Caedes

Non-art Website Issues

Discussion Board -> Non-art Website Issues -> "I gave you a ten in the VB!!"

"I gave you a ten in the VB!!"

+purmusic
06/14/09 7:17 AM GMT
Could someone enlighten me as to what the purpose/motivation of stating in a commentary something along these lines and others similar in vernacular vein ... serves?

Does it benefit the artist, that is the recipient of said words? (The 'how' would be good in helping me understand this behaviour.)

Or ... someone else?

(*points toward the nearest reflective surface towards the end of introducing some introspection on the part of those that proliferate such comments ...*)
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

Comments

Post a Comment  -  Subscribe to this discussion
.J_272004
06/14/09 8:01 AM GMT
could be a way of saying "hey I gave you a 10 on your pic how about returning the favour" ?????
0∈ [?]
MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
+KEIFER
06/14/09 8:38 AM GMT
it was carved on cave walls = D10F

usually surrounded by dancing characters
0∈ [?]
.•*''*• ♪ ♫ When I grow up I wanna be an old woman ♪ ♫ •*''*•.
::fogz
06/14/09 9:54 AM GMT
I think the only reason someone would say that is because they want the photographer/artist to know how good they think the image is - there is not always an ulterior motive ;)
0∈ [?]
..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
.J_272004
06/14/09 10:29 AM GMT
I was saying that "tongue in cheek" (joking) because of what happend years ago with voting..
0∈ [?]
MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
+purmusic
06/14/09 1:18 PM GMT
Ok, an exclamatory remark of praise then. As per Patti's response and my understanding of her words.


Follow-up food for thought/discourse ...

Are they, those images that receive 'the praise of 10's' ... really 10's?

Are they the most exemplary examples of whichever and whatever imagery in their respective genres or categories?

The pinnacles of their respective pixellries?

Or for that matter, do they stand head and shoulders above those images in the permanent galleries on our beloved site here?

What is the barometer being used?
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::Riverside
06/14/09 1:30 PM GMT
Myself, I don't give 10's very freely in VB. When I do, I feel the image is worthy and sometimes I let the artist know that I felt that way. The barometer I use is my own interpretation of the image.

I have had this comment in my images and I appreciate it when someone lets me know that they loved my image and rated it a 10.
0∈ [?]
Hello! I"m Martie. Please feel free to look at my gallery! LINK to My Gallery
::danika
06/14/09 5:57 PM GMT
I believe a 10 in the voting booth is something of a rarity ... I give very few 10's & never simply state it on the image page that I've done so.

To answer Les' first question ...

Are they, those images that receive 'the praise of 10's' ... really 10's?

A hard one to answer, but I do occassionally receive the comment, "I gave you a 10 in the voting booth". Myself, as the creator / artist knows exactly where the flaws of / in my image are. Hopefully someone will point them out to me & give me advice on how to correct or if there's something I overlooked ... it's pointed out to me as well. A '10' doesn't necessarily mean the image is perfect or near perfect.

So to answer Les' first question again ... simply NO ... nay!

As Patti simply stated ... I too, think it may be the voter enjoyed the image or in some way it moved them in some way for whatever reason(s).

Whenever I get the chance to visit the voting booth & I see a possible 10 ... these are the things I look for ... well, for all images that is. All images in the VB are treated equally ... to me anyways.

1. What is the artist trying to convey with the image he / she has created?

2. Does the imagery have an effect on me? Does it fill me up with emotion ... does it speak to me or move me some way or another?

3. Do my eyes lead me to the subject? Does the image captivate my attention for a length of time or not? It doesn't make any difference on the subject presented in front of me.

4. The technical aspects of the image have to be flawless or nearly flawless (composition, color / contrasts, detail, clarity, no evidence of noise, etc).

5. Lastly, since this is a desktop / wallpaper site ... is the image as a whole appealing as a desktop? Would I find myself or others as well using the image as a DT?

Do I prefer to get comments such as "I just gave you a 10" ... not really, though comments of approval & praise are nice & I greatly appreciate the support. I admit I give my share of those types of comments too (excluding "I gave you a 10"). I do prefer to get any sort of constructive criticism ... most welcome where I am concerned.

That's all for now as I have to get back to sorting my favorite web pages & bookmarks. Quite messy at the moment. Yeah, thank goodness for 'Google'.

;-P

*leaves a plate of Double Chocolate Chip Cookies*
0∈ [?]
We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give ~ Winston Churchill
+philcUK
06/14/09 7:07 PM GMT
its the usual scenario of a 10 and a zero been a worthless false positive as no image is either perfect or irredeemably bad (OK - so the second one is more likely i grant you) but seriously - anyone receiving a ten and thinking the image is worth it are fooling themselves and also stifling their future progression and/or improvement. if they are happy to ignore this factor and take it on board that are they are, indeed, perfect then all power to them in their treacle coated world but don't look at it as anything other than it is, blighted and misguided praise.
0∈ [?]
A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
+purmusic
06/14/09 7:44 PM GMT
Going to back up the truck here a tad, to that of Patti's words above.

And know, Patti ... please ... I am not singling you out for having stepped forward to offer up some words to the flip side of this particular coin. I know you are genuine in your appraisals.

Carrying on then ...

The insidious nature of these types of comments ... in my humble opinion, of course ... is that of inflating expectations on the part of the authoring artist that receives these types of comments. Generally speaking.

Especially where newer or new'ish members are concerned that don't know, or are not aware of the adjustments made in the scores handed out in the voting booth. The statistical corrections made for 'aberrant' scores, in short. So ...

It leads to, as intially stated above ... higher expectations. Which leads to disappointment/confusion ... even hostility on rare occasions ... with some, and when the dust has settled.

One only need peruse the 'Comment Request' discussion forums and other discussion forums, to find a number of threads that have at their root(s) of their posting(s), questions related to:

i) the discrepancy in expectations and then that of an adjusted score.

ii) the discrepancy between that of comments received and final score.

iii) images not ascending to the permanent galleries.


Simply stated, and paraphrasing to illustrate some of the points I am trying to make;

"This image of mine scored 80+ ... yet, was archived. Why?"

"Why did this image of mine score so low? The comments I received were all positive?"


And then, with some members ... mind you, not all ... the finger pointing begins:

'The voting system/process is flawed.'

'The decision making process for images that make the permanent galleries, is not reflective of quality ... only that of the image mod's artistic disposition on any given day.'

And ... so forth.


Backing up the truck once again, if you read Sherree's; aka danika post/reply to this thread ... she presents a well thought out approach to 'scoring'. And touches on a number of salient points that we all should consider when participating in the voting process AND then that of commenting.

In a word or phrasing; 'responsible' and accountable actions on our parts.

Surely; kind words and those of praise alone ... should meet or satisfy the ends of letting an artist know that you enjoyed their work or images.


And taking Phil's reply above into account ... if you find yourself buying into the 'hype' ... justifiable or not ... it is anathema to one's creativity and progression. On this latter note, I wholeheartedly ... agree.
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::fogz
06/14/09 11:18 PM GMT
ahhh you think too much Les! lol! ...at the end of the day everyone is unique and will express themselves as such, regardless of how others would wish them to be. I just accept that others will see, think and feel in their own unique way and respect that they will express themselves as such. Maybe I look at things too simply - but that is me - I don't over analyse anything - I look at an image - I instantly know if it moves me or if it has outstanding qualities and will let the artist know and quite often I will choose to use descriptive words like 'beautiful' 'amazing', etc., because as an individual I will always express myself how I feel, regardless of whether people think I should do things differently and live in a 'treacle coated World' ;) hmmmmm ...food for thought! :)
0∈ [?]
..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
+purmusic
06/15/09 12:23 AM GMT
" ... because as an individual I will always express myself how I feel ..."

Soooo ... Patti, do you feel like a ten today?

Or, perhaps ... a nine and a half? Maybe eight and three quarters?

:oP

(/\ Kidding, kidding.)


And, believe it or not ... I do agree with you on the freedom of expression stuff. How an image makes you feel, how it may move you, etc. ... and nothing wrong with superlatives placed in commentaries.

Just not there, when it comes to what is at the crux of this discussion, which is, as stated above in a ... er, modicum of words. :oP

... ...

... ...

Weird thought time.

Maybe 'we' all should state what 'we' would give/score an image in every comment ... every time ... and without fail ...

... ...

Nahhh ...

:oP
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::fogz
06/15/09 7:24 AM GMT
nahhh I feel like minus 5 at least lol! ..can't you tell!? ;)
0∈ [?]
..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
::third_eye
06/15/09 4:48 PM GMT
*sniffs at the smell of deja-vu upon hopping on the Gerbil Wheel*

As one who has both offered, and received the 10 spot announcement, I'm going to suggest that perhaps it has several purposes. There's the giddy, gushing "this so awesome". There's the congratulatory "good job..you got me to hand out a score I don't very often" which I've said it with a time or two.

Then, perhaps, there might be, as Les suggested, other reasons for saying you just handed out a ten. Maybe it's to encourage others to do so as well. Maybe it's to lend some degree of moral support to an artist and/or image. Misguided perhaps, but somewhat understandable. I say misguided because while yes, you're handing out the numerical equivalent of a grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup, you're stifling the growing process which is actually aided by trial and error, and the occasional failure.

In this last example, I'm going to put forth the wish that it's completely wrong, but I'd like to voice it anyway. On a few occasions, I've received the announcement that I'd either received a ten, or "very high marks in the VB". Inexplicably, after receiving this statement my score would actually drop. I'd write it off to other lower votes averaging in, but hadn't received any other votes in that time frame. If memory serves correctly, I seem to recall other members making similar discoveries. Perhaps it's paranoia in overdrive, or perhaps there's a few people with some pitiful ajendas out there.

I've given Les's original question, and subsequent suggestions some thought and in closing, I'd suggest that if one is going to vote in either extreme, be it 10 or 0, some healthy, constructive thoughts would be a good addition.

0∈ [?]
Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
.oksyl
06/15/09 5:23 PM GMT
"I gave you a 10 in the VB" means simply that I dont want to repeat all the great comments above but I think you did good work. Sometimes when the first comment is "I gave you ten" means simply you got good stuff here, and I dont feel like writing original praise. Patti has got it right on, when she said "I think the only reason someone would say that is because they want the photographer/artist to know how good they think the image is" Like the Snapple motto "the good stuff just got better"
0∈ [?]
The worst type of Photo is one that is not viewed! - Jerry
+philcUK
06/15/09 6:45 PM GMT
but if you give it a maximum score then, by definition, there is no room to get better no?
0∈ [?]
A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
::bean811
06/15/09 8:03 PM GMT
I don't think that's necessarily true, Phil. Maybe that's true literally...if you get 100/100 on a test, you literally could not have done any better, short of extra credit. However, when there's no way to give, say a 9.8, I think really really good shots do deserve a 10 and I'm not necessarily saying it's perfection. I'm saying its an A+, instead of just an A.

No image is perfect, so by that definition nobody would ever get a 10...which to me makes no sense. It's like a teacher that doesn't give out A's!
0∈ [?]
Check out my website
+purmusic
06/16/09 1:12 AM GMT
"It's like a teacher that doesn't give out A's!"

Point taken, Stephen.

And if I may ... personally?

I learned from those instructors/teachers that pushed me more. (With, of course, some praise meted out along the way.)

As I did not take their 'criticisms' negatively. Rather I saw or perceived them in the light of, and with respect to what they were ... their investments of time. And quite literally in some ways ... 'gifts' to me.


Funny, not as in 'haha funny' ... how 'we' recall those extremes of instruction. Those teachers that did not give out the proverbial 'A's' ... and those that were downright ... fail.

And not the middlin' ones or passables.

Maybe 'inspiring' is the operative word to my above words in this post, and then that of this discussion in some regards.
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
+purmusic
06/16/09 7:05 PM GMT
I want to thank everyone that posted to this discussion thread. The thoughts proffered have tempered my own ... to a degree.

That said, what are 'your' responses to the potential 'fallout' that occurs, from time to time ... and are outlined in the above examples?


And quoting meownself to cut to the gist of my protracted jibe;

"Surely; kind words and those of praise alone ... should meet or satisfy the ends of letting an artist know that you enjoyed their work or images."
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::Hottrockin
06/16/09 11:45 PM GMT
AWESOME!! I gave this thread a 10/10 in the VB...ugh, TB (thread booth)!!

"Funny, not as in 'haha funny'"... You mean funny; quere / query...how the hell you spell that anywho?

...Listen, really; don't play around with your protracted jibe!! It never works to your advantage!! K?? Feels good, yeah...but...
0∈ [?]
Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
+purmusic
06/17/09 12:31 AM GMT
"AWESOME!! I gave this thread a 10/10 in the VB...ugh, TB (thread booth)!!"

:oD

Lol, was funny ... predicable, but ... funny.

"...Listen, really; don't play around with your protracted jibe!! It never works to your advantage!! K?? Feels good, yeah...but..."

Randy, I have no problem (usually?) with dissenting opinions. However, I do feel that you are missing the points I am trying to make in initiating these types/kinds of discussions.

And it would seem, long-winded or no ... and if I ruffle some feathers along my own misguided way ... so be it.

"No one should be insulted by the truth."
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::ohpampered1
08/09/09 1:09 AM GMT
Now that I'm late to this thread....I will tell you since I have been voting, I have maybe, giving 2 or 3, 10's. I have give out only 2, 0's, on one of them I reported it due to foul languish.

When I am Voting, and an image really catches my attention, I click on that image and leave a comment, and start by saying "I was just in the VB and got to vote for your image and I just wanted to stop by and read a little bit more on the image and tell you......" and then I would go on, as to why I like the image. I don't think I have ever told anyone that I gave them a 10.
I try to do the VB first thing when I go on during the day, this way I fell I give an appropriate score to the image and not a good score because I know the artist.
I feel truth is everything, but must be done with tact. Sorry I'm late.
0∈ [?]
Come over to the dark side, we have cookies. :)
::tigger3
08/10/09 4:32 PM GMT
I'm not seeing what the big deal about telling someone I gave them a 10 is. I do not expect a return favor, just letting them know I enjoyed their image that much. Since it seems to bug some,I will refrain from doing so in the future. I'm not one to give alot of 10's by no means so think it's fair to let someone know how good their image is.


I do try to offer suggestions on overexposure problems, and the like to offer some help in a nice way when it's needed, but like to take extra notice of a truly fine image.


For now on I will just use the term I had the pleasure of voting on your image and leave it at that. Geez!

0∈ [?]
Nature in all her glory is my uplift on life and so is my love of photography. sandi ♪ ♫
::twinkel
08/10/09 6:51 PM GMT
I hardly ever give 10's (sorry), unless the picture is so so good in every way like the lighting, clearity, composition, horizon, etc. etc. and I vote before I go to the "new images" gallery, so I don't know from who the pictures are. Annnd ... if I do give a 10 I don't tell in my comment, why should I??

But I think that it is some ones choice to give a ten if he/she really like the picture and he/she think it is worth a ten..it's a free world!


Ofcourse I do admit a high C-score is nice to see, but it doesn't do anything to me. Because what's it saying to me and what can I do with it....precisely .. NOTHING!! *Well, almost nothing, it only says that you guys like my picture :oD*

I personal can do more with a constructive comment than with a ten in the VB!! *in my humble opinion that is*








0∈ [?]
Carpe Diem
joeysparadise
09/16/09 7:20 AM GMT
"it's a free world!" Perhaps not seems more like oligarchy.
0∈ [?]
~~~~~~~Photographematis de Deus Facturae ~~~~~~~~. IF I VOTE ON YOUR IMAGE YOU WILL RECEIVE A 10/10. Why? Because Every capture of life or generation of color and lines is unique and special in their own rights.
+philcUK
09/16/09 7:46 AM GMT
One means oligarchy is another mans democracy – or the other way around – nether truly exists in the modern world.

0∈ [?]
A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
+purmusic
09/16/09 11:38 AM GMT
"it's a free world!" Perhaps not seems more like oligarchy."

'Free world'.

Well, not really ... there are fixed and variable costs to running the site. Server costs, bandwidth usage ... to name the two more obvious ones.


Let alone what it costs the site to keep me in supply and well-stocked, with respect to cookies. :oP
0∈ [?]
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

Leave a comment (registration required):

Subject: