is supposed to be perfect black, it is an easy matter of just not shooting the electons at that point.
In LCDs, the light is always there (in the form of a back light), and the black pixel must try to block all the light. I can imagine that this would make it very difficult for an LCD to compete with CRT for blackness.
In your search for "perfect black" you may lower the brightness and increase the contrast of the LCD, but this will severely suppress (and possibly hide) dark tones.
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-caedes
Lyn, I was referring to increasing the brightness of the image (eg in Photoshop), not the monitor. Naturally you would return it to normal after you had removed any "bits".
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion- rescope.com.au
Thankyou caedes and Sam.
Silly me :) Yes in the image program Sam, I see.
Yes I do that but not always. I normally test any picture for upload on my own screen.
It seems to be more complicated than I imagined.
Perhaps I just need new glasses.
Silly me :) Yes in the image program Sam, I see.
Yes I do that but not always. I normally test any picture for upload on my own screen.
It seems to be more complicated than I imagined.
Perhaps I just need new glasses.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
I see it on the lower right as well as on the lower left Eve.
I have a Samsung 19" LCD 8ms native at 1280x1024. Current brightness- 86 & current contrast- 62
Anywho, you wanted recommendations...
SAMSUNG 940BX Black 19" 5ms DVI LCD Monitor and it's yours for $240
also
PANTONE® huey for all your calibration needs, for you....about $65 or so.
8~D
I have a Samsung 19" LCD 8ms native at 1280x1024. Current brightness- 86 & current contrast- 62
Anywho, you wanted recommendations...
SAMSUNG 940BX Black 19" 5ms DVI LCD Monitor and it's yours for $240
also
PANTONE® huey for all your calibration needs, for you....about $65 or so.
8~D
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Picture Purrrfect .
You never see advertisements for string…they make string, yet you never see a commercial for string!!
Thanks Randy - I will now convert that into NZ$ - all these sorts of things seem more expensive here anyway. I dont expect to get one for much less than NZ$600.
In the meantime I have changed my resolution to 1024x768 and increased the dpi to 120 (it was 75). Everything has gone haywire, fonts are all wrong and now I cant do any adjustments on the screen. I want to extend the viewable picture a bit as it in not quite reaching the bottom but the darn keyboard arrows wont work :( They did before.
Oh boy will I be in trouble when the boss comes home lol. Perhaps I had better change it back.
In the meantime I have changed my resolution to 1024x768 and increased the dpi to 120 (it was 75). Everything has gone haywire, fonts are all wrong and now I cant do any adjustments on the screen. I want to extend the viewable picture a bit as it in not quite reaching the bottom but the darn keyboard arrows wont work :( They did before.
Oh boy will I be in trouble when the boss comes home lol. Perhaps I had better change it back.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Hehehe, I know what you mean...it only takes one button sometimes to throw things off. I have a few too many drinks and think I'm hitting the off button on my monitor and end up hitting the auto-adjust---aghhh!! No auto adjust!! Hottrockin adjust much better!!
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Picture Purrrfect .
You never see advertisements for string…they make string, yet you never see a commercial for string!!
This looks like the Samsung Here ?
on special offer :)
on special offer :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Just noticed you asked what the advantages of a larger screen are... besides the obvious (being able to see stuff better) I saw a study on TV that found that working with larger monitors reduces stress and headaches because you are able to place the screen further from your eyes.
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Yes, but I can't inderstand how the picture I see here will fit on a wide screen, I would imagine there being blank borders down the sides, just like when a wide screen movie is on my unwidescreen tv. Isnt a 'wide' screen wider than it is high?
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Widescreen monitors are the way of the future. I would feel very safe putting my money on the fact that when you walk into a best buy in a few years they wont be selling 4:3 monitors anymore. The answer to your question is yes, they are wider then than they are high. When you say the picture you see here im not sure what you mean exactly. If you are talking about the pictures that are on this site, then the answer is yes. They won't ever fill the monitor. If you are talking about the site then the answer is kindof no. Windows renders itself to take up the screen. It fits to the ratio of your monitor.
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No one wanted to pay to say something in my sig, so i will have to try and think of something creative now...
Thank you, it was sites I was thinking of :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
With the information i should mention that many sites have been designed to fit the normal ratio, so often they show up with all of the important stuff centred or off to one side like they would if you were to make your window smaller. Caedes for example has more grey on the sides then it usually does when you look at it with a maximized window on a widescreen.
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No one wanted to pay to say something in my sig, so i will have to try and think of something creative now...
I have never noticed any problems of with viewing sites etc. i=on my screen which uses 1440 x 900 resolution. As for wallpaper, usually you can just tell the OS to fit it to the screen, which just means you get a small amount cropped off the top and the bottom. If it doesn't work very well I just edit it slightly in PS to fit better.
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion- rescope.com.au
I hope i didn't make it sound like you would come across problems viewing websites. I just meant to say that they sometimes have more blank space on the sides.
