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::third_eye
12/30/07 1:02 PM GMT
The message in the link below was left at an in image of our very own Mimi.

Should this go unacknowledged? I'd say not. Let's all explain why this was really not what we at Caedes are all about. I say "we" so this isn't just about one member, me, but a community defending one of their own, who's done so much to help. Just once, get off your butts, stop hiding, and speak up.


disgraceful words
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 1:33 PM GMT
This seems far too out of character to be so simple?

Which image was this left at? Why?
Perhaps we should ask the poster before we start waving pictch forks.
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&KEIFER
12/30/07 1:42 PM GMT
and .. how would you feel if it was on your image, Bonnie, an image which, by the way certainly didn't deserve THIS attack .. an image posted by a member who certainly didn't deserve this attack

what possible reason could Hans give for spewing forth such vehement hatred .. such deep-rooted contempt

besides, of course, being immature
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::Hottrockin
12/30/07 1:46 PM GMT
WHOA!!

That's like school on Sunday...NO CLASS!!

That's really just down right sad to see such negativity!!

Someone needs a schooling alright, in tact and etiquette, and it isn’t Mimi!!
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round?? Picture Purrrfect .
::third_eye
12/30/07 2:05 PM GMT
Pitchforks? Perhaps.

Yes, I should've exercised more restraint(sorry), and hopefully, members here are better at it than I am. So,then,civilly, perhaps in a PM, tell Hans this was wrong. But tell him.
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::animaniactoo
12/30/07 2:21 PM GMT
Rob, thanks for bringing this to our attention, it's exactly the sort of spirit that is NOT needed here.

Bonnie, sorry, but that comment is inappropriate at any time to anyone, no matter what their gallery looks like.
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
::J_272004
12/30/07 2:22 PM GMT
I think its disgusting, immature and should be banned for a few weeks for that kind of behaviour.. he obviously has a problem.. wonder how he would have felt if someone said that about his gallery.. guess he must be a super-dooper photographer ;) guess us little people are just not up to his high standard..

I like the part where he says "do better or get out" i know who i'd be outing first

Can you imagine the damage it would have done if it was directed at one of the kids or a newbie??

Bonnie click on the link in Robs comment thats where it is.. in the hall of shame where it belongs
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&philcUK
12/30/07 2:26 PM GMT
the attack on Mimi is just one more incident of poor behaviour by ‘established’ members who, for whatever reason, seem to think that the sites codes and rules no longer apply to them. Whether it be disgraceful comments like this or other breaches that abuse the rules, other members or the admin crew, there is a significant faction that think it is acceptable behaviour and as has been mentioned, it’s up to us as the larger community to show zero tolerance to it in all its forms. There are sufficiently large amounts of trolls, egomaniacs and idiots that plague the place already without allowing any more to flourish.

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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 2:33 PM GMT
If it was me I would ask him what in hell was going on...as I said It seems very much out of character.
It would not be the first time I've seen someone go arsey but then it would not be the first time I've seen someones acount comprimised.


Anyway, I was showing a little bit of benefit of the doubt which might be a good thing.

I think it is a matter between Mimi and Dutch, not to be dragged out in public, which also is not classy.
But now it is out...where are Dutch and Mimi?

What's going on?

When I know if it is a simple and direct 'attack' then I will comment.
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::animaniactoo
12/30/07 2:34 PM GMT
Sent via pm:

"Oh, this is nice, thanks for the posting ! , the rest of your gallerie is not so much worth mention it, but hey, we can't be proffesionals all the time. thanks for trying...but you must do better, and do take some compositions lessons...it might help. For as it is i have given you credit, but no longer. You are a shame to caedes...regarding images. Just do better , or get out , please. "

It is not EVER yours as a member of this community to degrade someone else's art in such an insulting manner, and especially not to tell them to leave if they can't do better. This is a community which supports one another even when offering criticism, which is why constructive is the only type allowed.

Please refresh yourself on the site's Giving an Image Review standard."
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
::J_272004
12/30/07 2:36 PM GMT
how much simple and direct are you waiting for.. its there in black and white what he wrote
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::animaniactoo
12/30/07 2:40 PM GMT
It's public by the simple fact of his posting it publicly on her image. If he'd done it privately via PM, she would feel free to respond privately and probably file a complaint for it.
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
::Shewolfe
12/30/07 2:43 PM GMT
I've already said it's not always so simple.
Trust me I've seen weirder things happen.

I am also not condoning what he appeared to have said in any way. Turn your sights to him not me..I'm simply waiting to hear what in HELL is going on before I comment to him directly.
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 2:44 PM GMT
Can everyone else see the image?
To me the link only goes to his messege not to the image and the discussion under it?
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"Everyone has a photographic memory...some just don't have film." ~~My DA Gallery~~
::J_272004
12/30/07 2:47 PM GMT
scroll down you'll see it.. it says hall of shame
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MY GALLERY ........... "Live one day at a time and make it a masterpiece"
::third_eye
12/30/07 2:48 PM GMT
Well, if the shoe fits...

*shoves foot into the "unclassy" shoe*

Whaddya know...

Perhaps, Bonnie, you should be made aware of how much Mimi has done for the site. Not just her latest undertaking, the featured artist thing. Her image comments,her (many)thread contributions, and her overall attempt at spreading goodwill.

Yes, on the most basic of levels, this is between one member and another. But, me being me, I don't see things on a basic level. I don't tolerate the bullying of another.

“The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of evil people, but because ordinary people do nothing about it.”
—Albert Einstein
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::J_272004
12/30/07 2:49 PM GMT
yep and as cat said he posted it in public for the world to see..
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MY GALLERY ........... "Live one day at a time and make it a masterpiece"
::Shewolfe
12/30/07 2:58 PM GMT
Third eye...I'm doing something called benefit of the doubt.
Not all things in life are simple.

Of course you guys are probably all correct in your assumptions but I've jumped in before and been very wrong.
So I'll be waiting from something from either of the people involved before I comment to Dutch.
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::third_eye
12/30/07 3:03 PM GMT
understood, but it's sort of hard to interpret those comments in any other context. how else do you suppose

"You are a shame to caedes...regarding images. Just do better , or get out , please. "

could've been meant?
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::animaniactoo
12/30/07 3:05 PM GMT
Bonnie, not all things in life are simple, but some things are wrong and should be met with the message that they are not tolerated immediately. There may be other explanations as you said, but not one of them allow for the leaving of that message.

If you want to wait and find out more and give the benefit of the doubt, that's fine, but we haven't jumped to assumptions - we're reacting to what is plainly and clearly there. If he was having a bad day, fine, he needs to apologize. If his account was hijacked, fine and we'll all find out shortly that's the case - in the meantime, it's still fine for us to react and say that message is unacceptable.
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
::J_272004
12/30/07 3:08 PM GMT
I can't see what else he meant by it.. its there in b&w
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MY GALLERY ........... "Live one day at a time and make it a masterpiece"
&KEIFER
12/30/07 3:15 PM GMT
(*squirms in his seat, in anticipation of Bonnie's comment*)


No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be the true.

~Nathaniel Hawthorne
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 3:20 PM GMT
I didn't say he might have meant anything else.
You are not reading what I type :p


Aye Keif...and you know it's worse for the fact he always seemed a decent guy, certianly a talented artist...and now, seemingly..this.. :(

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::animaniactoo
12/30/07 3:25 PM GMT
Bonnie, if 4 people are reading you wrong, then perhaps you're not typing what you think you are. Just a thought. 8•)
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 3:28 PM GMT
I am typing clearly...I make a habbit of re-reading what I type for this very reason :)
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"Everyone has a photographic memory...some just don't have film." ~~My DA Gallery~~
&KEIFER
12/30/07 3:55 PM GMT
well .. I think this would go down as the first account to be hacked in Caedes-dot-net history ... and by a person with the same command of the English language that our fine upstanding member Hans possesses

neat trick, that
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 4:15 PM GMT
Keif sometimes you really do lower the intelligence..why can't you play nice?
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.laurengary
12/30/07 4:31 PM GMT
Arriving late to the party as always it seems ! Giving Hans the benefit of the doubt is fine, though seeing the comments in question make it exremely hard to do.

You think somebody's gallery is not quite what you like ? That's cool... you're allowed. Everyone here has a different skill level, nobody here that I know of is a professional.

You want to critique somebody ? That's cool too.... just do it in a respectful & helpful manner.

Do NOT attack viciously. And that's exactly what this was.... a cold blooded attack on another member. Telling someone to get off the site if they don't improve is unspeakablly cruel, to say the very least. And it was not done in the heat of the moment.

And it doesn't even matter that it was Mimi, who is well liked around here, that was attacked. I'd defend someone who irritates the ever lovin' crap outta me if they were attacked like this too.

You can either vote for something, vote against it, or abstain. And despite words to the contrary, an abstention is always counted as a no. I don't know about anyone else or how they see things & maybe I'm all wet here but right now that's what I'm seeing.

Which is getting away from the subject at hand, Hans's attack on MImi. It was uncalled for & he's the one who brought it into the public arena in the first place, no one else. So neither he nor anyonr else should be surprised that's been brought into another public arena for discussion. If he'd confined his comments to PMs alnoe it would have been just between he & Mimi.

But no. He did it this way in order to achieve maximum effect.... which. btw, he did.

And you'll never convince me otherwise.

Or maybe it's the flu.
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&KEIFER
12/30/07 4:33 PM GMT
my knob goes to 11
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purmusic
12/30/07 4:45 PM GMT
Simply distilled ... the situation can be summed up as in one of the above posts and it is this:

"... it’s up to us as the larger community to show zero tolerance to it in all its forms."

And that really is the final word.


Apologies can always be proffered and considered. But, that is not my place to decide on the acceptability of those words.

I was not the offended party here.

The actions that lead or led to this place are not acceptable. Period.

It's not an 'us' or 'me' versus 'them' situation Bonnie, if I may address you here ... 'cause you are one of us.

Rest assured 'we' would have your back as well in a case such as this ... and Hans' too, if the arrows had been pointed at him.

However ... he drew the bow here ... and I sincerely hope he is repentant about his words and actions. If he is who you say he is ... 'cause I don't know the man ... then he will do the right thing.
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::Shewolfe
12/30/07 4:51 PM GMT
Can anyone making comments to me go back and just reviewwhat I said :)

I'm not disagreeing with anyone's stance on his words..just that I wasn't jumping in asap. ME. That does not mean anyone else is wrong. :p

You people need chill pills.
I offered my own little opnion, out of shock that someone previously admired etc would come out with this.
I am allowed my own little opinion, yes..and no this is not a testy post either..it is my final word on my opinions which should not cause all these issues.

Now..attentioned turned to the insulter and our Mimi eh.
*Gives back the Valium she took from the Caedes tree* Be free with this ;)
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purmusic
12/30/07 5:00 PM GMT
" ... a little bit of benefit of the doubt which might be a
good thing."

Again ... whether Hans was having a really bad day ... makes little difference Bonnie.

His choice of words are simply not acceptable.

That ... is the issue here.
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purmusic
12/30/07 5:04 PM GMT
And yes ... vehemence has been expressed ... people are upset.
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
::Shewolfe
12/30/07 5:19 PM GMT
Ok, i have tried to be nice..I am allowed an opinion and have the right to voice it (as long as it does not harm anyone which mine does not) without being jumped on.
So please shove off people ><

Geez.
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::dutch_postings
12/30/07 5:20 PM GMT
Oh this has become a long thread already !
Thanks Shewolf for the link to this thread.

I have no good explainment for this behaviour.
Going through a little rough spot in life that did cause
me to drink way to much, in the weekends.
Sometimes it helped, but as can be seen clearly here,
it only makes a fool out of yourself.

Sometimes, a few wrongly taken words may start to lead its own life, specialy when not beeing sober.

The concequence of my stupid behaviour is that i will leave Caedes, i will remove my pictures when i am done writing this. There is no other way seeing i feel realy ashamed about what happend.
The threadstarter was right in bringing this matter to notice. I can only say that i am sorry for my behaviour.
Caedes is a place to have fun, and not a place to insult people, no matter what reason.

I am sorry that i have caused these troubles and make my cincere appologies for that.

I have made many friends here, and will be sorry to leave since it is a very nice world wide comunity.
And so it must remain.

I want to thank everyone here who made it a great place to stay, it just goes to show, boose is not the solution.
It only creates more troubles.

Over and out.

Hans.


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purmusic
12/30/07 5:29 PM GMT
Hans ...

Quoting from the above:

"If he is who you say he is ... 'cause I don't know the man ... then he will do the right thing."

You just did ... some words between you and Mimi ... private, as we don't need to know those ... and the matter can be put behind.


