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Tired of Photography or Wallpaper?
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Save me some - especially the mashed potatoes!
I would say that "interest" in photography is high because people naturally like to post their own pictures. But interest in this site is low because the general quality is low. So many people are posting photographs because it's easy to do, but it's not easy to be creative.
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"I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!" -- Shakespeare
Anyone can take a photograph - my single digit aged grandchildren can.
They can also create some very expressive artwork, most of which is better than their photos.
From a personal point of view I have to say I have noticed that on my rare attempts to be 'creative' in mediums other than photography the non photography creative section of this community has not exactly been beating down the doors to critique my efforts or to tell me where I went wrong. Which means my efforts are either very very bad and not worth bothering with (probably the case), or the divide is alive and well - those interested in photography gravitate towards commenting on photographers posts and those interested in other creative art direct their interest in that direction.
It has been the same since the day I joined here.
I am not saying non photographers are not willing to help when asked - they do so very willingly and generously but by and large in both camps most stay in in their own back yards .
Interest in wallpaper creation began to decline way back when the size restrictions were lifted and images of any shape or size became allowed, changing the emphasis from a specific reason to be here to a photo/image sharing site. Many of the works provided are not at all suitable as desktop wallpapers.
Once upon a time we knew if our images came anywhere near 'outstanding' Moose, because they were voted on by a large number of members. Then it became optional to vote, finally there were no votes. No consensus of opinion, no pride in knowing that the majority of voters liked an image, and no incentive to improve due to low numbers.
Possibly you are correct that images have become Dull - but looking through the first pages of New Images (not much point in looking at Main Gallery additions, they do not change very often) I see some very commendable works. Out of the last 72 uploads only 4 are non photographic. I dont know what the message is from that - are there just too many poor photographers filling the site with substandard work? I don't think so - if there were only 4 photos posted on those pages there would not be much to look at, outstanding or not.
I think I have come full circle to agree with Hannah - "So many people are posting photographs because it's easy to do, but it's not easy to be creative." I find it easy take photos, but very difficult to take good ones. I do find it very easy and enjoyable to be 'creative' in other genres but the trouble is no-one likes the results, and often that includes myself. So I don't post them any more.
I guess nothing has changed - except people are posting less, and also commenting less. We can only know our own reasons for that, and guess at the reasons of others. Unless they care to tell us.
Finally - lol - the brain inside my camera is far far too complicated for me to communicate with - but no matter how clever it is it could never produce a plate of meatloaf and mash which can also be a work of art.
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They can also create some very expressive artwork, most of which is better than their photos.
From a personal point of view I have to say I have noticed that on my rare attempts to be 'creative' in mediums other than photography the non photography creative section of this community has not exactly been beating down the doors to critique my efforts or to tell me where I went wrong. Which means my efforts are either very very bad and not worth bothering with (probably the case), or the divide is alive and well - those interested in photography gravitate towards commenting on photographers posts and those interested in other creative art direct their interest in that direction.
It has been the same since the day I joined here.
I am not saying non photographers are not willing to help when asked - they do so very willingly and generously but by and large in both camps most stay in in their own back yards .
Interest in wallpaper creation began to decline way back when the size restrictions were lifted and images of any shape or size became allowed, changing the emphasis from a specific reason to be here to a photo/image sharing site. Many of the works provided are not at all suitable as desktop wallpapers.
Once upon a time we knew if our images came anywhere near 'outstanding' Moose, because they were voted on by a large number of members. Then it became optional to vote, finally there were no votes. No consensus of opinion, no pride in knowing that the majority of voters liked an image, and no incentive to improve due to low numbers.
Possibly you are correct that images have become Dull - but looking through the first pages of New Images (not much point in looking at Main Gallery additions, they do not change very often) I see some very commendable works. Out of the last 72 uploads only 4 are non photographic. I dont know what the message is from that - are there just too many poor photographers filling the site with substandard work? I don't think so - if there were only 4 photos posted on those pages there would not be much to look at, outstanding or not.
