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Notification sent when image removed..

+purmusic
01/19/11 6:35 AM GMT
... from the Main Galleries, that is.

Some members would like to see this implemented. So.. posting the suggestion.


Subject originally discussed/brought forth ... here.
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::casechaser
01/19/11 3:19 PM GMT
I am trying, very hard, to wrap my mind around this suggestion and I am wondering if it is or is not a benefit to receive such a notification. It seems to me that it just may cause more strife than is really needed. People may not be able to accept that their "main" gallery picture is being sent home to them.

I think the notification that you have made the "main" gallery is a nice touch with positive PR behind it and thus a supportive tool for the site. But, why send out notes telling us that our pictures have been removed. It just seems to me, negative things begat more negative things!

My suggestion: always do things which produce positive results, for the indivduals and for the site. I do not think you need, or would want to, go down pathes which will only cause friction and dissent.
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=Samatar
01/19/11 10:46 PM GMT
Agreed.
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.zunazet
01/20/11 1:40 AM GMT
Agreed as well.

I think promotion to the Main galleries should be certain enough that removal is unnecessary for at least a year or two. (Would pretty much eliminate the issue. Wouldn't it?) At which point if removal is appropriate it should not upset mature people weather they are notified or not.(Mature people? Here? Is he kidding??)

I am aware the Art Council is still in testing phase and the point of it is to decrease (or eliminate?) the need for moderators to sort and promote. But in an ideal world this would be good.

Also: Notification of promotion should include an explanation or statement of the potentially temporary nature of the "showcase status" the image has received as a preventative for any hurt feelings that may otherwise occur.

Perhaps something like this would be better that the current " Your image has been promoted to the permanent galleries."

Your "image" has been chosen to be showcased in the Main Galleries as an example of some of the best of Caedes. This temporary honor is bestowed upon your "image" for an indefinite period of time. The image may be archived to your gallery at any time in the future without notice. Enjoy the spotlight while it lasts.

Edit:
I'm thinking there should be some humorous reference to "15 minutes of fame" in there some where.
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.palral
01/20/11 3:46 AM GMT
I agree with David. Or better yet, don't send out the notification until the moderators have made a final determination.
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.mxvirgil
01/20/11 7:23 AM GMT
Pardon my ignorance, but are we demoting images from the Main Galleries because of a lack of space, or that the 'new' cream of the crop is so much better than the 'old'?
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=Samatar
01/20/11 8:08 AM GMT
Nothing to do with space. The maintenance of the main galleries is an ongoing process, which we have always engaged in, and basically involves removing images that we feel no longer reflect the very best that the site has to offer (nothing to do with how old the image is or how long it has been "permed" etc).
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.quickshot
01/20/11 10:03 PM GMT
I'm sorry that I ever brought up the idea of a notification that my photos had been removed from the the Main Gallery. After thinking it through, I agree with both David ("zunazet") and Roger ("palral") that it might be more appropriate to hold off on any notification until the moderators have had their pass at the newly elevated postings. I also like what John ("casechaser") said about keeping it positive. It's very positive to hear that a posting has made it into the Main Gallery. It's, however, equally not positive to discover "that their 'main' gallery picture is being sent home to them." Simple answer in my humble opinion is to either change the verbiage of the notification or hold off until the Art Council's decision has been finalized by the moderators. And that is my 2 cents.

Dorothy
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.zunazet
01/21/11 4:02 AM GMT
Don't be sorry quickshot. If not brought up the ideas which you now agree with would not have seen the light of day and thus would never have the chance to be considered by the "management". An unhappy status quo would continue unchallenged. Change and growth would have no opportunity to occur. Thank you.
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People aren't going to remember the things you do. They're going to remember how you made people feel. Be kind, gracious, and appreciative. Dan Winters - Photographer.
::twinkel
01/21/11 5:52 PM GMT
...Notification sent when image removed...

/\ Not a good idea /\

Members are already upset with a low C-index for their pictures and if those pictures will be removed out of the main gallery....Oy...not good good to let them know that!!!

In my humble opinion, ofcourse :oD
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Carpe Diem!
::LynEve
01/22/11 2:40 AM GMT
Don't people know anyway ? ?

All they need to do is look at their caedes control and (Main) is removed if it has been culled.
If they are going to get upset about it they will be upset whether or not they are notified.

As long as they understand the reason - - and that it is not a personal thing against them there is (imho) no need to be upset, BUT I can understand, and would be miffed myself, if it were removed after a very short time - and that is why it is such a good idea for promotion notifications not to be made until the moderator selectors have made their final decisions as to suitability of nominated images.