"To err is human ... to forgive is divine."

I will say thank you for being a stand up guy ... again, you did the right thing here. And it must have taken some courage.
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
::mimi
12/30/07 5:30 PM GMT
Bonnie, you have a question? Fire away.

Oh, and I don't do drugs, so I won't be taking any chill pills ,sorry :(

FYI: There has been NO contact via PM with Hans and myself nor any mud-slinging comments on his images by me AT ALL, etc. He sent a PM awhile back re: the artist spotlight to which I responded appropriately. If you doubt that, well, there are some things I cannot change :o

To everyone else..thank you all from the bottom of my heart ...you have brought tears to my eyes with your steadfast loyalty. (((group hug))) Hans might have just had a bad day or something tragic happen in his life. ....I am not going anywhere =). I am choosing to let *caedes handle the matter as he deems fit.
Thank you for your public apology Hans. That took a lot of courage.

Now, let's just let it go and let this thread die a natural, quiet death. Please? Thank you so much..if you have something else to say to me, send it via PM =)

.

We do not need anymore controversy over who is bad, who is awful, who needs to get a grip, who doesn't ? and what is good and what is wrong and what is right and who is right and who is wrong and who did what to whomever and however and what should be and what shouldn't be and whatever......whew!!!

Have an awesome New Years everyone....... ;=)
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~mimi~
::Shewolfe
12/30/07 5:46 PM GMT
No I have no questions Hans answered himself.
I didn't tel lyou mimi to take pills I told the people jumping on me for being adult about something.

WHY am I getting crap for being adult and agreeing with the whole 'this is bad shit' thing but in a more subtle way?

Thanks for making it apparent Mimi that I'm not one of this bunch...least that's how your post came accross.
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::third_eye
12/30/07 5:55 PM GMT
WHY am I getting crap for being adult

Thanks for making it apparent Mimi that I'm not one of this bunch


Do you not see the conflict of these two statements?
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
&philcUK
12/30/07 5:57 PM GMT
and thats as far as this probably needs to go.
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::third_eye
12/30/07 6:03 PM GMT
ok.agreed.
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::Shewolfe
12/30/07 6:17 PM GMT
I'd like to know why I am being flamed for having an opinion that hurts no-one.
Even when I am agreeing with the general gist of the thread.

I have done nothing wrong.
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::animaniactoo
12/30/07 7:50 PM GMT
Bonnie, if you wanted to step back and form a further opinion before posting, that's entirely your option, but there was no reason to inform everyone you were doing so.

I think that's a large part of where the flack is coming from, because by implication, everyone else is just flying off the handle (which no one really was - it was inappropriate which Hans himself has acknowledged and there were no acceptable reasons for it at all), rather than simply making it clear that we won't tolerate this behavior in our community.

That's further stated by your comment "Perhaps we should ask the poster before we start waving pictch forks." - appropriate in some situations, but probably not this one.
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
+ppigeon
12/30/07 10:57 PM GMT
Mimi asked to let this thread die. Thanks for her.
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::cynlee
01/02/08 5:07 AM GMT
This thread never should have begun!
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being. - Hermes
::third_eye
01/02/08 5:17 AM GMT
Why is that, Cindy?
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::cynlee
01/02/08 5:42 AM GMT
Because, out of respect for all loyal Caedes members, the matter should have been handled by the mods and/or Caedes in a more discreet fashion without the rest of us being privy to what really happened. Yes, Mimi was unjustly maligned and yes, Hans was hung out to dry for a grievous mistake for which he made a full apology. Tell me you know someone who has said something that hurt another person that they didn't deeply regret later. If you do, I'll show you a person with no conscience. Hans has a conscience.
I feel very bad that this unfortunate stuff is happening on an otherwise congenial and friendly website, but I don't think it is necessary to air dirty laundry on a public forum. Enough of this kind of thing and folks will leave here in droves.
From what I have seen, most of the mods have tried to be voices of reason in this matter, I just wish it had all remained undisclosed and not made into a public announcement.
Hans humiliated himself. There is no need for any of us to add to that.. Isn't that punishment enough?
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being. - Hermes
::third_eye
01/02/08 5:59 AM GMT
I can't help but wonder why you chose to speak out against this at such a late stage, or why you chose not to speak out against what was, no matter how you slice it, an abusive comment.

