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::LynEve
07/04/10 1:26 PM GMT
I would be grateful for any input about this photo.KAYAKS
Opinions of any sort are welcome. It has been voted on 16 times so hopefully someone who voted could give me some guidelines as to why it is below average.
This is not a complaint, it is a genuine request for guidance.
Is it the composition, clarity or colours that are at fault? Is the smaller size an issue?
Just plain boring?
I chose this from several images I have recently received very low opinions on.

Just numbers . . no problems . . . no worries . . . .
Just curious really . . . . .

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::coram9
07/04/10 3:15 PM GMT
It does seem low. I would suggest that it is a small image, and would not cover most desktops. Having said that, there does not seem to be a way that that should influence the voting because the image size is not known when someone votes.

It does have a low download ratio (80:28) which is usually an indication that when people have looked at it they have not gone tot the next step and downloaded it. I find that this is common for my images that are not well liked and have low votes, so the vote and activity seem to be in agreement.

Perhaps it is a tad dark? Perhaps the subject (the kayaks) do not stand out quite enough? I am clutching at straws here to try and find a definitive reason and I can't really.

I guess it is just a random low vote, because 16 people happened not to like it much. As you say, just numbers, so ignore it. Statistically you will mostly get a spread of votes for an image like this, but sometimes you just happen to get 16 votes from people who are, presumably, kayak haters.
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+purmusic
07/04/10 9:38 PM GMT
Ok, Lyn, have to forgive me for jumping in here with a couple of quick thoughts.

One; that fallen branch. Would have moved it, simply put.

Two; your exposure.

Quoting from Steve's Digicam Reviews:

"In addition to the AF Tracking functionality, Panasonic's other iA technologies include:

Intelligent Exposure - Helps prevents photos from being under- or over-exposed by instantly analyzing the framed image and adjusting the brightness in areas that are too dark because of dim lighting, backlighting or the use of the flash. The camera will automatically adjust the brightness accordingly."

(Here is the link to the full review ... Steve's Digicams - "Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ28 Review".

I've not read it in it's entirety, however, some times 'you' can pick up a couple of hints, tips. Particularly in the "Features and Controls" section of the review.)

Carrying on ...


Not sure how this option/functionality works, maybe some additional reading is in store for you? As in, break out your manual.


That said, it appears to my eyes that your camera was fooled a tad in evaluating the proper exposure. 'Cause ...

The shadows are blocked (trunk of the tree), as well as, some other areas. Lost some details within, in short.

Almost appears that a mid-point evaluative exposure was decided upon. In that the background is not over-exposed.

Suggestion?

"Take the meter reading off a grey card."

/\ Read ittttt!!

(*shakes fist*)

:oP

What is also introduced in the above last link, is making use of Exposure Compensation. Which, your camera does have in it's option menus as a function.


Ok, creatively ... lone fallen branch aside?

Nice.

Good composition.

And the kayaks provide a couple pops of interesting colour within frame.


Being bold here, the image/photo when taken as a whole ... and in my humble opinion ... is ... again, 'nice'.

Think ... think, that is ... that this is a case of getting too much within frame.

Sure, the context is there and provided on a number of fronts ... but, in doing so ... you robbed the viewer of adding in some interpretation of their own.

And artistically, welllll ... it is a 'nice' shot. (No, I am not being facetious with the use of 'nice' here.)


How could you have kicked this one up?

Getting closer? Perhaps?

Camera position low ... just looking over the kayaks, with the same background/backdrop?

Coming around, again ... low or low'ish perspective ... from the front of the kayaks and see if there are any interesting lines that start to fill your viewfinder?

Annnnd ... stop.

/\ This allll said, without the benefit of having been there.

And that said, as you usually compose your images very well. So, am thinking you made the best of the photographic opportunity before you and at the time. :o)
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.TGuerrant
07/04/10 9:59 PM GMT
I'm not one of your voters, Lyn, but I am an admirer of your work so I took a look at Kayaks. I'd say at a glance the image hasn't performed all that well in the VB or with downloads because the composition isn't very strong.

The kayaks form kind of an undifferentiated foreground, and the trees on the near shore form an awkward barrier to the bright water and sky beyond that nonetheless pull the eye away from the kayaks.

In between is that dominating, dark tree trunk. Its shape is interesting but its lines and darkness serve to fragment the image rather than pull it together, which may not have been how it struck your eye at the scene. We can see better in mixes of light and shade than cameras can and the tree trunk may have dominated the real scene less than it does the image.

Having seen dozens of your other images, I know you have an excellent eye and a solid understanding of photographic composition. This one, for whatever reason, just didn't gel. Its neighbor in your gallery, Dinghies, by the way, has that wonderful Lyn look to it with a similar subject.

-Thierry

Update: Purmusic posted as I was writing and commends the composition. We now see why photography isn't a team sport. The shutter would never click.

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::LynEve
07/06/10 4:13 AM GMT
Thank you Chris, Les and Thierry :)
I appreciate all you have to say and you have been a great help. My knee jerk reaction of What! 27! is now gone. Of course I do not worry about numbers lol !
I now see it for what it is -and it is not well composed :)

Because Les was shaking his fist at me I did read the article about grey card metering.
Steves Digicams I am a great fan of and read his review before purchasing the FZ28 to replace my FZ7, and have read it several time since. My manuals are falling to bits with use. I even printed out whe whole of my Canon manual (the one they give you needs a magnifying glass to read) in A4 size. My family refer to it as my 'Bible"
BUT unfortunately there is a gap in communication somewhere between my reading and thinking I understand, and putting the knowledge into practice. I think it is an incurable genetic abnormality - LOL, but I will keep on practising. I tend to use my heart rather than my brain when a camera is in my hand, and I forget everything.

About the branch: I have another photo of the same scene CLICK HERE from which I have cloned out said branch just for you Les :) There is even more within the frame in that one though.
However, I like the branch in, because it was the branch that prompted me to take the photos in the first place. Poor kayaks - all bright and shiny and waiting in anticipation for some action out on the lake but the debris around them suggested they were neglected and had not been used for some time. My weird brain is most likely the only one who saw that aspect. Sometimes a personal interpretation of a scene is never seen by others. Similarily my image Against The Wind I felt sorry for the trees after years of battling are now being chopped down for firewood. Admittedly the chopped tree on the left was probably not noticed by anyone else as it is difficult to spot.

Again, my thanks to all, your thoughts and suggestions are taken on board.

:)LE

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