To get a notification of promotion one day and see it has been removed the next day or within a very short time can understandably lead to hurt egos. It is like awarding someone a prize and then having it recalled.
I think it would be especially upsetting for newer members remembering that having an image elevated to Main standard is an event to be celebrated.
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+purmusic
01/22/11 3:05 AM GMT
Could always do away with the Art Council.. ... problem solved?

(*tongue nearly permeates cheek*)
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::third_eye
01/22/11 3:16 AM GMT
Anyone read "Lord of the Flies" lately?
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.zunazet
01/22/11 4:57 AM GMT
Shame on you Les!
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::LynEve
01/22/11 12:55 AM GMT
Les, I must be missing something - what is the "problem" that needs to be solved??
The AC has no connection with the removal of images, notifications regarding same or the lack thereof.
:)
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::Akeraios
01/22/11 2:14 PM GMT
Apparently images are being removed mainly because not all AC promotions are "Main" Gallery worthy. Older images are sometimes removed too, but it's mainly the more recent AC promotions.
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=Samatar
01/22/11 9:25 PM GMT
I think some of those voting on the AC might need to take some responsibility for this issue as well... perhaps if some of the choices were a bit more carefully considered the need to remove images later might be lessened?
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::third_eye
01/22/11 9:56 PM GMT
If I might, I'd like to refer to a series of newly promoted images. The "Fox..1-4" series serves as an ideal example for this situation, in terms of over promotion and removal.

I happen to like all four images, and have nothing against these shy creatures. But of the three that remain, (I see 1 was already taken down), 2 and 3 are very similar, compositionally. Either one of them could stay. 4, the close-up, is dramatically different. So, while four images wound up being originally promoted, two would've been excellent samples of the member's work.

Expanding beyond this example, I would ask my fellow members to take a quick peek at the galleries they're promoting to, not just the work of the member that they're selecting to promote.

That will go a long way towards easing the hurt feelings and misunderstandings.

Yes, I realize most of what I've said might be more suitable in the other thread regarding multiple uploads, but I've written them here to address what I think Les might be referring to as " the problem".

*feel free to move, copy, edit etc my words to fit suitability to this or other topics*
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::LynEve
01/23/11 12:12 AM GMT
Could it be clarified whether images promoted by nomination and and votes by he AC are automatically added to the Main Galleries - or is there intervention by image mods for the final selection?
Also do the image mods still peruse the New Images and make their own choices for promotion?
It is inevitable that a proportion of unsuitable images will get promotion if there are no checks made by mods, just as many suitable images are overlooked because no one has nominated them.

When the AC was first started I was under the impression it was to be as an aid for image mods in their selections - but now am not sure if this is the case. If it did work like that there would be fewer instances of images being removed after a day or two of glory, be it for whatever reason - multiple similiar promotions from the same artist, or failure to meet the standards judged by the mods to be required.
In a nutshell - Is the AC automated to promote or is there human intervention? There is obviously human intervention after promotions - perhaps this should be done before, if it is not already done.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust . . . . The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." ~ Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
=Samatar
01/23/11 2:15 AM GMT
Lyn: All images selected by the ac are immediately promoted to the main galleries. Any intervention by the mods is entirely at their discretion and must be done manually, we don't receive any extra notification of images promoted by the AC nor are the images "tagged" in any way, though we do get the same notification that I understand members of the AC get when an image is promoted.

ATM I think that the removal of a recently promoted image is a fairly rare exception; if the system were changed as some have suggested and the mods were to have the final say on every image I suspect the rate of rejection would be much higher, though if no notifications were sent I guess it wouldn't be a big issue.

I think the main reason Geri introduced the AC was so that site members would feel more involved in the site, rather than to reduce the workload of the mods, though it might have helped in that regard also.
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.Tootles
01/23/11 12:15 AM GMT
"I think the main reason Geri introduced the AC was so that site members would feel more involved in the site, rather than to reduce the workload of the mods, though it might have helped in that regard also."

That makes me less anxious about admitting I would like to see the mods take back some control, as it can't be guaranteed that members of the Art Council have a complete enough vision of how the site stands (when it comes to maintaining overall quality and variety), whereas the mods have more experience.

It seems a fair enough system to have the AC saying "all of these images would do," and for the mods (given time to consider) to say "but they are too similar -- we will pick one."

I suppose part of the problem (understandably) is that is that an AC member will act immediately... "this is a good image: I will nominate it." Whereas mods tended to work on the entire New Images gallery as it stood, having a good idea (from experience) of what was already in the main galleries... so they had time to study ALL of what was available to them, and choose. At that stage they wouldn't be saying "let's have all of these fox photos;" they would be saying "I like all of them, but this one's the best."

In any case, it's the time span of promotion that's different. An image will be promoted right away now, whereas it wasn't before. I wouldn't say this is the fault of the AC; it's just how the new system works. ;-)
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::LynEve
01/23/11 12:24 AM GMT
Sam - thanks for the clarification :)
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+purmusic
01/23/11 2:01 PM GMT
Just had a thought.. somewhat related to the discussion here.

More so, on the latter notes/points/posts.

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Have 'yous' (referencing the Art Council members here, and generally) ... considered not nominating images?

As in, 'you' don't have to ... if none jump out at you, and after having given due consideration to this stuff:

Possible categories for consideration/evaluation:

Exposure - Images should be properly exposed. All pertinent detail should be clearly visible. The image should be free of blown highlights and dark spots. Blown highlights and dark spots should not be confused with areas of white and black that are essential to an image; high key, noir, and harsh lighting contrast are acceptable, but must be executed effectively.

Color - Images should use color effectively. Images will be judged on white balance, judicious use of color, freedom from distracting color elements, etc. In the case of Black and White images, this category will be scored based on the technical expertise of the black and white conversion and the aesthetic of the tonal variations within the image.

Contrast - Images should make effective use of contrast. This includes contrast in both visual and thematic elements.

Focus and Bokeh - Images should be in focus. The focal point should be placed on the subject. Effective use of depth of field and bokeh, or artistic quality of the out of focus areas of the image will also apply to this category.

Framing and Crop - Images should be well cropped. The rule of thirds, the golden spiral, aspect ratio, and both positive and negative space will be considered. You are not limited to the 2x3 or 3x4 ratio captured by your camera.

Composition - Images should demonstrate good composition, for the purposes of scoring, this category refers to the organization of the elements within the photo. Symmetry, asymmetry, placement of images, and the effective use of foreground and background elements will be considered.

Kenesthesis - Images should exhibit an effective use of movement, either through the emulation of movement within the still image, or by the tension exhibited by stillness.

Artistry - Images should be judged on overall artistic merit.

Originality - You are encouraged to think outside the box.. or rather, ignore the box. In fact, there is no box. This aspect/factor reflects originality and innovative thinking.

Desktop/Wallpaper Suitability.

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Wondering if some members feel that they have to nominate images ... in order to retain their positions on the Art Council?
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::LynEve
01/23/11 2:18 PM GMT
As one of the ewes - Baaaa (oops sorry, yous :) ) I had never considered that failure to nominate could affect AC positions. Can we assume that it would have no bearing?
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+purmusic
01/23/11 3:09 PM GMT
Quote from this page, "Caedes Art Council" ... linked to from the front page news article; "More Art Council Changes" - by caedes 21/11/10 13:43:


"Once promoted to voting status, the Art Council member will retain the position as long as the following is true:

* Greater than 30% of their nominations are passed by the Art Council (though nominating works is not required)
* In voting, their frequency of "yes" votes is between 5% and 80%.
* Their voting is consistent with those of their fellow Art Council members (a correlation coefficient >=0.1)."
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::LynEve
01/24/11 2:04 AM GMT

"* Greater than 30% of their nominations are passed by the Art Council"

So if an AC member nominates only 2 images and they do not get accepted - then they are out?
Surely an encouragement to hedge ones bets and quickly select and nominate sure fire winners in popular categories rather than search for the unusual and more specialised images?
It has been mentioned elsewhere that there are certain types of image that are more popular - but I guess that is all part of the equation and members will nominate and vote favourably on what they prefer personally (by and large)
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust . . . . The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." ~ Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
+purmusic
01/24/11 2:29 AM GMT
"Surely an encouragement to hedge ones bets and quickly select and nominate sure fire winners in popular categories rather than search for the unusual and more specialised images?"

/\ Why?

So that one can remain on the Art Council? Is that the 'prize' now?


Self-serving behaviours, then. As opposed to that of serving the site and community of members as a whole.


If you wish to discuss this aspect/facet, Lyn ... perhaps, it is time for a new discussion thread?

Not a slam against you here, simply that of a suggestion. As I can see that there is some need for clarification in some regards (whether or not that will be forthcoming is not my decision, nor are the specifics within my purview.)


For example, does anyone understand this:

"... a correlation coefficient >=0.1."

More importantly, do 'you' (speaking generally here) need to understand it to be an effective Art Council member?

I would suggest ... no. Vote and nominate your creative conscience and let the chips fall where they may.
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::LynEve
01/24/11 5:05 AM GMT
No Les, I do not see being on the AC as a 'prize'
I see it as a responsibility - which I take seriously, and participate in to the best of my ability.
If my feeble efforts to serve the site are being seen by you as a self serving behaviour then I am wasting my time participating in this discussion. Self serving in what respect? I do NOT hedge my bets - I nominate those images (few and far between) which I consider worthy of promotion.

I will pop in to view it though - perhaps someone may respond to my query "So if an AC member nominates only 2 images and they do not get accepted - then they are out?"
I have given some opinions about the original thread title here - but yes you are correct, my last posts have moved off topic - but that was just a continuation of the way the discussion has gone.
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=Samatar
01/24/11 6:37 AM GMT
"So if an AC member nominates only 2 images and they do not get accepted - then they are out?"

Not sure where you are getting the figure of two images from, but I'd assume that Geri would probably set things up a bit better than that.
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+purmusic
01/24/11 8:02 AM GMT
"Surely an encouragement to hedge ones bets and quickly select and nominate sure fire winners in popular categories rather than search for the unusual and more specialised images?"

If some member or members were to do this, then, yes ... it is self-serving behaviour.


"I do NOT hedge my bets - I nominate those images (few and far between) which I consider worthy of promotion."

Then, why speculate?

It kind of muddies the discussion waters, would you not agree?

Or..

If you think that this might be a problem occurring or the possibility of a problem, what suggestion would you make to correct for this?
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::LynEve
01/24/11 11:16 AM GMT
Sam - I did not get the figure of 2 from anywhere - just an example. It was in relation to the 30% success requirement mentioned in the AC regulations.
I think I am misunderstanding much of this whole thread - it seemed to me that we were perhaps being asked to consider nominating fewer images and being reminded it is not necessary to nominate any at all . . I was just wondering if someone made a very low total number of nominations (e.g 2) and they were unsuccessful would that preclude that member from the AC.

Les - apologies for speculating, and I don't know why I did. Something about prevention is better than cure perhaps . . .
I have no idea if this is a problem occurring - if it were, a possible solution would be to adjust the 30% sucess rate of nominations to allow for those who make very few nominations and have been unlucky enough to pick the wrong ones. Someone who nominates the maximum number allowed is more likely to achieve the 30% than someone who nominates on rare occassions, fails, and so gets expelled. A member who had made NO nominations would have the advantage in that case as they have no percentage to achieve.

Leaves the room in search of a friendly face.. . . leaving a trail of muddy footprints . . . .
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust . . . . The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." ~ Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
+purmusic
01/24/11 2:02 PM GMT
(*comes in behind Lyn, wearing a 'smiley' face mask ... gives the floors a quick mop ... exits quietly..*)

;o)
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::cynlee
01/24/11 2:37 PM GMT
Just found this thread thanks to Les. I wonder about that 30% figure too. What is the time frame? All the time you have AC voting priveleges? How does one get back to nominating status after they fall below 30%? Have another of their own images voted into the Main gallery?

I don't agree with notification when the image is removed. In fact, maybe the AC is not such a good idea either.
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::third_eye
01/24/11 2:59 PM GMT
Is it just me, or is too much attention being paid to useless stats?

If you're on the Art Council, participate responsibly and happily. If you're not, just go about participating on the site like everyone else does.

And no Cindy, my comments in this instance, and the previous one, are hardly non-sequitorial.

Why not find something else to do (and addressing more than one person here) than splitting hairs, arguing every decision and policy on the site, and ^in general, being a pain ^in the butt.

Go write a letter to your politicians. Now that's a direction griping should be aimed at, not the people who run a place that's supposed to be about fun and leisure.

Kind of a buzz kill, you know?
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::cynlee
01/24/11 3:03 PM GMT
What the heck is your problem, Rob? Are you 'trying' to stir up a hornet's nest? If you don't like the tone or the subject of the threads, then YOU don't have to frequent them DO YOU?

Asking questions about policies and procedures or even our opinions cannot be construed as 'griping'. The threads are an open forum for discussion. We have a right AND a responsibility to know what the facts are and how the options work in order to be able to use the privileges appropriately.
I don't think your comment advances this discussion in any positive way except to expose your arrogance.
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::third_eye
01/24/11 3:18 PM GMT
My problem?

People who argue simply for the sake of arguing.

A couple of reminders. This is a forum open to all. One shouldn't have to avoid it because another is being difficult. That would be like me having to leave a bar because some inconsiderate clod won't put out their cigarette. Another thing... your use of the word "right" is misguided. We all are able to participate ( or not) because the guy who owns the site allows it.

And to re-iterate, this is supposed to be about fun and leisure. But for everyone, not just a select few.
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::cynlee
01/24/11 3:36 PM GMT
Aren't you the guy who insists that we don't comment properly and take issue with people's choices, etc. Don't say that you have never complained about anything.

You do not demonstrate how your comment is anything but non-sequitorial.

I happen to agree with you that we should be happy here and come for fun and leisure, but that doesn't mean we have to be mute dullards without any ideas that might be beneficial.

I didn't view this thread, or any of them for that matter as a place to argue for the sake of arguing. That would be a waste of time.

Sure Geri offers the site for public usage and with precocious wisdom, he allowed a forum for comment and discussion, ipso facto, a 'right' to speak.
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::third_eye
01/24/11 3:46 PM GMT
So what's next? Debating what the definition of "is" is?

I've said pretty much all I plan to. Those of you who seek to micro manage the site are making royal pains of yourselves.

Fin.
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::twinkel
01/24/11 7:06 PM GMT
Guys....Guys....*and Girls ofcourse*....this is getting out of control, everyone is thinking differently about certain things, just respect some ones meaning about those things and if you can't find yourself in that meaning, just say it decently and no pointing fingers.

*wags finger*

:oP

Carry on with the dicussion, I will keep reading it.


After all we are here to share our pictures and to learn something from eachothers comment:o)

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+purmusic
01/24/11 8:35 PM GMT
Going to interject here, with a quote from another member. That of Mikel; aka Mythmaker from that of his "Voting Zero" discussion thread;

"I don't see how knowing the mathematical mechanics of that process makes any difference, unless I don't trust the motives of the owner."


I think/feel/believe that his above words can be extrapolated upon and extend/apply to the tail end of this discussion (once it moved past centered on the notification stuff).

Instead of putting the onus on *caedes to respond to every inquiry (he is the sole person that knows the ins and outs ... 'we' don't), why not put some faith in his decisions that whatever methods/algorithms/processes he introduces to the site ... will be modified, if need be?

Find yourself on the other side of the Art Council voting fence?

I am sure that he keeps track of things more than well enough to:

i) Reasonably guarantee that the time before a final vote is rendered (/number is assigned, in the instances of the C-Index) ... is, in fact, as reasonable as possible. Meaning, enough members are garnered/selected from the potential pool towards ensuring a timely delivery as possible.

ii) Tracks that pool of nominators/voters/process in it's entirety ... and makes adjustments as needed.


So, in one week? Out the other?

'You' will be given consideration and have your opportunity to cast your votes. Provided the other criteria ... that he decides, in light of all considerations ... is met.


What I have learned since being here..

Make a suggestion (that's a good good thing) ... move on. 'You've' done your goodly Caedesian duty. If warranted, an improvement, etc. ... it will be considered/implemented.

Have a question?

Take a moment and consider the import of your inquiry. And again, ask ... then, move on. Or, perhaps, more appropriately ... be patient. No answer forthcoming?

It may be that it was simply not worth the time to respond to then and there. Or, if ever.

Chances are, some other member or members (Aediles/Senate members are included in this group, after all ... we are members of this community like you) will jump in and offer some sort of resolution via directing 'you' to where you might find the answer that you seek or provide one if it exists.


Another quote from Mikel, towards that of imparting some perspective on all of this stuff;

"After all, I'm not voting on who's going to rule my nation or anything of similar import."
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::cynlee
01/24/11 8:40 PM GMT
Yes, I admit it. I am here to argue, find fault, nit pick and micro manage the site. My secret is out.(tongue takes residence in cheek). That's in addition to posting, commenting, voting and participating in the discussions. But I don't deserve in any event, to be told what to do and where to go to do it. No one does. And if civility rules the day, then anyone is free to comment.
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::cynlee
01/24/11 9:07 PM GMT
I see you posted after I did and my comment will probably make little sense, but Mikel's words:
"I don't see how knowing the mathematical mechanics of that process makes any difference, unless I don't trust the motives of the owner"
is his own view and not necessarily that held by others. It cannot logically be implied or infered that because we have questions, we distrust Caedes.

No, we are not voting on who rules the nation. Does that imply that we should not be curious or involved in the mechanics of another smaller universe, namely Caedes.net?

We realize that you have an enormous responsibility, Les, and you and the other few mods keep this thing going and you monitor the threads. If no one wants our opinions about things or respects them when they are offered, then why ask us for them in the first place?
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::Akeraios
01/24/11 10:41 PM GMT
The message after you nominate says something to the effect that we would choose carefully because we can only nominate two a week. So I think it's reasonable to want to know how it all works so we can make more considered decisions. And the requirement that 30% of our nominations be promoted does encourage us not to venture too far out of the mainstream.
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