I think I have come full circle to agree with Hannah - "So many people are posting photographs because it's easy to do, but it's not easy to be creative." I find it easy take photos, but very difficult to take good ones. I do find it very easy and enjoyable to be 'creative' in other genres but the trouble is no-one likes the results, and often that includes myself. So I don't post them any more.
I guess nothing has changed - except people are posting less, and also commenting less. We can only know our own reasons for that, and guess at the reasons of others. Unless they care to tell us.
Finally - lol - the brain inside my camera is far far too complicated for me to communicate with - but no matter how clever it is it could never produce a plate of meatloaf and mash which can also be a work of art.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
You ask for our thoughts, Moose… I agree with all the comments here so far, at least in part. There is less creativity and discussion on the site, and less reason to BE creative or to discuss… it's a vicious circle.
I do love the site, and even though I haven't had much incentive to get involved recently, I still visit in the hope that something is happening. It would be a regret of mine forever if it failed.
My attitudes and issues change over time, so I looked at my old journals… The following snippets caught my eye:
2010
A picture of a big moon appeared on the Mac, and Mum came up and said "that's weird," in an admiring way. I didn't think she would understand if I said "that's Digital Blasphemy!" so I just said "he's one of the better 3D artists." She nodded and went downstairs... leaving me to reflect how she always looked at pictures on my computers and said "that's weird!" and sometimes means "that's nice," and other times "that's nasty."
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... I’d been asked to judge in the contest, so that kept me occupied. Quite enjoyed that. I voted for 3 photos and 2 abstracts.
The results came in. None of the ones I voted for were placed. The winner was a blurry photo. I don’t think ANY abstracts were placed. Sometimes one feels so helpless... swimming upstream.
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2011
I answered a poll-discussion on Caedes, asking what we got out of the site and why we haven’t left yet. I was as honest as possible and said my reasons for being on the site have evolved: (1) wanted wallpapers and liked the fact that there was always something new to look at; (2) I learned from the site; (3) human interest — wanting to know what people think, what they like and why.
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I haven’t had the courage to put my hand up and say “it’s more important to worry about what ISN’T being voted for.” I already said we need moderators to prune the main galleries... If nobody is notified of anything till the moderators give a final 'yes' or 'no', then there will be fewer ruffled feathers. That still leaves us with the problem of pruning near-duplicates, but at least then the moderators can say, “we kept your picture A, but B was too similar.”
Les has begun a thread saying he thinks it leads to poor relations on the site when people don’t open images in full view before commenting. He said people lay themselves out creatively and are justly disappointed when the response is “drive-by commenting”.
Showed Mum my tree picture, and she said "it's weird."
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Eartly 2012
I got a fair bit of my new spider picture done (Paper Spiders) but felt depressed and disheartened and stopped early. It was because I reached a sad place in my book!
"Oh mother, mother! Well might you long to take your poor Maria with you -- there where the weary are at rest -- where there is mercy for the weak and slow! Home! home! we have none but with you!"
It was a bit much.
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SEPTEMBER 2012
I had a nightmare last night... I dreamed that Geri decided that his wallpaper site was a disaster and he should end it. So he said that he was going to gradually delete people's accounts. I logged in the very next day and found my account was already gone... there was a default page instead. I don't know what it said, but probably "you got eaten by the chihuahuas."
I wondered if I would ever be able to talk to any of that particular group of people again, and considered setting up a chat group for them, or persuading someone else to... then I woke up and realized it was just a dream! I rushed to make sure they were still out there on the internet, as I haven't visited them all week. They're there.... for now. :-)
I do love the site, and even though I haven't had much incentive to get involved recently, I still visit in the hope that something is happening. It would be a regret of mine forever if it failed.
My attitudes and issues change over time, so I looked at my old journals… The following snippets caught my eye:
2010
A picture of a big moon appeared on the Mac, and Mum came up and said "that's weird," in an admiring way. I didn't think she would understand if I said "that's Digital Blasphemy!" so I just said "he's one of the better 3D artists." She nodded and went downstairs... leaving me to reflect how she always looked at pictures on my computers and said "that's weird!" and sometimes means "that's nice," and other times "that's nasty."
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... I’d been asked to judge in the contest, so that kept me occupied. Quite enjoyed that. I voted for 3 photos and 2 abstracts.
The results came in. None of the ones I voted for were placed. The winner was a blurry photo. I don’t think ANY abstracts were placed. Sometimes one feels so helpless... swimming upstream.
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2011
I answered a poll-discussion on Caedes, asking what we got out of the site and why we haven’t left yet. I was as honest as possible and said my reasons for being on the site have evolved: (1) wanted wallpapers and liked the fact that there was always something new to look at; (2) I learned from the site; (3) human interest — wanting to know what people think, what they like and why.
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I haven’t had the courage to put my hand up and say “it’s more important to worry about what ISN’T being voted for.” I already said we need moderators to prune the main galleries... If nobody is notified of anything till the moderators give a final 'yes' or 'no', then there will be fewer ruffled feathers. That still leaves us with the problem of pruning near-duplicates, but at least then the moderators can say, “we kept your picture A, but B was too similar.”
Les has begun a thread saying he thinks it leads to poor relations on the site when people don’t open images in full view before commenting. He said people lay themselves out creatively and are justly disappointed when the response is “drive-by commenting”.
Showed Mum my tree picture, and she said "it's weird."
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Eartly 2012
I got a fair bit of my new spider picture done (Paper Spiders) but felt depressed and disheartened and stopped early. It was because I reached a sad place in my book!
"Oh mother, mother! Well might you long to take your poor Maria with you -- there where the weary are at rest -- where there is mercy for the weak and slow! Home! home! we have none but with you!"
It was a bit much.
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SEPTEMBER 2012
I had a nightmare last night... I dreamed that Geri decided that his wallpaper site was a disaster and he should end it. So he said that he was going to gradually delete people's accounts. I logged in the very next day and found my account was already gone... there was a default page instead. I don't know what it said, but probably "you got eaten by the chihuahuas."
I wondered if I would ever be able to talk to any of that particular group of people again, and considered setting up a chat group for them, or persuading someone else to... then I woke up and realized it was just a dream! I rushed to make sure they were still out there on the internet, as I haven't visited them all week. They're there.... for now. :-)
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P.S. One thing I noticed from my journal entries is that I always got interested every time I was invited to do something specific here, like judge or vote. :-)
If we are looking for replacements for the voting booth / nominating procedure, I would like to keep this suggestion in view: Comparison Booth?
It seems to be an old idea that resurfaces now and then... but it would be something new for us all to try.
If we are looking for replacements for the voting booth / nominating procedure, I would like to keep this suggestion in view: Comparison Booth?
It seems to be an old idea that resurfaces now and then... but it would be something new for us all to try.
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If anyone has any initiatives they want to put into place to get more activity going around the place, I am always open to ideas.
By that I mean initiatives that people can run themselves, either as individuals or as a group, rather than suggestions for how the site can be reprogrammed, voting booths can be changed etc... those things are not within my control.
(maybe look up the old "guess the artist" stuff that I used to run, with help from other non-mod members, from time to time. Note that I was a "normal" member myself when I started these, so it shows that you don't need any extraordinary abilities to start something that might encourage more activity on the site).
Other than that, all I will say is that if people just sit back and wait for someone else to "fix" things and make the site more active, you're probably going to be disappointed.
By that I mean initiatives that people can run themselves, either as individuals or as a group, rather than suggestions for how the site can be reprogrammed, voting booths can be changed etc... those things are not within my control.
(maybe look up the old "guess the artist" stuff that I used to run, with help from other non-mod members, from time to time. Note that I was a "normal" member myself when I started these, so it shows that you don't need any extraordinary abilities to start something that might encourage more activity on the site).
Other than that, all I will say is that if people just sit back and wait for someone else to "fix" things and make the site more active, you're probably going to be disappointed.
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
Guess the Artist looks interesting but can not fathom how it works or how it could be run by a 'normal' member. Perhaps you may be kind enough to start it up again or explain how it works.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
I tried it for myself... looked at the first page of New Images (without having seen my Friends' list)... and I could only guess one. :-)
That said, I recognized five styles on the first page of the Main Gallery... and there was a sixth that I would have said was one of two photographers, but I guessed the wrong one.
That said, I recognized five styles on the first page of the Main Gallery... and there was a sixth that I would have said was one of two photographers, but I guessed the wrong one.
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May I make a suggestion. go to the main galleries and arrange them in date order, then jump to page 885 (from about 2003) and look through them in reverse order. I don't expect anyone to look at all of them. The point is to compare the quality and diversity of the artwork from this time to now.
People bemoan that the main gallery doesn't change much. Has anyone thought that this might just reflect the very limited postings that we, the artists, present to the site. The New Gallery is full of the sort of pictures that anyone with a half decent camera can take. Some are not even taken with a half decent camera and quite frankly should not even be put on a site like this.
Early images in the main gallery reflect a strong artistic, as distinct from a mostly photographic, input to the site. Lots of CGI, manipulations, and other media. Artists that post at present in anything other than photography can probably be counted on a single hand. As photographers, and I include myself in this, we lack artistry. If you want to see some examples of artistic photography go to 1x.com.
The site lost diversity and lost its soul for a variety of reasons that are best left sleeping and has resulted in it being dominated by photographers It would do well to have an injection of non-photographic blood back into it.
Enough said. Now some suggestions.
1. alter the competition rate so that non photographers get longer to produce artwork. Anyone who does CGI knows that 10 days is not very long to conceive and produce a piece of original work, especially if you are not retired.
2. Invite some previous artists back, if they have their email of contact details. write to them, say you enjoyed their work and how nice it would be to see them back again. I have tried this myself and not always successfully, but at least I tried.
3. Perhaps allow the moderators to suggest competition titles, as us members do come up with some rather boring ideas.
I realise that two of these suggestions might be difficult as they will require some change to the site's codebase, but they should be easy.
People bemoan that the main gallery doesn't change much. Has anyone thought that this might just reflect the very limited postings that we, the artists, present to the site. The New Gallery is full of the sort of pictures that anyone with a half decent camera can take. Some are not even taken with a half decent camera and quite frankly should not even be put on a site like this.
Early images in the main gallery reflect a strong artistic, as distinct from a mostly photographic, input to the site. Lots of CGI, manipulations, and other media. Artists that post at present in anything other than photography can probably be counted on a single hand. As photographers, and I include myself in this, we lack artistry. If you want to see some examples of artistic photography go to 1x.com.
The site lost diversity and lost its soul for a variety of reasons that are best left sleeping and has resulted in it being dominated by photographers It would do well to have an injection of non-photographic blood back into it.
Enough said. Now some suggestions.
1. alter the competition rate so that non photographers get longer to produce artwork. Anyone who does CGI knows that 10 days is not very long to conceive and produce a piece of original work, especially if you are not retired.
2. Invite some previous artists back, if they have their email of contact details. write to them, say you enjoyed their work and how nice it would be to see them back again. I have tried this myself and not always successfully, but at least I tried.
3. Perhaps allow the moderators to suggest competition titles, as us members do come up with some rather boring ideas.
I realise that two of these suggestions might be difficult as they will require some change to the site's codebase, but they should be easy.
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"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs." Ansel Adams - Gallery - follow me on Twitter.
"Guess the artist" - I sent PM's to various artists asking them to come up with an image that I would upload on their behalf, then started a thread asking members to try and guess which image was done by whom. Over time it developed into a bit of a treasure hunt to find clues scattered through the site, interpret images which contained hints as to the artist names etc. The only thing I did when I started this which might now be seen as dodgy was to create another user name ("guesshteartist") but obviously it was never used to upload my own stuff so i never saw an issue with that, even after the "multiple account rule" was introduced. In the later versions I did asks mods for help to upload all the images at once, rather than only being able to upload one a day; I also gave other people access to the "guesstheartist" account so they could run the contests, which spiced things up a little, and helped confuse people as to the mystery persons identity. But none of it really required intervention by Geri or anyone else... just a bit of fun... some people really got into it while others carried on as normal.
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I think it would do a lot of the photographers good to learn another medium, at least the basics. Maybe try some tutorials and post their results - there are plenty of them out there. Maybe there could be a contest following someone's tutorial and voting on the best results.
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"I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!" -- Shakespeare
Coram: re your remarks about non-photography artists - yes an injection of non-photographic blood would be good. I have always thought separate contests would encourage this but that idea has always been resisted. Trying to compare different genres in contests is something I have always found difficult and many of the subjects do not favour non-photo entries. Like comparing apples with oranges. There is always a temptation to include a minority image in votes although it may not fulfil the subject matter as well as some of the more prolific photography entries. Other times there is no doubt they are deserving place-getters, but there are always fewer of them.
Efforts to encourage previous artists back I believe has been attempted by others as well.
I assume the moderators already have the ability to suggest competition topics along with everyone else. Often a topic is suggested which brings cries of 'We already had that one". So what, so long as it was reasonably far in the past what harm is there in repeating it? I once suggested the winner of each contest could name the next contest, either themselves or chosen from suggestions but that went down like a lead balloon as well. Nothing to stop two contests being run at the same time - poll subject and a mod chosen subject. Or three or four. . .
Half decent cameras - well, not everyone has or can afford top of the range ones and it is what is behind the camera that produces good work. Take a look at these photos from phone cameras (although it has to be said some phone cameras are pretty good) and it will be seen that the equipment is secondary to imagination and talent Click here
The judge of these contests is Jocelen Janon, one of my favourite NZ photographers. Take a look at his splendid work here http://www.jocelenjanon.com/
"People bemoan that the main gallery doesn't change much." Yup, I did, and yes maybe the overall quality has deteriorated but there are still some deserving images that are not promoted. Take a look at your own gallery as a random example. 4 from your past 60 images spanning 5 months are promoted - there are others there that would well represent the site.
I did take a look back at Main Gallery page 885. One thing I noticed is the number of names of artists who are no longer active on the site. Also noticeable is that the comments (with a few exceptions) are no more in- depth than today's efforts. There were still plenty of 'lovely shot' messages.
Sam: Thanks for the explanation. It would seem you are in an ideal situation to re-start 'Guess the artist' especially if you still have your alternate account. You are in a position to upload a group of images together :) It could be a bit difficult under current rules for a 'normal' member to get it going.
(. . . .Thinking . . . what is the opposite of 'normal' . . . sorry, could not resist that.)
I think it would be interesting and would also encourage us to look further than our own comfort zone for clues.
Hannah: Maybe - maybe not. Many photographers would not be in the slightest bit interested in learning another medium. Some have all their time taken up tramping round the country lugging equipment with them and then spending hours editing. (not me, I am a lazy photographer. Personally I have tried other things - and DAZ nearly sent me to the funny farm) I think it is a fallacy that most do not appreciate the talents of those who work in different media anyway. I do like your idea of a contest following a tutorial though - and that could also work for a photo editing contest.
Efforts to encourage previous artists back I believe has been attempted by others as well.
I assume the moderators already have the ability to suggest competition topics along with everyone else. Often a topic is suggested which brings cries of 'We already had that one". So what, so long as it was reasonably far in the past what harm is there in repeating it? I once suggested the winner of each contest could name the next contest, either themselves or chosen from suggestions but that went down like a lead balloon as well. Nothing to stop two contests being run at the same time - poll subject and a mod chosen subject. Or three or four. . .
