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::cynlee
03/16/11 10:53 PM GMT
It seems like it's about time to see who the voters are that vote all these zeros. Then we can know why our images are considered nothing more than trash. It's time for cowardly voters to explain their motives. They are a disgrace to the site anyway. Such spitefulness is astonishing.
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::egggray
03/16/11 11:55 PM GMT
Very well said Cindy.
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::jeenie11
03/17/11 12:03 AM GMT
I'm going to include giving a 1 with this group. I'm noticing that the people who do most of the voting are my "friends". I do not think I have ever given anyone a zero, but if I thought it deserved one, I'd be glad to say why. I am doing very little uploading. Seems like a good idea. For 5 years everything has gone well. What is happening to our group these days makes me very sad.
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=Samatar
03/17/11 12:19 AM GMT
I can't really see how revealing peoples names would help, except to cause more fights and arguments.
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+purmusic
03/17/11 1:45 AM GMT
As it has all been explained many, many times before ... those zeros are most likely flagged and ignored in the calculation of C-Indexes.

The assigned scores of zero existed before ... but, once upon a time ... 'you' were not able to view them.

Now, you can.

So..


This 'problem' rests with 'your' perceptions/feelings ... and so forth.

Move on/move past this thing, there are more important things in my ever so humble opinion.


Spend the time 'you' might invest in ruminating over this ... and take some more photos/create some more works. Comment on some "Lonely Images".

Spend the time 'you' might expend in these discussions that are..not..going ... anywhere ... on more productive ventures. Creative or otherwise.


This horse is dead.. and ... buried. Stop beating on it.
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+tbob
03/17/11 5:12 AM GMT
People who vote zero dont like what a person posts thats why they vote zero.Either find out what the zero voter wants you to post and post it or post what you want and get over it.Either way "THE POSTER" is the one with the personal problem not the "ZERO" voter. Thank you and have a nice day.
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.J_272004
03/17/11 7:47 AM GMT
We've all had zero votes and I really couldn't careless who the voter was or even why for that matter, if they don't like that image fair enough you can't please everyone... I do work that I like and proud of.. getting zero's isn't going to stop me doing what I do.
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=mayne
03/17/11 10:35 AM GMT
What I don't understand is this. If the horse is buried, how can we still beat on it? Everything else makes total sense;-)
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::LynEve
03/17/11 11:55 AM GMT
"A zero should be reserved for the absolute worst, no effort image you can imagine. Some images deserve a zero, but they only appear very rarely."

The above is a quote from an esteemed Consul of this site, made in 2005.

I believe it is still true today.

If zeros are being awarded for good reason that is fine.

Only a fool would expect everyone to like all their images - and only a fool would vote zero on an image for the simple reason they personally 'don't like it'. That is not a good reason. Most likely it would be expecting too much of their mentality to be able to give reasons and that is why they prefer to remain annonymous.
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::cynlee
03/17/11 2:32 PM GMT
The zero votes may be a dead horse, but the idea of non-anonynimity is viable and worthy of consideration. It makes people more inclined to honesty instead of to cowering in the shadows.
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.Nikoneer
03/17/11 2:38 PM GMT
I've said it a number of times in the past and I still firmly believe that it is the anonymity of the web that allows some members to dump all over the "Golden Rule," and to do unto others as they would NEVER want others to do unto them. I'm sure it will never come to pass here but non-anonymity would remove that shield.
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+purmusic
03/17/11 5:46 PM GMT
" ... cowardly voters ..."

"They are a disgrace to the site anyway. Such spitefulness is astonishing."


"Only a fool would expect everyone to like all their images - and only a fool would vote zero on an image for the simple reason they personally 'don't like it'."

"Most likely it would be expecting too much of their mentality to be able to give reasons and that is why they prefer to remain annonymous."


"It makes people more inclined to honesty instead of to cowering in the shadows."



"This is a very silly discussion."

- *caedes



(*hides shovels, picks, augers, earth-moving machinery, hand trowels, any and all excavation tools..*)


!!Cred Fight!!

(*tosses a few more to the side of rationality*)
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::cynlee
03/17/11 6:09 PM GMT
So much for bridge building.

Why is this a silly discussion, Les?
I did not hear Caedes say this was a silly discussion.

I fail to understand that if zeros are 'thrown out' anyway, why they are available.

I don't think it is too much to nudge folks into being honest in their defense of a zero vote. Just not liking something is a spurios answer. People don't like all sorts of things, but if they can honestly evaluate images based on creativity, proportion, composition and the like, then we would be getting somewhere in the process of seeing our images through other eyes and improving on them.

+tbob states above: "THE POSTER" is the one with the personal problem not the "ZERO" voter.

I don't evaluate the desire to know how to genuinely improve my images through honest critique and an honest vote as a 'personal' problem. I think others would agree.

That the consistent 'zero voter' is a problem seems to be something that many find ridiculous and irritating.

The implication is that the idea I addressed is irrational and silly. I just don't view it as such.
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::egggray
03/17/11 8:10 PM GMT
I believe the people that vote zeros have a personal problem with the poster. The poster may have ticked the person off in the threads or some where else on the site.
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::coram9
03/17/11 8:28 PM GMT
It is threads like this that increasingly spoil this site for me. The repetitive and pointless arguments put forward by members who seem to fail to understand the systems on the site, despite repeatedly being told how they work, is becoming quite irritating. Perhaps we could have a -- option to vote down comments, in addition to the ++ to vote them up, so we can display our displeasure.
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::cynlee
03/17/11 8:43 PM GMT
Perhaps one needn't partake.

There is no argument that I am aware of taking place. This is a forum for expressing ideas. Perhaps those who complain the loudest about the chosen subject of the thread are among the offenders that caused the thread into existence.

I proposed a very valid suggestion. Now it is here for those with any constructive advice, comment or observation to add to it.

I know how the 'system' works. I am merely talking about modification.
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