The 'randomness' of images in the voting booth seems a little haywire just now.
Of 18 images I just voted on 8 were by the same artist.
Two sets of 3 and one set of two from others.

16 images from 4 artists.

The next 7 images offered to me included 3 more from the artist who had 8 in the last batch !
Rather monotonous!

That must be a joke. :) 10 out of 12 belongs the same artist.

Just a thought. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that fewer people are putting their images in the voting booth.
I've had similar experiences in the voting booth, 10 or so images from the same artist and even images from 4 or 5 years ago. I look at it as a chance to get familiar with someone's work.

This is the first line from the VB:

•Images are currently picked at random from those with the fewest number of votes

Hope this helps! :)

Well, I wonder if maybe there might be a glitch because I have images that have 56 votes on them and they were posted within the last couple of days, yet I see other's images with no index yet that were posted even before mine. Sometimes I get an index within hours of posting. I am not complaining about that, but just wonder if maybe the random generator needs a little 'tweaking' or perhaps it is working smoothly and we are just not used to it's ability to randomize. Only Caedes knows for sure.

I think I might understand this now. I think the more you vote, the more votes you get on your images. That may be why you are seeing the same person's images so many times in one VB session. So get your votes in people if you want to see a quicker turn around on your indexes. If I am wrong about that, someone feel free to inform me. Thanks.

Seems too self-serving to me. I like my votes random like I like my music.

Ok I decided to get voting to allow some more of my images to get voted on - I had forgotten (or perhaps never knew) there is a 40 vote limit per day per member. I doubt I have ever reached that limit before - I am slow voter.
Some of us have the time to vote that number on a daily basis, but many do not and maybe this system will encourage members to rush through their votes to prevent their images from being dropped off the bottom of the drop down menu. Perhaps this may lead to less well considered votes by those who are intent on getting their own scores in the shortest possible time and prevent their images from being dropped.

I am not certain that is the way it works. It just seemed like a possible explanation. Right now, anything we say is just conjecture. I vote on 40 every day if I can. Sometimes I don't. It just seemed like there was a correlation, but as I said, I could be wrong about that. Anyway, after your imge receives 20 votes, statistically the result will not change much. Maybe then it drops off the list.

Well, voting more certainly made a difference - I have votes on my images and some of them have c-index numbers as well. !!

"I think the more you vote, the more votes you get on your images."

"Well, voting more certainly made a difference - I have votes on my images and some of them have c-index numbers as well. !!"

If that is the case then I think that is VERY wrong.. it's not fair on the artist if the only way they get votes on their images is if they vote in the VB (everyday or a hell of a lot)not everyone can spend a lot of time voting everyday or every other day in that matter (life happens)..

It shouldn't go off on how often or how many images you vote on in the VB it should be voted on regardless.. this just feels like the same as the same old voting way "if you vote on mine i'll vote on yours.. or those who only vote on their friends list" maybe i've taken this the wrong way.. but that's how it seems to me.. if that's the case I won't be posting anymore..

What happend to fairness to ALL artwork? seems it's got lost in the "you scratch my back i'll scratch yours"

I really hope this isn't the case as it's a great site.. but this really is the last straw for me it if is..

It may have been a coincidence in timing that triggered the increase in my numbers but taking note of *caedes reponse in this thread THIS it would certainly appear that the number of votes cast DOES have a bearing on the number of voted received.

I have had no more 'fall off' the drop down menu - in fact one has 25 votes now - still don't now if we are supposed to remove the higher scoring ones ourselves or whether that happens automatically. I would still prefer to cast an obligatory 10 votes for each image I wished to go on the VB - and that it would stay there until it gets enough votes - peferably a specific number (so that all images get the same amount) rather than be time limited.
I like voting - and I like to take my time doing it. I would like to think that other voters vote because they enjoy it, and not be hurried into voting to advantage their own images.

The fact is.. it's unfair for the artists that don't have the time to sit day in day out to vote.. the upload their images and put them in the voting booth like everyone else.. they are penalised for having a life and not being on here to vote everyday.. i'm not saying that i don't enjoy voting.. i do when i get the time to do so as i'm sure so do many other members in the same boat do..

as far as i'm concerned EVERYONE should have the same voting on images not just the ones who vote all the time.. i'm not happy about this... no.. i'm angry about this.. very unfair seems to be if you have a life and your too busy to "participate" you lose.. sucks big time.. and i really don't care if any of you don't agree.. it is what it is.. I don't care about number of votes or the stupid numbers game.. i'm just angry that it's segregated and it shouldn't be..

It is just a surmise. Even if true, no one is penalized. All images put into the VB do get an index Now all are required to vote even one image if they want their own image voted on and that helps the voting go faster. All anyone needs to get an index is 10 votes on their image. After the image receives 20 votes, that score won't change much up or down. So, even if you don't come every day, your image is still being voted on even if you only voted on a few images the day you posted. No one is segregated. We are all members of the same community. If things are to run smoothly and in a timely way, there has to be a protocol or set of rules. Caedes makes changes that he feels would benefit the site and the members fairly, but he can't possibly make everyone 100 percent happy with each change.

I'd like to add that those activities that we involve ourselves with in life depend on our circumstances and our choices. Maybe those who frequent this site more get as much out of it as they put into it. That is not a bad thing nor is it unfair.

Only took me 15 minutes to write this with my 'left' hand. lol

Ok.. so if this is all good then why this

Ok I decided to get voting to allow some more of my images to get voted on

It is just a surmise. Even if true, no one is penalized.

I'm sorry but sounds to me that it's not OK and people are being penalized.. sounds to me that to get more images voted on you must vote more.. and btw I DO know that the images in the voting booth gets votes (i've been here long enough to know that)

Maybe those who frequent this site more get as much out of it as they put into it. That is not a bad thing nor is it unfair.

So what your saying here is if you frequent the site more you get the privilege of having your work voted on more.. to me that is NOT fair.. these artists work just as hard on their work as the ones who are here all the time and have the time to do it.. what makes them so different??

and for this comment
We are all members of the same community. If things are to run smoothly and in a timely way, there has to be a protocol or set of rules. Caedes makes changes that he feels would benefit the site and the members fairly, but he can't possibly make everyone 100 percent happy with each change.

I've been here for a long time and have seen a lot of changes all of which are good and that is NOT what i'm getting at! this has nothing to do with changes.

I'm saying if people have to vote a lot to get their images voted on then it's not fair..

You know what .. just forget it.. i'm over this and i'm stupid for even having a say as it's always the same outcome..

In life we make time for the things we like and the more time we put into something (usually), the more satisfaction or rewards we derive from them whether they are abstract (in our own minds) or tangible. If we work hard, we get a raise, maybe. If we devote ourselves to a craft, we get better and better at it, maybe. It is the same here. The more you contribute, the more you take away. The system is not set up to be prejudiced against anyone, nor does it make anyone more privileged than anyone else. If you want a c:index on a post, you put a check mark in the appropriate box when uploading, If you want your index to come faster, you vote more often or whenever you can. No one is directing you on how to or when to do that. I know you know these things and I am only saying them as example or reiteration, not to insult you.

No one is stupid for speaking up or offering an opinion. And the outcome of what is the same? I don't understand what you mean there.

You said changes have been good and this is another change, which I believe you to mean is not good. I think it is a change that has merits and it is not there to punish people. It is there to use or not use as you choose. It is there 'for' you, not 'against' you. That is all I was saying.

I give up... whatever.. you obviously have no idea what i'm trying to get at and i'm not going to bang my head against a brick wall anymore.. Once again.. and for the last time I'm saying and have been quoting what you and lyneve have written here about getting more votes on your images by voting more..

i'm surprised that you seem to think that it's ok to get more voting on your images by spending hours on here voting while others are unable to do so.. but i guess it's fine because you guys obviously do have the time to do this... good luck with your art work.. hope your get the results you want..

oh and btw.. I happen to put a lot into my art work, actually have quite a lot of different genre's that I do that aren't on here and have been quite successful..

don't bother to respond.. i'm not going to waste my time reading it, got a life to live... bon voyage

I have to say that I agree with Jacqueline on this. I too do not have a lot of time to sit and vote and those that do, and like doing so should be able to vote on any image in the voting booth regardless of wether the artist responsible for it votes or not.

On a slightly different note, it seems to me that there are a lot more votes coming onto my images with a sort of 'don't care' attitude, as if people are going through the voting process without really thinking about it. It is just an impression, but I wonder if anyone else has felt a change in the voting recently?

"Ok.. so if this is all good then why this

Ok I decided to get voting to allow some more of my images to get voted on"
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Responding to Jacqueline - I did it as an experiment to see if it made any difference - and yes it did. As I pointed out in the other thread I gave a link to - because I did not vote enough 5 of my VB pictures got removed with only 4 or 5 votes, they never reached the 10 required to be indexed - even though I had voted. The votes they did get were wasted. I put them back in as suggested.

I never said and nor do I think this should be a requirement so I think you misundestood my motives.

I vote my 10 votes for each image I place in ther VB, and sometimes I vote more or vote on a few on days I do not upload, (Yes I have a life as well :) ) but apparently that was not enough to keep the images for long enough to get an index. I do not want to feel obligated to vote the maximum number, but nor do I want images dropped and the votes of those who took the time to vote on them wasted.

Even though I like getting an index score I would rather opt out of the VB if so many votes are needed. That way we can still vote as and when we want to without any pressure. But if everyone did that there would be no images to cast votes on!

My words are not directed towards any individual, but I want to say this: If all you want to do is post an image and wait for a C:score, then maybe this is not the site for you. When you join a community, the idea is that you intend to contribute to that community. If that means you can post an image for review by your peers and then disappear without giving even a little consideration to their work either through commenting or voting on their images, then what is it you hope to derive as a member?

Everything is an option here. You are even free to like the options or not. But that is how the site works. If you have all the time to create your masterpiece and upload it, then you have time to vote on a few images each time you come back to see what your C:index is. You don't have to vote in spite either just to get through the motions. Why can't we just look at each image as if it were our own and judge it accordingly? It is only what you would expect from someone voting on your image to do.

Someone suggested that having to vote was unfair to those with less time to be here. Well then, you could say it is unfair to those who are here and post all the time, because they have to vote more than the occasional posting member. This way of voting is more balanced than might be determined at first glance. To get the score, you only have to vote 'while' your image is being voted on, not all the time. That seems fair too.

Chris mentions that his votes seem to have been cast by those with a 'don't care' attitude. Just an impression, but I don't know how you can judge attitude from your c:scores. I do notice however that the trend in the voting has leaned toward mediocrity in my own images. It may very well be exactly what those images deserve though I have a different perception of my own images.
Maybe the votes of those who are careless and lackadaisical in their voting because they are begrudging the idea that they are being 'made' to vote (which is not the case) is balanced out by the votes of those who esteem my posts as I do. lol

This is a very silly discussion. There is functionally no difference with the new way the voting booth works except that it gives you more freedom of when you decide to vote. Previously, you had to vote on 10 images to get the equivalent votes on your own images. Now, you will get _at_least_ ten votes on your images (and maybe) more in exchange for voting on 10 images. You can now vote before or after you upload (previously you had to vote before), and the credit that you get for voting lasts longer now (7 days versus 24 hours previously). Also, you can put images back into the voting booth at any time (this was impossible before).

I am going to do an experiment. I will upload one image and then vote on 10 images. We will see how long it takes to get a c-index and how many votes the images finally gets. I will report back the results. Until then, let's stop this largely pointless discussion.

Deal.

Not being sure of what the change entailed elicited this thread. We were not aware that our assumptions were 'silly' since it was not explained how the change worked when it was made.

Re: Caedes' experiment:
I've only uploaded once since the change. I didn't realize how things had changed so I just voted on 10 beforehand as usual (generally the only time I vote). It had a C-index I think within 24 hours, certainly much faster than before, and finished at 23 votes (though the Control Panel says 21).
20 seems to be about the optimum number for getting a "stable" C-Index.

Thanks Geri for stepping in.. I was hoping this was the case because what was being said was pretty condescending and unfair towards other artists.. I like the idea of having a choice of voting before or after uploading..

how many times can an image be put back into the voting booth?

Ok, the results are in. The image currently has 14 votes and a c-index. That's a result of my voting on only 10 images.

There is no limit on how many times an image can be put into the voting booth.

Thanks for the explanation, but why are the indexes coming up faster than before the change?
If we will get more votes now, then something has changed. But nevermind, I'll figure it out from what you said above, maybe.

How many comma splices are we allowed to put into our interrogatives, in discussion posts, and upon editing said posts, that are passive-aggressive at their roots?

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Blame me inner imp.

He posted this before I could get him back in the basement. All good now.

:oD

riddles? How many would you allow, Les?

You should know the answer, Les - up to the number of your ellipses :-Q

32 posts later.

Perhaps the reason for the 'unrandomness' mentioned in my original observation is that the member who featured so many times in my voting session had added a large number of their images to the VB after previously not participating.

It was not an aggressive complaint - merely an observation.

Anyone concerned about their misuse of comma splices may find rules for sentence construction HERE
HTH

Okay, so I posted an image three days ago. I voted on 10 just before posting, and probably about 10 since (and removed the only other image I had in the VB). My image only has 8 votes so far. ???

And I saw an image posted today that already has a C-Index.

Both my images posted 12 hours ago have c-index, but I voted on 40 images the other day, and around 20 today. It would appear from that that the more you vote the faster you get a c-index, which seems reasonable. I suspect that it you wait long enough you will get enough votes, just that it will take longer if you do not vote so much.

As per *caedes, the amount that you vote should not be a factor in how quickly or how many votes you receive.

If anyone else is experiencing the same issue, please post here or send me a pm. If there is an issue, we'll make sure it gets to his attention.

if thats the case that's not fair as i've been saying.. not everyone can vote 10 20 40 images every day

I'm quite willing to "give" as many votes as I receive, I'm just wondering why they aren't forthcoming. It's up to 13 now, that's 5 in the last 8 hours *shrug*