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::LynEve
02/21/09 1:49 PM GMT
Wouldn't it be much fairer if each image was allowed to collect an equal number of votes before being archived, rather than a specific time, which seems to vary?

My vote numbers range from 8 to 21.
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+philcUK
02/21/09 3:20 PM GMT
images are normally archived after the set period and only get the early chop if they are of a very low grade and score that is unlikely to improve or have been posted as snaps under the radar into incorrect galleries.
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::jeenie11
02/21/09 8:26 PM GMT
this is the same issue i brought up in non website issues.....just wondering. did you have many 8s and 9s in the number of votes. i think i even had a 6 votes on one. and that particular shot scored a 79. check the other "just wondering" thing.
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+Crusader
02/25/09 7:46 PM GMT
Something to remember is that the C-index of a particular image doesn't play a large role in deciding if it will be archived, so the number of votes aren't extremely important.
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::LynEve
02/26/09 1:52 AM GMT
I appreciate that they number of votes are not important in the selection process, but a total vote number of 13 will give a very different outcome to 20 votes. It works both ways - sometimes we imagine we have created a mini masterpiece with a figure in the 80/90s at 13 votes which can change dramatically when more votes are accumulated. Likewise a low scoring image can jump up. I just feel that a more balanced result would be achieved if the number was the same. Then we would know - right, this is what 20 (or whatever number) random voters thought of my image.
I have no problem with images being archived, but I do think it should be only after they have had an equal chance of being valued by the voters. Because of the randomness of the images appearing in the VB some collect many votes in a very short time and others seem to sit and languish ( or so it seems) and then get archived without being given an equal chance.
Although it may not affect the final destination of the image it would give more artist satisfaction.

Perhaps. :)
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::rp64
02/26/09 5:04 AM GMT
Caveat #1: I'm not sure how up to date the following link is.

Caveat # 2: I would never presume to speak for the mods.

this chart seems to indicate that the vast majority of images have between 14 and 18 votes. (Hold your mouse pointer at the botttom and actual numbers will appear.)

I don't disagree with your premise, but it appears, that if the chart is timely, the vast majority of images are fairly uniform in number of votes.



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::LynEve
02/26/09 10:24 AM GMT
I do not quite understand the chart Rich - does it include all images or just those currently able to be voted on ?
I was only basing my observations on my own numbers. There just seemed a wide margin between 8 and 23 (not 21 as I previously stated)- but agreed the larger number fall in the more average slots.

It does state Here that images are archived after 1 month - although some members have questioned early archiving of their images. It does not bother me one bit when or if mine get archived but it seems to matter for many, and I thought the vote numbers would be a way of addressing that.

The other Histogram statistics are worth a look also - interesting :)
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::cynlee
02/26/09 4:58 PM GMT
That's odd. I don't get any actual numbers, Rich, when I mouse over the bottom of the chart. ?? We have not arrived at the statistically more accurate number of 20 votes yet.
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&mimi
02/26/09 7:00 PM GMT
Cindy, put your mouse pointer one each blue bar individually to get the number.
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::jeenie11
02/26/09 9:45 PM GMT
can we see the votes, etc. on our own individual uploads?
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&mimi
02/27/09 1:49 AM GMT
I'm not clear on your question Jen.

Each image of yours should have the total number of votes listed in your caedes control panel. but I am pretty sure that is not what you are asking :o)
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::rp64
02/27/09 3:46 AM GMT
I'm not really arguing that 20 votes isn't the right number, it would be fine by me.

@ Lyn: You are correct, as I said in my #1 caveat I have no diea how timely that chart is. And you are correct about the other stats being equally fascinating...can put a little different spin on all the c-idex arguements that have abounded if you play with the math a little.

@Cynlee: Again, i'm not arguing against 20. As Lyn pointed out there can be major swings between 13 votes and 20 votes. But IF you accept that graph (and I know it's a big if) the average shot has between 14 and 18 votes. Not so much of a swing. For example, if after 16 votes a post is at a 70, and the next 4 all gave it a 90...it would raise the over all average to....74.

(The math: 16 votes times 70 each = 1120 total points. Add 360 (4 votes at 90 each) and arrive at a total of 1480 points. Divide by 20 for a total of...74).

Again, it makes no differnce to me, but I don't think the swing up or down would be much affected by a 4 point swing in total votes.

At Mimi...thanx for the clarification to my somewhat obtuse reference ;-)

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+purmusic
02/27/09 5:47 AM GMT
(*reads opening premise of thread ... and subsequent posts/answers to that query ...*)


Phil stated;

"images are normally archived after the set period and only get the early chop if they are of a very low grade and score that is unlikely to improve"

KJ stated;

"Something to remember is that the C-index of a particular image doesn't play a large role in deciding if it will be archived, so the number of votes aren't extremely important."


Well, I do feel somewhat better ... now knowing that my words are not the only ones not read.

/\ It's a joke, it's a joke. :oD
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::verenabloo
03/12/09 6:50 AM GMT
Where do we find where the images go that stay in the permanent gallery of caedes?
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.Genver
03/13/09 3:02 AM GMT
"Where do we find where the images go that stay in the permanent gallery of caedes?"

Are you looking for the permanent gallery? if yes then look here.
Permanent gallery.
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