Caedes

Non-art Website Issues

Discussion Board -> Non-art Website Issues -> Voting Booth abuse

Voting Booth abuse

::verenabloo
04/19/09 4:25 AM GMT
Someone made a comment to me, and I agree very much with it. Since we are having to vote for ten images before we post a photo on caedes, it is obvious that people are getting the voting over and done with. This is evidently to put any number down without even thinking about it, but just to get 'it over with' so they can post their own creations. It's a shame that's happening, but it's very apparent.There are some gorgeous things posted with very low numbers and some very "slack" things posted with high numbers. Sad this is how it is.
I'm sure there wasn't another solution to the VB being done in this manner, but it's too bad there are those who are abusing the VB in this way. And to add a personal note: to me it's so much more important to see how many have viewed our postings, and how many have uploaded them, because after all, this is a wallpaper sight, and most of the time we never ever hear from the ones using the postings for their desktop. The VB numbers aren't anywhere near as important as the other two things IMHO. I like the idea of people truly pondering over a photo and then making their critique, this is what we learn by.
0∈ [?]
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. William James

Comments

Post a Comment  -  Subscribe to this discussion
.J_272004
04/19/09 5:07 AM GMT
Verena that has been happening for a very very very very long time.. people have always just did a "quickie" vote so they can upload pics.. I wouldn't get upset over it, not much you can do unless you sit with everyone who is voting and put a timer on them... maybe a little clock timer on the side somewhere so when you full view the pic it won't let you close it until the time is up.. ;) kidding... anyway even if you did that people would still just click a number and move on..
0∈ [?]
MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
::verenabloo
04/19/09 6:09 AM GMT
Oh, I'm not at all upset over it, but it's been called to my attention from a couple new people, nice people too, and so I thought I would post a few words about it. I can take it or leave it, the VB I mean. I always appreciate the good critique and comments, I don't pay much attention to the VB numbers.
0∈ [?]
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. William James
.oksyl
04/19/09 4:24 PM GMT
Verena - you bring up an interesting comment - speeding thru the Voting Booth. I believe there is truth in your comment. My thoughts about the importance of the Voting Booth are perked by the question of "is the Voting Booth an important function of this Web Site?" and my answer to that is "Yes it is" I will not bore you with the multiple reasons I think it is, but I do like the initial response of a WOW factor score, the Voting Booth provides. So I guess the next question would be "if I think the Voting Booth is an important feature of this site, how can we utilize the speedy votes to benefit us?" I dont have an immediate answer for this, and I dont think changing the voting system will do much good, I agree with Jacqueline's comment - "people would still just click a number and move on.." How can I not pay much attention to the score if I think the Voting Booth is an important function of this site? I will probably toss and turn and eat many pounds of chocolate cake until I discover and answer. Until then how would you answer it? :)
0∈ [?]
The worst type of Photo is one that is not viewed! - Jerry
::verenabloo
04/20/09 12:40 AM GMT
I do think the voting booth is necessary. It is something people "get off on" for whatever reasons, some good some not.
But that's life. I stand by the fact that to those people who appreciate and respect critique and comments, that is the most important thing, NOT the VB. And those people are the ones that are respected and appreciated in return. We each know who they are because we know what means the most each to our own selves. Like I have said before, this is a wallpaper site, and the many views and downloads are done by the people we will most likely never hear from. But we know they have "voted" in their own way, by choosing one of our creations, and enjoying them on their desktop, that's really the ultimate of our posting in caedes.
If you think about percentage...views and downloads, even if a person got a third or (wow)half of the views being downloads, that pretty good, and that would make one feel way better then the VB. Altho yes, I do still at times check my VB scores, curiosity still gets to us all....Thanx Mr. O....... Verena
0∈ [?]
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. William James
::casechaser
04/20/09 4:58 PM GMT
I think Jerry is on to something here. I, too, think the VB is important. I take it seriously and I hope I am fair when I am in it. I think that we may be going about it somewhat wrong. If we make VB mandatory in order to post, then we will always be subjected to those who speed thru in order to post their work. How about separating the two. Make the VB totally voluntary and remove the requirement of VB in order to post. I do not think that just because someone has entered 10 grades in VB that their uploads will be improved because of that experience. I say, leave the VB to those who take it seriously and want to view and comment on the work of others and away from those who would abuse it simply for the sake of posting their work as quickly as possible.
0∈ [?]
.oksyl
04/20/09 6:28 PM GMT
Verena - I was not able to answer my own question and I offered the challenge to you. You took it and answered it. BRAVO! I gave some lame excuse that I had to eat some chocolate cake, thus implying that I am a starving artist. Well I am happy to inform you I am now a fat starving artist, after chewing thru 1/2 of a chocolate cream cake. I really dont think the other half will endow me with the wisdom to answer my own question "how can I not pay much attention to the voting Booth score?" I need to first realize that I am a Starving Artist. This means I post my art here because I am starving for attention to my art. I get this attention thru comments, downloads and the voting booth. WOW! three separate food chains to squelch my starvation. Why would anybody want to mess with that? When my work or art becomes a drain on the system, it is archived to provide incentive to go back and do better. Now there are not 3 but 4 separate SIMPLE actions to sooth my hunger for attention. The question now becomes: How can you maximize any of these without loosing the simplicity that prevents them from becoming a burden? I smell an excuse for more chocolate cake here, but I wont do that. I think that soothing satisfaction would come from the comments section, if they included something simple like :STVB (screw the voting booth) I give a 8 or 9 or whatever. No additional comments would be necessary, although I would like them, No additional administrative burdens have been placed on the site. To put it simply if you like somebodys work say so, : "STVB 9" its that simple. It allows additional imput for the artist and also allows anyone to thumb their nose at an established practice. What joy! As for answering my own question: regardless how much or little the site changes, I will most likely always pay attention to the voting booth, and I will always get frustrated if they do not vote in my favor.
0∈ [?]
The worst type of Photo is one that is not viewed! - Jerry
.oksyl
04/20/09 6:38 PM GMT
John - Thanks for your comment. They have already removed the voting booth requirement to post. All you got to do around here is speak-up, and if it is a good idea it gets accomplished :)
0∈ [?]
The worst type of Photo is one that is not viewed! - Jerry
::casechaser
04/20/09 8:14 PM GMT
Jerry, it is my understanding that they have removed VB if you do not want your work voted on, but you still must vote on 10 to have the abiltiy to upload. My position would be to eliminate that requirement. Leaving voting entirely to those who like to vote and take it away, as a requirement, for those who don't.
0∈ [?]
.oksyl
04/20/09 8:48 PM GMT
John - I would link you to the discussion page but I forgot how to do it. The following is a reprint of comments made by CAEDES . . . "I made some changes to the Upload and voting booth today. Now, if you wish for your image to appear in the voting booth and get a c-index, you will have to vote on 10 images. This goes for those in the Cadre as well. You do not have to vote on any images in order to upload an image. Your uploaded image will just not be voted on and will not get a c-index. When you view the "step #1" upload page, you will be notified if you have voted enough to allow the image to appear in the voting boot" I hope this has been some help :)
0∈ [?]
The worst type of Photo is one that is not viewed! - Jerry
::casechaser
04/20/09 9:35 PM GMT
Jerry, thank you, I did misunderstand that. As Gilda use to say on Saturday Night Live when she faced the same conclusive evidence, "Well then, never mind." ;)
0∈ [?]
::Hottrockin
04/21/09 11:00 PM GMT
Myself, I don't take the VB serious at all!! You don't have to vote to upload (unless there's a glitch in the system which I've noticed a couple times). I generally just upload a pic with no hope for a c-index and I'm happy!!

Give that a go!! YOU really care what others think?? Man, not this dude!! I post and you either like it or don't, I just don't care which way it is!!

Rock The Vote and DON'T VOTE!! Put this muther where it belongs...in the grave!!
0∈ [?]
Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Hottrockin
04/21/09 11:06 PM GMT
~sidebar~

Those of whom REALLY want honest critiques need to go Pro and hench shouldn't be postin' their stuff HERE...this is NOT the site for that. It's a simple desktop wallpaper community where YOU do what YOU do and get to feel good 'bout it!!

"Super duper sweet image", "Funtabulous flow friend", "Electrifying imagery"...yadda, yadda, yadda!! It's about feelin' good 'bout doin' good which is what you post...which is good!! Keep havin' fun!!
0∈ [?]
Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::verenabloo
04/22/09 5:17 AM GMT
That's it exactly...it's a wallpaper site, a community where we get to show off our creations..and if someone loves a posting enough to keep it and put it on their desktop, that'd be great!
If not, well, there's always someone else, and another posting.
But, yes, we DO need to vote on ten postings in order to upload, right? Or did I miss something?! I'm not posting much right now due to some unfortunate things in my life, but I'll be back soon I hope. V
0∈ [?]
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook. William James
&mimi
04/22/09 6:44 AM GMT
Verena,
If you want a c-index & votes on your image then vote, if you do not want a c-index nor votes, then no need to vote before uploading..

Hope this helps you understand the voting system
0∈ [?]
~mimi~
.J_272004
04/22/09 6:55 AM GMT
we DO need to vote on ten postings in order to upload, right

NO only if you want a c-index and people to vote on it.
0∈ [?]
MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
::fogz
04/22/09 10:12 PM GMT
My observations tell me the opposite of what you are saying Verena - I have noticed scores improving on a lot of images - and in my opinion that is because the people who post regularly and maybe did not always vote (because they didn't have to) are voting more now (because of the new rule)- and I think those votes are more likely to be viable than the votes received from less regular and non-Cadre members.
0∈ [?]
..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
=Samatar
04/23/09 6:11 AM GMT
Since the only reason you have to vote now is to receive a vote on your own images, mucking up the scores by voting randomly/thoughtlessly would seem somewhat self-defeating... In any case, I beleive there are still checks and balances built into the system to minimise the effect of this sort of behaviour.
0∈ [?]
-Everyone is entitled to my opinion- rescope.com.au
*caedes
04/25/09 4:36 PM GMT
Another big helping factor is that we are getting a lot more votes on the images in the booth. According to this graph, the median number of votes is around 22 whereas it was once closer to 15.
0∈ [?]
-caedes
::WENPEDER
05/02/09 2:44 AM GMT
I continue to like the CHANGE which makes participation in the c-index system voluntary...... I tend to agree that requiring a vote on 10 images (a clearly manageable number of images) in order to have your image voted on is more likely to draw more "careful" voting than the earlier system requiring a substantial number of votes to upload.

It just makes sense that, if I want others to take "care" in rating my images, I need to do the same in rating their images. I DO think that people tend to rush through images of TYPES they're not "into" and continue to WISH that people had the option of abstaining from voting on images that they simply don't feel comfortable rating. Wen
0∈ [?]
.J_E_F
05/13/09 1:26 PM GMT
What's not to like about getting a good c-index number ? - ahhh, I can sense sizzle of endorphins’ for a salutatory 60 plus. But the lows man; dredging a sub 20 (or in one or two, a sub 10) - ah, the agony, the shame, the self loathing ~ the embarrassment.

But let’s not get dragged down balancing the pro’s and con’s.

The true stairway to heaven is being elevated out of the 'new images' file into the “The photography gallery”.

A Shangri-La for all, safely away from the daily strife of the VB.

0∈ [?]
::Stevenn120
05/13/09 2:36 PM GMT
I am lookin at the pros an cons an have a tendancy to agree with Hottrockin. the voting system makes you or breaks you really quick,especially if you dont have a large friends list.
0∈ [?]
I am not an artist,just a photographer,I capture what I see...Camera Pentax K-10D
::verenabloo
05/13/09 3:52 PM GMT
I had pretty much changed my thinking on this initial thought...so thanx to all of you for you added comments. But I'm ok with all the VB ideas now...working good. V
0∈ [?]
Much of the beauty in life is found in people who care.

Leave a comment (registration required):

Subject: