I had an image deleted and I'm not sure why. Could a message be sent to the person stating the reason. It would be nice to know why it was deleted. It was "My Tootsie's Are Red" New images, food/drink. It was deleted after 2 days. I don't think I accidently deleted it myself. Thank you very much for your response. Terry

I'm sure an image mod will look into this as normally if you upload an image and later it's deemed that it didn't meet the COC (code of conduct) you would recieve a message indicating why. Stay tuned, I'm sure you'll get clarification.

Only *caedes can access the database and determine if YOU deleted it (you'd be surprised how many people have asked what happened to their image, when in fact, they deleted it) ... and if you didn't, then who did ..

only the +, =, *, mods can delete an image .. so the only thing I can safely say is .. 'twasn't me!


could you describe the image to us? .. if it wasn't "wallpaper-worthy" it would have been "arc'd" .. not deleted

we are "strongly wishing" that people would re-concentrate their efforts on posting premium desktops .. and not family'esque snaps ..


there is the low rumbling of change coming on the winds .. but you need a special windchime to interpret it

Just going to weigh in briefly here, as I had seen paramedyc's image ...

It may be the case that although, more than 'wallpaper worthy' in my eyes ... having shown the Tootsie Roll trademark may in fact be a contravention of the sites' COC.

Bit tricky that one ... usually its' not recommended to have registered trademarks show up in your images as they are copyrighted in and of themselves.

But, yeah ... hang in there, I am sure clarification is on its' way ... and you can always PM (message) an image mod to have the situation explained to you. Don't wait too long and let your thoughts fester though ... the mods are human after all, and I would not like to see this get overlooked. Happens, you know?

Hope this helps, and to reiterate ... it was a good image. :o)

Thank all of you for responding. I think it was wallpaper worthy and like it on my desktop. I just wanted to share the colorful image. It was an image of fruit flavored tootsie rolls. I don't know if when you delete an image if a verification warning comes up prior to actually deleting the image. (Are you sure you want to delete this image). I did not click such a warning. On my old camera I didn't have a macro setting. My new one does and I'm having fun with it, posting some of my results. I would just like clarification as to why it disappeared. I love the site and all the new friends that I have made and looking forward to making many more. There is alot of talent on this site and I hope someday to be as good as some of you are. Thank you for responding. Terry

well .. for now, let's assume it was, in fact, because of a trademarked logo .. as Les mentioned, that's a bit tricky, some stay, others go

I, myself, have had images yanked from my gallery's grasp, like stealing candy from a baby .. due to a malaise in the image mod's head ..

eh, sorry, my doctor says I have to own up to things and take responsibility ... (*deep breath*)

my images were deleted because the ImageMods .. er, Because I violated rules in the CoC

(*wipes sweat from brow*)

It looks like it was probably deleted due to the copyright rule. Not sure why you weren't PM'ed but it's probably due to a bad experience from the past (ie the person kicked up a stink because they didn't like the decision). PM'ing when deleting an image tends to be one of those "damned if you do damned if you don't" deals.

If that is the case a new policy needs to be adopted. Keeping some and deleting some is not fair to anyone. As far as a PM goes that would be a common courtesy that the member deserves, if for no other reason to let the person know why it was deleted so they wouldn't make the same mistake again. When you take something away from a 3 year old you explain why. The same goes for adults and I asume that we are all adults here at Caedes. The image obviously means something to the member or it would not be on the site. If a PM isn't sent because the image mod caught some flack in the past it is because there is no concrete policy on trademarks and it is up to the individual image mod which trademark can stay and which must go. I'm sure image mods are big boys/girls and can take some flack. If there was a concrete policy and an image was deleted due to a trademark violation, and a PM was sent to that member, there could be no flack. There could be no argument. Flack only comes from a policy that is not enforced fairly. This entire thread could have been avoided if I had received a PM. Its just common courtesy. Thanks to all of you that responded to this post and for listening to me on my soapbox and now that I have vented I have a whole bag of fruit flavored tootsie rolls to unwrap for my next shoot. I might even take a photo of the colorful innerds of my trash can after it is full of the wrappers but I couldn't post it because it would violate, or maybe not, the trademark rule. lol. Thank you all very much. Terry

Well, the sticky wicket comes from ..