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No one wanted to pay to say something in my sig, so i will have to try and think of something creative now...
another good thing about LCDs is .. they don't occupy more than a few inches of desk space .... as a general rule, a CRT monitor is the same depth as the monitor glass dimensions ... so, a 17" monitor is 17" deep .. and occupies a large percentage of your desk space .. (unless you are clever about desk placement) ... a 19" CRT is 19" deep and needs a rugby team to move it ... you can balance a LCD monitor on your nose, you know, if you wanted to
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Well I think I have just about decided to get one :) Thanks everyone for your input.
One more thing, do most LCD's have built -in speakers? My Philips speakers are part of my monitor stand.
Keith, if and when I do get one I promise I will try the nose balancing trick and report back.
One more thing, do most LCD's have built -in speakers? My Philips speakers are part of my monitor stand.
Keith, if and when I do get one I promise I will try the nose balancing trick and report back.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Hmmmm, I'm not sure...but, as long as I'm spending your money you might as well buy some nice speakers to go with your nice monitor. Here, try out these Swan M200 Studio Monitor . They're sure no ugly ducklings!! I have a pair and they ROCK!! Check diminsions and your desktop as these guys aren't small by any means.
~starts playing air guitar~
~starts playing air guitar~
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Picture Purrrfect .
You never see advertisements for string…they make string, yet you never see a commercial for string!!
:) The sure look nice :) For the price they should be. In fact as well as rock they should cook the dinner and and make a cup of tea.
Oh decisions, decisions . . . . . . .
Oh decisions, decisions . . . . . . .
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Most LCD's don't come with built in speakers. You mostly get them on higher end models, but don't expect much in the sound quality department. Also make sure that you get a LCD that supports DVI connections (so you will be able to use it with newer graphics cards). Lower end models only have normal VGA connectors.
Also keep in mind that most LCD tend to have a bit of backlight bleeding where the light makes certain areas lighter. That's only important if you like dark desktops, or totally black scenes.
Other than that, LCD's are great. I recently convert to LCD and my only pain is the backlight bleeding, but it's not visible most of the time, so I can live with it.
Also keep in mind that most LCD tend to have a bit of backlight bleeding where the light makes certain areas lighter. That's only important if you like dark desktops, or totally black scenes.
Other than that, LCD's are great. I recently convert to LCD and my only pain is the backlight bleeding, but it's not visible most of the time, so I can live with it.
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I was not sure about the speakers - the monitors I use at my work all have them built in - they are Philips models.
It is just as well Santa did not grant my wish - now I know there is so much involved he would have been sure to get the wrong one lol
It is just as well Santa did not grant my wish - now I know there is so much involved he would have been sure to get the wrong one lol
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
You could always get an iMac... that way you get the computer built into the LCD monitor plus the speakers...
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Oh Boy that looks a beauty !! Can't find a price though which seems a bit ominous . . . . . . If I have to mortgage the house it is not an option lol
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
With LCDs there are a few (potential) problems:
1. Dead pixels. Sometimes a single pixel (or more of them) dies. It doesn't sound like much of a problem, especially when you think of how small a pixel really is, but in reality we are so good at making out details that a single dead pixel will be like a needle in the eye. Dead pixels can be black (visible when the image is supposed to be bright), white (visible when the image is supposed to be dark) or one of the primary colours (RGB). When you're buying an LCD, make sure you will get a replacement in case of dead pixels. Some (or most) manufacturers have a certain number of pixels that need to be dead before they replace the monitor (for example you might end up with 5 dead pixels because supposedly according to the manufacturer that's acceptable). Some (or many?) manufacturers now have a zero dead pixel policy though. When I bought my Samsung 20", it came with 2 dead pixels. They replaced it without questions and no extra charge.
2. Backlight bleeding. When you look at a solid black image on an LCD it will actually be dark gray. LCDs simply can't display black. To make matters worse, how dark the gray "black" is going to be is not uniform across the surface of the screen. Typically there will be more unwanted light around the edges of the screen. So when you show a fullscreen completely black image on an LCD, you will actually see a kind of a more or less subtle light pattern. How much this is visible depends on manufacturer, model and can even vary from one screen to another (of the same model). But in any case, this will be visible and it will be distracting, especially in dark. Also because of this problem, pictures on an LCD often look brighter than on a CRT.
3. Ghosting. Not so much a problem on newer models anymore but it can still be. Fast moving objects tend to leave visible trails on some LCDs. This is most obvious when watching movies or playing games, but can be distracting when you do normal every day work too.
4. Fixed resolution. Most LCDs can actually display resolutions lower than their native res but the image is then almost always soft and blurry and not pretty to look at. So you're stuck with something like 1280x1024. This can be a problem for older people with not so good vision.
5. Viewing angle. All LCDs work well only if you sit right in front of them. If you view the monitor at an angle from one side or from above, the picture will be completely different and beyond a certain angle (which is typically quite small) you don't see anything at all. The angle at which you can still use an LCD is again different from model to model and some newer and more expensive ones already allow you to view them from quite a wide angle.
1. Dead pixels. Sometimes a single pixel (or more of them) dies. It doesn't sound like much of a problem, especially when you think of how small a pixel really is, but in reality we are so good at making out details that a single dead pixel will be like a needle in the eye. Dead pixels can be black (visible when the image is supposed to be bright), white (visible when the image is supposed to be dark) or one of the primary colours (RGB). When you're buying an LCD, make sure you will get a replacement in case of dead pixels. Some (or most) manufacturers have a certain number of pixels that need to be dead before they replace the monitor (for example you might end up with 5 dead pixels because supposedly according to the manufacturer that's acceptable). Some (or many?) manufacturers now have a zero dead pixel policy though. When I bought my Samsung 20", it came with 2 dead pixels. They replaced it without questions and no extra charge.
2. Backlight bleeding. When you look at a solid black image on an LCD it will actually be dark gray. LCDs simply can't display black. To make matters worse, how dark the gray "black" is going to be is not uniform across the surface of the screen. Typically there will be more unwanted light around the edges of the screen. So when you show a fullscreen completely black image on an LCD, you will actually see a kind of a more or less subtle light pattern. How much this is visible depends on manufacturer, model and can even vary from one screen to another (of the same model). But in any case, this will be visible and it will be distracting, especially in dark. Also because of this problem, pictures on an LCD often look brighter than on a CRT.
3. Ghosting. Not so much a problem on newer models anymore but it can still be. Fast moving objects tend to leave visible trails on some LCDs. This is most obvious when watching movies or playing games, but can be distracting when you do normal every day work too.
4. Fixed resolution. Most LCDs can actually display resolutions lower than their native res but the image is then almost always soft and blurry and not pretty to look at. So you're stuck with something like 1280x1024. This can be a problem for older people with not so good vision.
5. Viewing angle. All LCDs work well only if you sit right in front of them. If you view the monitor at an angle from one side or from above, the picture will be completely different and beyond a certain angle (which is typically quite small) you don't see anything at all. The angle at which you can still use an LCD is again different from model to model and some newer and more expensive ones already allow you to view them from quite a wide angle.
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All valid points ...
I think Eve should buy us all a 19" LCD monitor (at NZ prices*) .. so that we can help her evaluate matters
*noel leeming .. his prices are INSANE ...
(*sorry .. a little 1980's New York humor*)
I think Eve should buy us all a 19" LCD monitor (at NZ prices*) .. so that we can help her evaluate matters
*noel leeming .. his prices are INSANE ...
(*sorry .. a little 1980's New York humor*)
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insane? as in high?
Tell me about it - it aint cheap living in godzone ya know.
No wonder I need two jobs lol :)
Tell me about it - it aint cheap living in godzone ya know.
No wonder I need two jobs lol :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
just got a new 20" acer LCD (AL2017) that had setup in a dual moniter config with an older compaq 15" CRT, The difference in colour and sharpness as well as black "purity" were much more then i expected, i know this isnt an exactly low end model, but i think which ever LCD you buy you'll be impressed, just for reference i think the RRP for mine was $999Aus, which i imagine equates to about $1300NZ (purely from memory so dont quote me) oh and it does have built in speakers, never tested them though....
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i just shed a tear for poor ol' Crazy Eddie, and the Ph.D. educated actor who fleshed out his 'insanity'...
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Hi,my name is Rob..ok, so I'm not the greatest at replies and comments. Sorry. For anyone needing to contact me, my email is back up in my profile. >> my cluttered mess of a gallery
"His Prices Are INSANE" .. was a sales "gimmick" for the electronics retail store Crazy Eddie in the New York area in the 1980's
The owner, Eddie Antar was investigated by the SEC for suspicion of manipulation of financial books and earnings. Antar fled and lived as a fugitive for a while, during which time the government issued a $73 million judgement against him. He surfaced in Israel, and was extradited to the US in 1992. Eddie Antar finally pled guilty in 1996 for conspiracy and racketeering and spent seven years in prison.
It was one big shell game after a while .. showing prospective investors warehouses full of empty boxes .. in order to gain capital to open other stores
crazyeddie insane tribute page ... with soundbites
The owner, Eddie Antar was investigated by the SEC for suspicion of manipulation of financial books and earnings. Antar fled and lived as a fugitive for a while, during which time the government issued a $73 million judgement against him. He surfaced in Israel, and was extradited to the US in 1992. Eddie Antar finally pled guilty in 1996 for conspiracy and racketeering and spent seven years in prison.
It was one big shell game after a while .. showing prospective investors warehouses full of empty boxes .. in order to gain capital to open other stores
crazyeddie insane tribute page ... with soundbites
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wow, that wikipedia entry was chock full of memories..whew
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Hi,my name is Rob..ok, so I'm not the greatest at replies and comments. Sorry. For anyone needing to contact me, my email is back up in my profile. >> my cluttered mess of a gallery
which has traces of part of the frame lower right which I thought I had removed, and cannot see on my flatscreen CRT monitor.
Does anyone have any advice on what sort/size to consider? I share my computer and am stuck with 800x600 resolution so wonder if it is worth getting a larger than 17", which is what I use at present. I am unsure of the advantage of a wide screen.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, then I can go to the shop and appear slightly more intelligent :)