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The ruling on the 10 commandments

raptorfalcon
08/28/03 6:35 AM GMT
I was just curious about the opinion of the people on this site.
What do you think about the Texas outlaw of the 10 commandments. Dont worry I'm not an atheists
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+WinterNight
08/28/03 1:22 PM GMT
I think its horrible that they were forced to take it down. This country was build on the foundations of the Ten Commandments, now they are throwing them away, thats only going to do one thing...destroy this country.
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thejaedenbeast
08/28/03 3:53 PM GMT
I had no idea that Texas outlawed the Ten Commandments.. Why?
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*caedes
08/28/03 10:56 PM GMT
What do you think Muslem or Hindi Texans think when they go to the courthouse and see a obvious shrine to Christianity?
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ozman88
08/28/03 10:57 PM GMT
liberal scum... : ) jus kiddin but yea i dont think they should have taken them down, was it REALLY offending someone that bad that (to the offended anyway) a few words on the wall disturbed them enough to outlaw them? : ( its really sad thats what its coming too...
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+tbob
08/29/03 6:02 AM GMT
I think government should keep their nose out of religion and religion should keep their nose out of government.
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tbhockey
08/29/03 8:46 PM GMT
i agree with ozman's last statement...
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*caedes
08/29/03 9:18 PM GMT
ozman: It isn't about offending people. It's about freedom of religion. If a country gives _ANY_ preference to one specific religious group then there is no freedom of religion. That's why both freedom of religion and separation of church and state are in the Constitution. See what Jefferson has to say about it: [jefferson quotes]
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::tbhockey
08/30/03 12:46 AM GMT
yes...thats exaclly it, see christianity is being pushed out of everything...no prayer in school, no bible. But you CAN have anything else. And why do you think that happens be the one religion everyone wants to push aside?
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+tbob
08/30/03 7:54 AM GMT
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+WinterNight
08/30/03 6:24 PM GMT
The Ten Commandments are pretty much just natural/moral law boiled down to 10 Commandments. I don't think it is giving preference to Christianity because of having it there.
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CrazyIvan
08/31/03 3:34 AM GMT
Actually, many historians argue that Jefferson's words were refering to not giving precendence to a certain Christian denomination. In the early days of our country, it wasn't a question as to whether Christianity was to be the religion of choice - everyone had roots in Christianity. The words "Separation of Church and State" never appeared in any historic document of freedom - - they were implied in a letter written by Jefferson to a group of Baptist pastors who were concerned about the formation of a national religion and were later put into affect in Virginia to stop the Anglican church from forcing citizens to attend their services as opposed to their own denominations'. As for removing the Ten Commandments from the court house . . . . I can only say that Christianity is part of our history as a nation and is still the largest religion in the US. If Americans decide they want to remove God from their government system, then they must also restrict congress from praying b/f every session and redesign all our currency. I tip my hat to Chief Justice Roy Moore of Alabama. Sorry for the long post.
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jibboy13
08/31/03 7:50 AM GMT
I'm very disturbed when people say "the Ten Commandments are the basis of all law". Hello, people, they're not. Sure, killing, stealing, and adultery are illegal, but most of the rest of it isn't. The Chief Justice is supposed to make decision based on the laws of the United States Government. Whether or not he is a Christian shouldn't matter. If he's making decision based on the Ten Commandments over the law, then he is a traitor to his country. He [quite possibly] imprisoned hundreds of people who may have been actually innocent. He has accepted the rule of a power other than the United States Government and as such can no longer be considered loyal to his country. The punishment for teason is still death (preferably by firing squad). I'm sorry if I'm taking the extremist position here, but this is what would likely happen to him if the rest of the government were athiests (like me).
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CrazyIvan
08/31/03 12:31 AM GMT
jibboy13: Perhaps you should actually read the reports to gather the correct information.. First of all, treason is a word only used in refering to military attritions against the US, and even then only under certain circumstances. Second, the posting of the Ten Commandments is a statement - no rulings have been influenced by them. As to whether it's illegal to post them in general - that depends on your interpretation of the Constitution.
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jibboy13
08/31/03 9:12 PM GMT
I did some more research, thank you.
The Chief Justice of the Alabma Supreme Court is now defying an order to remove the monument from the United States Supreme Court. Even if he's not guilty of treason, he has been ordered by a higher court to remove the monument and he is not complying. He should, at very least, be removed from office, as we can't trust him to do what the government says anymore.
And I do think it's illegal to put anything religious in a government building, especially if it's out in the open like that. Whether or not it's in the Constitution, it makes sense that if the US is a religiously free country, then no religion should be shown in the government.
I'm starting to get the feeling that the Christians are trying to find a loophole to let the monument stay. That's really low, in my opinion.
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::tbhockey
09/01/03 10:58 PM GMT
jibboy..u have it complety backwards, and im sorry for you if u dissagree. But he would be betraying his country if he DIDNT place TEn Comandments over the law. This country was founding on it. And i dont know if your've noticed it or not, but the entire country is starting to demoralize and crumble latley. And this is going to only make things worse. So if u wanna sit there and laugh or say im wrong, just wait a few more years and see what happens.
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::tbhockey
09/03/03 1:17 AM GMT
true freedom is actually have the liberty to make choices and assuming full responsibily for your choices. "freedom" without consequences would and WILL eventually lead to anarchy.
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LunaTICE
09/03/03 1:34 AM GMT
Alright well I agree with what tbhockey says and would like to say more about it. I know nobody thinks about this, but when you say "Oh my God" its taking the Lords name in vain. Nobody ever takes any other gods name in vain and everything having to do with God is getting tossed out the window. This nation was founded by people who believed in God and Im thankful that we have a Christian president. What will be next? Will people have to have church services in secret?
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::tbhockey
09/07/03 12:40 AM GMT
hey, i just happened to come across this quote which fits this disscussion 100%. Its by Theodore Roosevelt.
"Every thinking man, when he thinks, realizes that the teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally - I do not mean figuratively, but literally - impossible for us to figure what the loss would be if these teachings were removed. We would lose almost all the standards by which we now judge both public and private morals."
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+WinterNight
09/07/03 3:47 PM GMT
I agree with what tbhockey has been saying here. Thats my point of view as well.
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jibboy13
09/08/03 6:58 AM GMT
America was NOT founded on the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are NOT the most basic moral code broken down. America was founded on the freedom of religion, and if that justice thinks that he can impose his religion on others, he is wrong. I belive I'll quote myself on this "...the Crhistians are trying to find a loophole to let the monument stay." Maybe you didn't read that the first time I said it, but it's really the most improtant part. Whether or not the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, or any other document says we are/aren't religiously free, we should be. As soon as we let one religion get superiority in the government, we end up no better than the theocratic regimes that Europe used to be dominated by.
Did you ever ONCE stop to think about the atheist population? Or the Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists, Hindus, or any other religion? There are over 40 million atheists in America alone. Only 1.5 billion people in the world are Christian. But I digress.
In conclusion: The monument should not have been put there, and should not be allowed to stay there.
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::tbhockey
09/08/03 11:04 AM GMT
alright, you keep thinking that, and you'll wish you didn't have any feet either someday..
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LunaTICE
09/09/03 1:08 AM GMT
Ok you do have a point jibb boy. The united states was not founded on the ten commandments but it was founded on Biblical principles and I think you have to stand back and look at the other countries who have had Biblical principles. I cant think of any off the top of my head.. This nation is prospering because we made those decisions to worship and serve God in this country. You are right everyone does have a freedom of religion and I totally respect all the other religions for the fervence in what they believe. I dont understand why everyone wants to rip down all these monuments... and I would like you to explain to me why except for the fact that "no religion should have their own special privileges"
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etr
09/10/03 1:51 PM GMT
Having a monument of the 10 Commandments is not forcing religion on anybody and it's not outlawed by the Constitution. The law is not freedom from religion. The state is not to make a state religion and they haven't, nor are they trying to. I would not be offended if there was a muslim or anyother monument so why is everyone so offended by the 10 Commandments?
Believe me the atheists are imposing their belief on everyone else by forcing everyone else to strip religion away from the public forum. In the schools where God is not mentioned all day the kids learn to live without God; they are learning atheism.
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::tbhockey
09/10/03 9:03 PM GMT
exactly etr, and actually they are learning an actual religion in school as well:Humanism. It's basically belief were man is ruler of everything and there is no authority anybody has to answer to, so they can do whatever they want and not have to answer to anybody for it.
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fierywonder
09/21/03 8:51 AM GMT
And actually etr you would be right about atheists imposing their beliefs on everyone else. But that doesn't necessarily mean that ALL of them do that.
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usernameid10
10/08/03 5:27 AM GMT
i'm a christian (that is, i follow the one true living Jesus Christ) and while i may not like it that they take down the 10 commandments because of my own personal belief in them, i can't say they are not right to do it. the "christian" community would be upset if we put up staples of other religions in state buildings and i can't force my 'religion' on them any more than they can on me. we live in a free country and freedom doesn't mean that i should force my belief on you just because i think its right. i'm strongly convinced by facts/history and personal testimony/witness of others that my God is the one true God. i put 'religion' and 'christian' in quotes because i'm tired of the watered down connotations that these words often come with. i do not have a religion, but i have a personal relationship with my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ and therefore call myself a Christian. 'christian' in the watered-down sense has come to mean 'a good person' or inherited 'religion' or some other disgusting thing. i know i'm getting off topic, but this is my soap-box right now. it comes back to the topic though. i'm not going to try and convince you of my beliefs by forcing the state to post the 10 commandments. i want to show you by how i live; that i have Chist in me and he is Good and Holy and true. man.... this is long..... i've said enough for now.
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tbhockey
10/08/03 10:56 AM GMT
you know usernameid10....i think your right, completely. And i never really thought about the last part you said there. Thanks
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usernameid10
10/15/03 2:11 AM GMT
thanks. :)
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raptorfalcon
10/15/03 3:53 AM GMT
I would like to make an interjection into my own posting. Being a devout christian I am prone to taking my Bible to school. I have been told repeatedly that that is not allowed in public school. The logic of my phylosiphy professor is that i am forcing my religion on others. Does anyone believe he is correct? Please respond this goes to the hearts of the debate.
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usernameid10
10/15/03 6:49 AM GMT
i don't believe that taking your bible to school is forcing your religion on anyone. how could it be? bringing things in from other relgions or even from other cultures is not forcing those things on others. its called diversity.
i think that if the subject were anything but Jesus and the Bible, then the world wouldn't have a problem, which makes me all the more sure of my convictions. there is something about Jesus that gets some people worried. in short: bibles in schools are okay. there really shouldn't be that kind of sensorship.
freedom of religion lets you choose what you believe, and it also lets you choose how you express that belief. you can't force it on anyone, but you can be a witness by how you act.
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"my soul thirst for God, for the living God." -psalm 42:2
tbhockey
10/15/03 11:02 AM GMT
and anyway, THEY are forcing THEIR religion on you raptorflacon...evolution, humanism...whatever. When it boils down to it, the only reason they dont want u to bring your bible to school, is that the dont like christiananity, cuz they dont want to submit to a higher authority, they want to "think" they can be free to do whatever they want
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synikol
11/05/03 3:37 AM GMT
i'll tell you the truth. sometimes, i'm almost ashamed to be an american. i think that there is a staggeringly high percentage of people in this country of dubious intellect that throw their opinions around because they just want to be heard. they want everyone to know they have an opinion, and mostly they just want to feel smart. the battle between church and state has been around forever, and the ten commandments have been here a day or two. but you get some lazy, fat assed american who happens to be listening to their child, only because theres a commercial on during jerry springer, and the child mentions something a teacher may have said in class that day concerning the bible, and they have to immediately take issue with it. not because they think it effects their child in some way, but because they're looking for a new cause to bitch about.

if you listen to the contentions that people in other countries have with the u.s., most of what they say is exactly true. sorry. can we go back to having fun now? :)
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CityGirl814
11/08/03 7:56 PM GMT
Very well said synikol, you did a great job, i agree with synikol all the way!!
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::usernameid10
11/24/03 8:03 AM GMT
i know what you're talking about synikol, but i don't see a point in your argument.
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::synikol
11/26/03 2:31 AM GMT
sorry, i think i may have gotten of on a rant there... i guess my point was, i don't see how a religion like christianity can be deemed harmful enough to pass a ruling to have different aspects of it taken out of secular society. people are wanting religious statues taken out of government buildings now. no prayer in school, etc etc... i'm not a christian. but i recognize that there are an awful lot of people who find strength in those things, whether it be the word of God, or likenesses of Him, or whatever. for that reason alone, i think they should remain. it doesn't hurt anyone, and it makes many other people happy. as far as the people who support those kinds of actions, i think if you ask them why they support it, they might give answers like 'it influences the children. we don't want them praying in school.' (or more to the point "we don't cotton to no biblin' round these parts...') but these same people will complain about everything that their children learn in school because to them, nothing is ever good enough. and what they like to do most in this world is complain.

by the way... i'd like to see about two dozen complaint buttons right over there ----->

:)
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utfan4ever3411
11/26/03 9:11 AM GMT
mama said.....what am i talkin about????all im gonna say about this is that our country was founded not only on what was successful in previous kingdoms(anglo saxon era, and rome, and many others) and that the majority of our goverment and laws are based on the laws in the bible. if the people in our country have a right to express thier religios preferance, then so does the courts. I feel they can "decorate" any way they please. and if that means that the 10 commmandments are up there than so be it. most people are just looking for attenion on stuff like this, like prayer in school!!! even when we take a moment of silence, we all still say amen. i dont get it, we are all goin down the tube. almost done holdup......in every civilization, it goes from slavery up the scale back to slavery. I think we hit our peak in the 70s and now we are on the way down. i give it may be 500 years be fore we are a puny county that no one cares about like ghana. sorry for the long post....
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::usernameid10
11/26/03 10:19 AM GMT
long post!? ha! i'll show you a long post! ... na. i'll try and keep it short. its four in the morning. :)

i don't just find strenght in God, i find life! but about God being in the schools and government and such... i'm sure some people find encouragment and such in things like this being part of the institution, but in some ways it might be hurting people. if you're not a christian why should you have to pray and read the 10 commandments? (this is not to say that they shouldn't, but what meaning is there in it if they don't believe?) prayer is meaningful to me because i know that i'm talking to God and that he hears me and i'm strenghening the relationship that we have. for others the 10 commandments are decent rules, but for me and other believers they are no-no's for a right relationship with God. i guess i don't know how to bring this to my point.

i am very greatful for the freedom that i have in this country to pray and say and believe whatever i want. i respect that others have the same rights. but ultimatly it is the people who believe that are going to bring God to others, not the 10 commandments or mandated prayer. when Jesus came he didn't go around petitioning to the temples and to the cities to start putting up his picture because thats what everyone should believe in. they would have been in the same mess we are today. Jesus spent time with people. he go to know people and changed the people's lives around him. then he sent those people to tell others and so on and so on. today, we (believers) are the next in line. so i'm not going to petition to keep the 10 commandments up or strive for mandated prayer in schools (althought those things may have their right and good place in God's plan), but i'm going to try and show the effect of God and Jesus in my life to those around me by how i live and act and speak. this country offers those freedoms to me and i pray they don't go away.
i could ramble on like this for another few hundred pages i feel like, but i'll spare your eyes on the computer screen for now. if i write a book i'll send you guys a complimentary copy. :) talk to you later.
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::Ntek
11/30/03 4:05 AM GMT
god bless you.
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utfan4ever3411
12/02/03 5:11 PM GMT
and every one of us.
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::usernameid10
12/04/03 6:57 AM GMT
i want to watch 'christmas carol' now....
anyone else want to jump in on the discussion?
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