Half decent cameras - well, not everyone has or can afford top of the range ones and it is what is behind the camera that produces good work. Take a look at these photos from phone cameras (although it has to be said some phone cameras are pretty good) and it will be seen that the equipment is secondary to imagination and talent Click here
The judge of these contests is Jocelen Janon, one of my favourite NZ photographers. Take a look at his splendid work here http://www.jocelenjanon.com/
"People bemoan that the main gallery doesn't change much." Yup, I did, and yes maybe the overall quality has deteriorated but there are still some deserving images that are not promoted. Take a look at your own gallery as a random example. 4 from your past 60 images spanning 5 months are promoted - there are others there that would well represent the site.
I did take a look back at Main Gallery page 885. One thing I noticed is the number of names of artists who are no longer active on the site. Also noticeable is that the comments (with a few exceptions) are no more in- depth than today's efforts. There were still plenty of 'lovely shot' messages.
Sam: Thanks for the explanation. It would seem you are in an ideal situation to re-start 'Guess the artist' especially if you still have your alternate account. You are in a position to upload a group of images together :) It could be a bit difficult under current rules for a 'normal' member to get it going.
(. . . .Thinking . . . what is the opposite of 'normal' . . . sorry, could not resist that.)
I think it would be interesting and would also encourage us to look further than our own comfort zone for clues.
Hannah: Maybe - maybe not. Many photographers would not be in the slightest bit interested in learning another medium. Some have all their time taken up tramping round the country lugging equipment with them and then spending hours editing. (not me, I am a lazy photographer. Personally I have tried other things - and DAZ nearly sent me to the funny farm) I think it is a fallacy that most do not appreciate the talents of those who work in different media anyway. I do like your idea of a contest following a tutorial though - and that could also work for a photo editing contest.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
"Hannah: Maybe - maybe not. Many photographers would not be in the slightest bit interested in learning another medium."
Exactly my point. Branching out would make them better artists, even better photographers. But they don't care. That's why this site is going down hill.
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"I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!" -- Shakespeare
"Branching out would make them better artists, even better photographers. But they don't care. That's why this site is going down hill."
Strong words!
Likewise there could be many CGI artists who would not be bothered to invest in a camera,lenses, editing software and join a camera club. Lumping caedes photographers into a 'they dont care' basket and blaming them for the deterioration of a whole site is unfair and a bit insulting.
Strong words!
Likewise there could be many CGI artists who would not be bothered to invest in a camera,lenses, editing software and join a camera club. Lumping caedes photographers into a 'they dont care' basket and blaming them for the deterioration of a whole site is unfair and a bit insulting.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
I doubt there are many CG artists that haven't done something with photography. I think many artists start there before they branch out - as I did. And I'm not talking about spending money or learning a complicated CG program. There's lots more that can be done with a "photo-editing" program - especially if it's Photoshop. Or forget the computer and try drawing.
A tendency to get offended is another characteristic of this site, which is certainly not going to do anything towards solving the problem. I don't expect the old members to come back. The only way it's going to improve is if the current members put effort into improving their own work.
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"I would challenge you to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!" -- Shakespeare
Ok - I have an ancient version of Photoshop (can not afford a later version) so instead of revealing my characteristic of being offended I shall go off and make an effort to improve my own work, which is actually what I have been doing for the past 6 years.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
:) Just proves that some members give 'cred'ence to the comments of a member who joined at 14.35 and left a single comment at 14.36.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Let me try to understand what is being put forth in the above discussion. Should we believe that to be a great painter, one also has to have lessons in sculpture or jewelry making and that is why photographers need to take Chinese brush painting or lessons in gouache and watercolor to be able to improve their work?
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Re: "I believe that tft is none other than our infamous 'