Is it wrong for me to browse through images and think to myself; "Garbage....garbage...garbage...garbage......ooooo....garbage....garbage..nice one....garbage...garbage....garbage.....oooo nice one.....garbage.....oh look another person found the twirl, garbage.....garbage......"

There is a fine line between art and garbage...

...props to people that can still impress me.

why do you think they are garbage? What would make them really artistic to you? Is it when someone doesn't use Photoshop that makes them more authentic of an artist to you?

It's not wrong to -think- it; just make sure you don't tell anyone.

Oops too late ;-)

cat's out of the bag ;-). i guess i am a cheater using PS on my fractals...:-( .....meh.

not wrong as an act, but cant say the same for this topic of discussion :-p

Always be honest. I showed my boyfriend a lot of abstract images from this site, and he hates nearly all of it.

I use Photoshop for everything, I even have Photoshop toilet paper to wipe my oops,I guess you get the point.hehehe

lol..classic

one mans piece of garbage is another mans terragen image. i guess it really is a case of each to his own.....

Ok...some things are better left on the hard drive, but whatever. Using photoshop filters to generate complete images is lame, if we're talking about actual art. It doesn't really take any talent or anything for that matter. If you have a little bit of time on your hands, you can figure out how to use effects/filters. I guess, I'm just a snobby, elitest, jerk-face...I guess somebody has to do it.

PS

...typed as I sit in my photoshop class...haha! =P

for me it's not as much the use of PS or whatever, but the overuse and reliance on filters...twirl, neon edge detect, etc...to make your image for you. It seems more a disservice to one's own talents than anything else.

I almost always find it useful to run whatever image I make through an image manip'er to reduce pixelation and correct other minor problems.

There must surely always be some starting point created by the user before any filtering can take place. To be sure, over zealous and ill conceived use of filters can produce some horrible results but at the end of the day - filters are there to perform creative tasks and there are many fine examples on the Caedes side of art created almost completely by filtering of some sort or another so its rather short sighted to summarily dismiss this kind of work out of hand.

very true...filters can definately be used to enhance an image under set circumstances, but merely relying on a script to resurrect an image doesn't work...I've certainly been there.

i guess its what floats your boat at any particular time and trends definitely change quite quickly here. I look back at the some of the earlier stuff in my gallery created a year ago or less and think to myself "what were you thinking of?" but they still get the odd comments here and there so i've left them for now. I'm going to try and get more into photography based art as i think it has lots more potential for me but some of the more recent pieces that I did that I really liked purely because of their raw nature - the Leaf Litter shots - went down like the proverbial lead balloon which just goes to prove the fickle nature of public taste.

maybe I should have texture mapped them onto some generic Terragen nightmare to grab peoples attention if not their imagination. or maybe i should carry on regardless doing my own thing as i see fit at the time :-)

"Using photoshop filters to generate complete images is lame, if we're talking about actual art."

Personally I certainly don't claim all my images to be "art". Actually I'm not sure I would call any of them art. They're just images that I made for fun and some of them happen to make nice wallpapers. In truth the most any of them would have taken me is an hour or two, I would hardly expect to end up with anything that belongs in the national gallery, or provoke any deep philosophical thought...

I personally think a person can use filters effectively to create an image, take an image I did called "Filter Whore" with the exception of a GeoSphere I made in Max it was pretty much all done with PS filters.

Now wait a minute here. I only use Photoshop or Corel 11 unless, I need something special. Then I may build something in Bryce. Almost every image I do including the last six where built in these too programs. Which by the way I am now learning to paint with them, only using brushes!

But I will say, I recently picked up Corel KPT collection and I can see a great future of use with it.

Come on guys, who are we to challenge a millionaire legendary graphic designer who tells us that photoshop is soooo amateur. Didn't you read, we need to be striving to impress him!!!! Oh wait, there are none of those here at caedes.net, nevermind...
""I guess, I'm just a snobby, elitest, jerk-face"
Scratch out the elitest part, and I think you may be well on your way to enlightenment.

meow.....

First of all, don't take my quotes and use them out of context (noobguy). I am not here to start anything, so shut it. Discuss the topic at hand, not me. Go troll somewhere else. I never asked you to impress me, so if you don't, who cares. Second of all, I agree with the later statements, about misused, overused and sloppy use of filters. I am not saying that PS doesn't belong in the creative process. I am saying that it is not the creative process. As for fractals, generating them in any other way than they were meant to be generated, makes them no longer a fractal. Fractals are math...not filters...also, I know computers are math based (to a certain extent,) but fractals are a specific branch of mathmatics. So making fractals in a program that isn't based on their formulas, disqualifies them from being a fractal, peroid. So submit them in the "Abstract" section. Filters may be based on an algorithm, but it generally isn't fractal in nature. That's what I say. Piss on it or agree. Have a nice day.

""Garbage....garbage...garbage...garbage......ooooo....garbage....garbage..nice one....garbage...garbage....garbage.....oooo nice one.....garbage.....oh look another person found the twirl, garbage.....garbage......"
" I am not here to start anything"
<pisses>

after reading all of this i really have to take a break from the hilarious defensive-ness of it all and ponder over milo's signature...seems more usefull of my(and many others') time. (voiced in a joking sort of way ;-) )
Smile, it makes the world comment on your funny looking smile more!
-Brad

hmm....i don't think there is a fine line between art and garbage....i think everyone has a different point of view on things and i don't think its only put up here to hear what people think about it...but for people to learn more about the individual....to be honest..i don't exactly like what i put up here...i have a portfolio to put my best works...plus im experimenting with a new program...but what i think is cool i put up here...but whatever...i think garbage is cool too..thats just me..

Lucky bastards, I cant even afford photoshop...

Find some relative at school if you arent yourself and squeeze them till they let you use them to buy it on a massive discount through Adobe's Educational License program.

Thanks, Ill try that:-)

I think art is a question, begged by those only looking for an answer. Ar to one is garbage to another. To some garbage is art. Art is a relative term used to explain peoples souls, soething that shouldn't be judged, but the world cant help but take advantage of an open wound.

Wrong? No.

Crass? Blunt? Yes.

And not terribly enlightening. Why this post? ... is the operative question.

I did follow and sleuth through a few threads and discussions and ... removing your work proves what exactly? Now, without the benefit of seeing your fractals, non-PS enhanced, how am I to compare? Wouldn't that be the 'point,' to leave a reference point or points, for the uninitiated like myself?

And here is another example of 'crassness' ... in response to Je_pense_donc 's above post ... put a bandaid on it, so it won't fester. Witty? Not particularly, cruel ... perhaps. Wrong? Yes.

Purmusic this thread was posted in January. If you check you'll notice the postee hasn't been on caedes for 2 months, and I can only assume he removed his images some time ago.

'K, thanx Samatar ... it was after seeing Je_pense_donc's resurrection of some older topics that I went looking through some of the older ones myself and, hmm, got a little caught up in and lost in some of the subject matter.

This is the last posting on his own profile:

"I have removed my gallery due to lack of interest to my several of my last submissions. Also it is a shame that most of the crap cookie cut up in Photoshop Frax Flame does better than my original works. Thanks. later.

"NOT using Photoshop to generate Fractals since 2002." (lamers) "

It was this attitude that seemed to contravene the spirit of this site more so than this discussion, that got me going and generated my initial response.

Maybe it serves a purpose to keep these older discussions, but, perhaps we have stumbled onto an idea for some housekeeping?

Yep it's wrong infidel, take a load off your brain by putting a 44 Smith & Wesson next to your cranium and pulling the phat trigger. Subjective not blind is the way forward. Nik ;-)