Criticising after the fact doesn't seem very helpful to me.

"I say "we" so this isn't just about one member, me, but a community defending one of their own, who's done so much to help. Just once, get off your butts, stop hiding, and speak up. "

I spoke up. So did others. If we hadn't, who knows if Hans would've apologized or not. That attack could've been made against any one of us.
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::cynlee
01/02/08 6:00 AM GMT
Criticizing is never helpful. I only just found out about the thread and was sorry to see it.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being. - Hermes
::cynlee
01/02/08 7:28 AM GMT
Rob, Please understand that though I would have been very unhappy to have someone leave me such a comment, my shoulders, I hope, would have been broad enough and my ego small enough to counter it with all due consideration of the possible reason(s) it was lodged in the first place and when you say defending one of 'our' own, you have to remember that Hans too was 'one of our own'. Had you a family member who did something wrong, you would certainly want to chastise them and remind them of what they did, but you wouldn't call the entire family together to launch a counter attack. You can't cajole someone into making an apology. Had Hans not apologized, we would have known what kind of person he was, but some of us know him better and are certain that he would have done the right thing once he stopped feeling so bad and distressed about what he had said to mimi.

Is that why you started the thread, to get Hans to apologize or did you do it with a sense of righteous indigination? If you wish to talk about what happened further, we can use the PM function and keep our words out of the public arena.

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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being. - Hermes
::tigger3
01/02/08 8:58 AM GMT
I have to say how sorry I am to read the above thread. Hans was one heck of a tlaented photographer who took great pride in his work. This seems so out of character for him and so very sorry he has left. It does seem like this could have been handled more privately but then I'm not involved in the jest of things. Mimi I'm sorry too it involved you as your a long time member who does alot to contribute on this site and your own work. Hans was one of those who would lend a helping hand to a friend and this truly saddens me. I can only venture to guess as to why he would be so out of character and of course the drink could have played a big factor and perhaps how a image of his own might have been rated by the index factor. Only an assumption but still deeply saddens me.
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Nature in all her glory is my uplift on life.
::third_eye
01/02/08 11:21 AM GMT
Interesting how you choose to first fully express your opinion here, along with insulting me, and then want to take this to PM's. A bit late for that.

I'll simply say that I did what I felt was the right thing to do. If you read some of the posts, others seemed to agree.

I could say more, but will refrain. Feel free to have whatever opinion of me you'd like, but exercise your own restraint in expressing it.
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::tigger3
01/02/08 11:44 AM GMT
I see that comment was not meant for me. Just a terrible situation and would have been nice to have this in the pm's. I'm sure he is very embarrassed by his out of character comment. He offered his apology and I think he was trying set an example in that apology.
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&KEIFER
01/02/08 11:46 AM GMT
did Hans take responsibility for his actions? .. or did he blame it on alcohol? ... if you drink and drive and 'cause injury' to others, does saying: "oh, but it was the alcohol" then allow you to go about your business ... alcohol only loosens one's inhibitions to speak one's mind .. it does not formulate the prose used to hurt another ... blurred vision seems not to be an issue either, as the only spelling errors are those of a nonnative English speaker

The only reason to attack Mimi, could be laid at the feet of the Artist Spotlight and Hans' impression of how that worked ... Hans was not selected for the limelight because his friends and admirers did not put his name forward in sufficient numbers ... the same reason that any other is not selected .. not a quid-pro-quo\tit-for-tat retaliation for something Mimi said or did

My Father was an alcoholic, died @ 52 ... my Brother is an alcoholic, and will be lucky to see 52 ... I know how belligerent and nasty people can get when fueled by alcohol , but it is only a key to the firing range, not the weapon fired
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purmusic
01/02/08 11:50 AM GMT
I was going to go walkabout for a bit ... need some time away ... and I am going to ... save this last bit to follow ...

Please ... let this thread go.

Thank you.
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::tigger3
01/02/08 11:59 AM GMT
I agree Les and will refrain from further comment myself.
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::Shewolfe
01/02/08 4:56 PM GMT
I agree with Cynlee.
And I would like to publically thank all those who PMed me with support :)
It is nice to see some sane, nice people remain to be honest.
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&philcUK
01/02/08 4:59 PM GMT
i've lost count of how many people have now asked if this can be laid to rest.
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