Do you allow an image of a Chevy Corvette? .. it is, after all a trademarked logo ..

a bowl of M&M's? .. there is, after all, a logo on each one


Branding is everywhere, it permeates our society in nebulous ways and a hard and fast rule is not only NOT easy .. but may not be totally desirable .. we really don't wish to be the Image Police .. I am in favor of lessening the stance on that one .. but am not in favor of doing away with it entirely, and that creates the confusion ..

We aren't interested in snapshots of kids, (for example) they are RARELY done in an artistic fashion .. you've seen them, I know I have, I've approved them .. but we only approve them because we don't wish step on somebody's enjoyment of the site .. the site is about desktop wallpaper imagery .. and if an image isn't suitable for that, we'd prefer it wasn't posted .. we'd prefer that the people posting them come to that conclusion, so that we don't have to ... there is a vague 'warning' that family snaps aren't encouraged, but yet we get 10 a week

A PM sent? ... yes, I think when a +Mod pushes the delete button a clickable questionnaire should pop up to send a reason why .. but that takes 'coding' .. and there is only one person coding the site

Everybody is attached to the images they've posted, or they wouldn't post them .. that is true, also, of the sites that accept anything from anybody .. including 10 images of a broken iPOD .. caedes.net is what it is, because an effort is made to keep it focused on premium images .. it IS, possibly, what brought most members here

There is a concrete trademark/copyright policy in place, it's just unfortunate some members feel the need to argue consistently regardless of explanation.

That being said… being a mod isn't easy, they get alot of flack from various sources, but the job needs to get done properly. Sending a pm w/a notification of deletion or limbo status should be mandatory. Allowing the members who have been pains in the rear to prevent the mods from showing courtesy to the community @ large just ain't cool in me book.

Pass over the tootsie rolls, I'm hungry. *holds watergun @ the ready* don't make me ask twice…

Thank you Keifer for the explanation. I wouldn't have uploaded the image in the first place except that I saw other trademarked images. I do respect the COC and know it is there for a very good reason. My intention was not to violate the COC only to share an image like other images on the site. Your right on a hard and fast policy. I know that would be very difficult. I truly love the site, and your right that it is a cut above the rest and that is what brought me here. You seem to have alot of common sense, and wisdom of the site to say nothing about your wonderful sense of humor. Thank you again and I feel that the matter can be put to rest. I am satisfied with the explanation although I did miss receiving a PM. Terry

hey Keith, pay me the twenty bucks you paid him to say nice things, and I'll, um...snicker and run away with your twenty bucks :o)

there was a string attached to the $20 bill .. and I yanked it back out of his pocket without him noticing

I learned that from Charlie Chaplin

"Sending a pm w/a notification of deletion or limbo status should be mandatory."

Good idea in principle, but in practice would probably mean that mods would simply be less inclined to remove images if they thought the member would kick up a stink.

In my opinion, if the image is a blatant violation of the COC, such as an image stolen from another site, or another caedes member, the mod removing it shouldn't be obliged to provide an explanation unless they want to. It is the members responsibility to read the COC before they upload. I do agree that in this case a PM should have been sent but as a mod I do understand why it may not have been.

I think Cat said it best:

"being a mod isn't easy, they get alot of flack from various sources, but the job needs to get done properly."

I'm sure it can be a pain in the butt to read whining diatribes from people who can't accept the word "no". But what it seems like you're saying, is that the majority has to do without the addded courtesy, due to...the anticipated actions of the very small minority.

Try taking your "+" off for a sec, and think about how you'd perceive that as an "ordinary" member. Perhaps you might be inclined to re-think your position, or at least how you state it...

Personnaly, I always use formletters when I reject a new upload.
But if the image passed the "new image control", we've to work 'manually'. The mod's work takes to me at least one hour per day. Not easy to send PMs everywhere...

I wasn't trying to kick up a stink, argue, or anything other than asking for clarification. When I started this thread I didn't realize a PM was so difficult. I now see it differently and I am satisfied. I know that being a mod is not easy and I thank all the mods for the job they do and all of you for your input and explanations as they are appreciated. Terry

Honestly, I don't think a pm is so difficult. I do think there are a couple of things that need to happen for mods to be able to deal w/the flack they get back.

1) The 1st time a member pm's back with a complaint, a more in depth explanation if necessary. If that explanation is not accepted, the response should simply be "I'm sorry you disagree, however I stand by my decision. As far as I am concerned this matter is settled." No other messages should be responded to after that by the mod.

If they choose to complain to *caedes at that point, he can reply with a simple "I support the decisions of the moderators." Heck - he can even make a form letter for that! - unless of course there is something out of whack with the mod's decision. (rare)

Sufficient established repeated routines of that might even cut down the # of times the mods' decisions are challenged. It's all about standing firm politely.

2) Pierre, I completely sympathize with the work overload, but I still think the job needs to include the courtesy of a PM with brief explanation (even if it's a form letter one) for why a member's image is removed/placed in limbo when it happens. Because images are archived now and no longer simply deleted if they haven't made it to the perms, this leaves behind a real "something was wrong?" hole for an image that has been deleted.

As far as the work overload, I would estimate that the # of images being uploaded daily has quadrupled since I started coming around a little over 2 years ago. I have to say that I as a viewer find it to be kind of overwhelming and I would be in favor of another round of upload limits imposed to reduce the overload. If I as a viewer have problems, I can only imagine how much more work it is for you guys, especially as your ranks have not significantly increased, and indeed I understand you've "lost" a few.

On a separate note - Sorry Sam, but I gotta disagree with you on this one. If an image was initially approved, a member deserves a reason why it was unapproved. Yes, everyone should read, know, and comprehend the CCOC, but occassionally someone misses or overlooks something. I know YOU never make a mistake, but cut the rest of us some slack there buddy. 8•P

*pushes Cat forward ... I propose Cat to be morphed into a mod so she can get the whip out and make the rest of the mods work harder.... lol..
;) *kidding

*peers @ Jac*
*notices she's been here longer* 8•P

thats why I can push you forward.. moahahaha..

*assigns you to get me the "&"*

Keep shovin lady. 8•P

*goes for popcorn...extra butter*

lol.. about time we got a few females on that board...

Cat fight!! .. (*shares Rob's popcorn*)

there ARE females on the board .. Lucy, Tracy, ME (when I'm whiney)

tune in your hair-curler radar and communicate with them .. er, US!!

Cat fight? WHERE? WHERE?

*dips into rob's popcorn bucket*

Let's get this show on the road! 8•P

I meant MORE females.. lol.. Cat are you fightin? gimme some of that popcorn... lol

My own POV isn't really the issue here. I'm just pointing out why I think the PM probably wasn't sent. The member who started the thread asked for a possible reason and I gave one, whether I personally would have acted this way isn't the issue.

You may note that very few mods besides myself and Pierre ever respond to threads like this. I would suggest that the reason is the same as that I've already stated, basically that criticism is always more forthcoming than appreciation or understanding. This comment isn't directed at anyone on this thread, I just thought I'd point it out as it seems relevant to the theme. I hesitated for some time before I posted my first response based on past experience as it usually simply isn't worth the effort to try and explain things. I am deliberately being candidly honest here so I hope people appreciate that and keep in mind what I have tried to explain here; otherwise you may find in future that there is noone left who is willing to explain or help when these sorts of thing crop up.

I think if a question is asked.. whoever asks it should appreciate the response they get from the mods.. i know there are only a couple of you that do get involved on the threads and try to explain the situations.. you have given the reasons as to why and what-fors so that should be sufficient.. other wise it just goes on and on and on and on.... like a lot of other threads... just my opinion

Please understand me, I do truly understand the work that the mods put in, and exactly how much work it is, and how frustrating it is to receive flack for that. My point was never to take away from that.

My point was really that I've now seen a number of these threads pop up in the past 6 months, meaning it's not a one time problem. And while yes, overall the mods do a great job (didja see where I pointed out that a bad decision was rare? didja? didja?), if there's a place where the system is a bit broken, as I feel this is, it needs to be addressed and fixed.

"With great power comes great responsibility" 8•P

(P.S. Didja see where I was in favor of reducing the overall workload? Didja? Didja? Are we there yet?)

ok, so what about making/promoting new mods? or if only a few are doing most of the load, asking those who aren't doing more, or can't, to either step up, or step aside.

My interpretation of what Sam said wasn't that only a few are doing the load, but that only a few are willing to respond to the discussion threads. Is that correct Sam? In the 3 1/2 years that I have been on the site, I have seen the mods be attacked quite viciously for doing their job (not slacking off ;o).
Maybe if we, the members were more gracious with their response,like Terry was , or even sent a PM to the mod , the mod (or the mod/aediles in question) wouldn't be as hesitant to respond. A PM, is after all, personal in nature :) and not subject to public critique.
Now this thread has turned into a promotional/political type forum for more/who should be mod(s).
Terry, thank you for stating that you have received your explanation and that you are satisfied. Most threads do end up 'hijacked' as it is called :) Don't worry about it. You didn't kick up a stink or start anything. You haven't done a thing wrong. ;=) This is where the newer members post questions and learn more about the site.
Keep posting your images for us to enjoy! Thanks

perhaps I should re-phrase that...

wasn't exactly a slight against mods who don't participate (but I can see where it might be perceived as one) but if, as seems to be the case, only two or three Praetors have the time, or are willing to participate in discussions, I'm putting forth the idea that maybe someone in the Aediles pool who does participate, get bumped up.

Thanks for the clarification Rob. Much appreciated ;=)

TERRY ... in case you haven't figured this out yet .. you CAN unsubscribe from this thread .. (just below your original post) .. just as you CAN subscribe to any post or image that you didn't create .. you CAN unsubscribe from any post that you do create

I unsubscribe from every forum post I make, immediately .. I will read the threads in my normal travels anyway .. and I don't wish to receive alerts for anything but my images (*scratches at veins*)

Great advice Keith...I forgot to mention that. Thanks! ;=)

Keith, Thank you. I knew about the unsubscribe but I like to follow the thread. I learn more everyday that way. And thanks to you too Mimi for your kind words. I enjoy following the conversation. Thanks, Terry

I think that most of members who are present on this forum, PMed me one day. I always answered to a PM. I think that other mods do the same.
If an image was deleted without explanation, the member can PM me. The mods can find deleted images in an hidden gallery.
If I don't find the explanation, I'll post on the mods forum and give my answer later.
So, it was easy for paramedyc to know what's happened with his image...

If I knew that then that is what I would have done. At the time I didn't realize that I could PM a mod. I thought this was the correct method to obtain an answer. Thank you for the info. I will do that in the future. Terry

We are not quite Gods .. We eat of your earthly foods, some of them .. how you say, Cheez-it? .. they are the favorite of this demi God

these days, word is that the real demigod is Ashton Kutcher ;-)

in fairness, yes, Pierre, you answered a PM of mine soon after it was sent. I hadn't inquired about a deleted image, but rather, am archived one. I wasn't in total agreement with the explanation given, but appreciated the effort made to explain nonetheless.

Actually I agree with the idea of giving some new people a go at being mods. At the very least it would give people a better understanding/appreciation for what is involved. I have advised Geri in the past that I would be more than happy to give up my place for some new blood. I don't think there would be many people who could be consistently enthusiastic about the position for more than 2 or 3 years...

to paraphrase musician (and Brazil's Minister of Culture) Gilberto Gil, going from being the brick, to being the plate glass window isn't an easy transformation. perhaps it would open a few eyes.