when i see things like a space shuttle i think, now that is a scientific masterpiece...when you think of america..you know your a optimist when you see this..and you know your a pessimist when you think of 'nam....i really think that we should keep trying with the space program..i mean cant we talk a few billions dollars from the weapons reasearce and put it into making a trip to the moon...or better yet a space station....that would be amazing. a space station to act as a WAY point between earth and Mars...i think that we should diffenatly go to mars. if we did we could fine out valuable info. like what went wrong? it is my hypothesis that mars was once just like earth. somthing horrible happened,and then it was reduced to the wasteland it is today. also..while this might sound wierd, i think that there was once a thriving civiliztion on mars. when mars "died" o think that they retreated to earth. some of them could have had landing mishaps. causeing them to land in strange places. but i think for the most part the landed in africa. then as time progressed they began to branch out into various parts of the earth. now im sure many of you think im crazy but i have good reason of my theory.......

an interesting theory... =)

ha! see...THIS is why I like Otaku so much! That was great Otaku! This could replace the ENTIRE argument regarding evolution/creation. ha! ; )
I'd love to hear your reasons...please...do go on.

i love this site 8^)

hehe i have so many reasons i should prolly make another post....but im too lazy right now so ill do it later

lol kevin you better post... ehehee but yes that is a very intersting theory and a good way to settle the arugement about evollution and things... yet still people will argue against you... ive already found some faults in this theory but am interestid into how you came up with it... =)

im to lazy to type it all so ill tell you at school. lol

well...that's not fair. I don't go to your school! I don't go to school at all! Find some energy in you somewhere and start typing, man!

Otaku, you should read "The Sentinel" by Arthur C Clarke. It is the short story that the film "2001: A Space Odyssey" is based on... it doesen't relate exactly to your theory but reading it made me think of the story.

lol

Tarcy: ill email it to you

Samatar: ill keep that info in mind ;)

lol type it you loser and u didnt tell me at school! hehe okay tommrow when i get to c the huge gash on ur arm right? lol

aww its not a gash..but ya it is pretty deep..its nice and not very long thou..i really think your over-eseteamating<sp?> it....but it is deep ;)

also love the new icon!

Interesting theory... I had a similar theory.

I read a book a while back about Mars... (can't remember by whom or what the name was). The authors made some interesting points. This is what I remember.

It seems propable that Mars once had an atmosphere similar to our own. A huge meteor struck the surface of Mars, decimating the atmosphere and causing fragments to disperse in space. The "proof" they gave for this theory is that Mars has a ridge caused by the impact the one side of Mars thus has more land mass than the other side. (Don't know how to describe it something like this:
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So it is possible that their could have been life on Mars. ("Mars could have been the garden of Eden... ;-) *way out theory* ).

Not to mention Cydonia (sp!).

Wish I could remember more or who the book was by.
Now if there are any truth in any of it, I don't know, but I'm a sucker for strange theories...

(Hear the one where the Moon missions were a scam?)

Crusader: Go to the "Space" gallery and have a look at the pic "Nas0007". I have left a comment there, this is based on something I saw on a show with one of those people who reckons the moon landing never happened. Interesting, no?

Stange indeed. I agree. There are loads of evidence of "faked" moon footage... depending on if you believe it or not. My personal "way out opinion" is that we did visit the moon, but found what we weren't supposed too and then they had to fake the moon footage to cover up what they found.

Have you read "The Sentinel" (mentioned above)? Everything I read on this post keeps reminding me of it...

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Sounds like we have some SFF readers in the "family". :) I highly recommend going to www.baen.com and checking out their Free Library. Lots of great SFF e-books, downloadable for free in your choice of format.

I haven't read the Sentinel, I'll see if I can get my hands on it somewhere.

Anyone heard of the Philidelphea project a.k.a. Project Rainbow. That's also quite interesting.

whoa cursader thats a awesome thery dude!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!! DUDE ME AND YOU WOULD GET A LONG JUST FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems we would! Heard of Project Rainbow a.k.a the Phoenix project?

I have ma own theories.
They include ma good pal Moses
And this far out dude i like to call Abba

Another interesting theory. It's pretty long so visit the site...
http://www.mnet.co.za/CarteBlanche/Display/Display.asp?Id=2237

Otaku...I just found this post, and I laughed because I thought of the whole theory that if you put a whole bunch of monkeys in a room together for an extended period of time with typewriters...they would produce the works of Shakespeare...I don't know who's theory that was but anyway...

I thought of that because I too had a theory extremely similar to your above post...granted there are many holes to it because I am not educated enough to fill them in...(i've only graduated from high school). But I like the one that I came up with that goes like this better: We are just a science project put here by some alien race...all of those crop circles and "abductions" are just them checking up on us to see how we're doing. Have you ever seen the movie "Mission to Mars" or "Sphere" ??? Those movies are excellent...

As for the whole "we never landed on the moon" thing. I don't buy that. The government covers up a lot of stuff, but I believe we did land on the moon. Let the disbelievers have their conspiracy theories...

Another good movie is "The Astronaut's Wife" oooh.. Johnny Depp looks soo good in that movie!! **drool** :D

Jessica you are nearly right with your "alien experiment" theory, but not quite; the truth is you are the ONLY subject in the experiment, the rest of us are just here to provide you with various stimuli and record you reactions...

hehe..thanks sam. Did you ever notice that the stars at night look just like a lot of pin holes in a piece of construction paper?

crop circles have been proven wrong...thats a bunch of bs if you ask me lol, crop circle?? i mean seriously...

I know that a bunch of kids could go out and create crop circles...but if you really think about it...during the seventies there were so many sightings of them...all over the globe...it's kind of hard to believe everyone just got the idea to go outside with their sticks and string and make very intricate patterns in their fields...i believe they weren't all just a hoax...many were...but definately not all...

Personally I think beings who have the technology to fly billions of kilometres across space must have better things to do than make pretty patterns in the grass...

people wanted attention, they wanted the world to beleive that there little joke was real (crop circles)...

but they spanned the globe...across many different countries with many different languages...I still find it very hard to believe they are just a hoax..

Also, the crop circles are probably much more than pretty patterns in the grass...Roadsigns perhaps?

I also believe the pyramids were built by/inspired by/ or designed for aliens. All of the ancient cultures have a form of pyramid in their architecture...to the gods...and many of them have alien type things in their artworks...coincidence? I think not...

The pyramid thing is pretty easily explained. Basically people wanted to build up and build high, for their own reasons, which were many and varied. The only way to do that with the material they had available (stone) was with a large base tapering upward... any other type of structure would simply collapse. Apart from this basic form the pyramids of the world are all quite different.

I'm Interested in your good reason if you dont mind telling.

wow this got really active all the sudden

Jessiac-3 you have an interesting way of looking at thinks, And as far as us landing on the moon. What puzzles me is that there was no blast greater from the Lander. And the cross hairs on the lens should be in front of an object not behind it. And the one that really got me was the flag waiving when there’s no wind on the moon. I want to believe I’ve seen too Saturn 5 lift offs. But I don’t know.

"I'm Interested in your good reason if you dont mind telling."

Not sure if you were talking to me, about the reason people built pyramids? Well I'll answer it anyway. I'm not a historian but I can give a couple of reasons: Egyptians beleived the Sun was a god, so they built their tombs high so that the dead could "travel" into the sky to the gods. The Aztecs built theirs so that their sacrifices could be displayes to their gods and also, I beleive, to the masses watching below (could be wrong there). Other cultures used pyramids as peaceful places of worship. If you look with any scrutiny at all at the pyramids of different cultures you will see that they are all quite different, the egyptian ones had smooth sidea as they weren't designed form people to walk up, others had steps leading to the top for displaying sacrifice, others had temples inside. Seems to me mankind has always had the desire to build big; it is a show of the nations power if nothing else. Once we developed better technology (ie iron girders) we stopped building pyramids as we were able to build bigger (and therefore "better") structures using these means.

Personally I think it is selling mankind short to say that we couldn't have possibly built the pyramids, that it must have been aliens. Mankind is capable of wonderful acheivements. Some people say we couldn't have built the pyramids because they themselves can't figure out how it was done, but just because the skill has been forgotten and lost doesn't mean it never existed. I remember seeing on "Antiques Roadshow" a valuer talking about Japanese antiques and he said the craftsmanship that is displayed in these peices has gone forever and cannot be matched today... that doesn't mean aliens made them. :-)

No I was talking to otaku But I really like you’re impute. I agree that mankind has been shorted a lot. We built the pyramids and I disagree strongly to the ideas of levitation and that aliens built them. We build big to impress and in the honor of a God or Gods. Plus the size of something leaves an impression of fear and wealth in the minds of people. For instance I have a few pre Inca and pre Peruvian artifacts that date back 4500 years before these cultures. And the work that it took to make them, you wouldn’t think they would have the technology to make them put they did. If any thing the aliens would wonder why .

i agree pris..the whole wind blowing the flag thing got me saying "OKAY WTF" and there are some who will say "well what about when they dropped the hammer and the feather and they fell the same speed" well my friends who this this..the same effect can be done from within a gaint vacum device. i think the whole thing was done within something like that..possibly built withint he confines of the ever-fabled "Area 51" ....call me a paranoid psycho but still i mean the evidence is right there.

But the moon doesn't have an atmosphere.

exactly! if theres no atmospher the flag could not wave, so there for they could not be on the moon.

I believe the flag they used on the moon had a rigid post along the top that it hung off.

Yes it did Sam but the front and bottom edges didn’t and in the film the lower part of the flag waved long after they let go of it. Who knows maybe it was solar winds. sure that’s it sure.

If it moved after they put it into place, then it was probably just movement after putting it up! Wind didn't need to be blowing on it...it would have moved just the same...

Yes that was my thought too. In fact it would move for longer than it would on earth (if there was no wind) because of the low gravity.

solar winds would have cooked mr.armstrong...i think

Why is that, Otaku?

because solar winds are bursts of energy from the sun. they're interact with are atmostsphere(which saves us) but it creates the aura-boreais(SP?) the moon has no atmostsphere so its mearly blasted with heat

its "Aurora Borealis"
and anyway i'm shocked that none of you have thought of the fact that since there's way less gravity on dear Luna something the small weight of a flag wouldn't hang down. and the only reason the flag would stop moving after they put it down is either by friction or by some other opposing force (like if "mr. armstrong" as you call him reached out and grabbed it to hold it still). since there was no opposing force, and considering the small amount of friction that would be present in such a thin atmosphere wouldn't slow anything between Dumbo and a speck of dust down very fast, the flag would be waving because of the movement when they put it down for a looooooooooooooooooong time.

maybe i shouldn't be shocked. this is common knowledge in my house but then my brother's in his third year studying astrophysics

(sorry @ the blank comment, my computer is being stupid. i think i need an upgrade)

So how do you explain it moving in the film well after it was set up and when no one was near it.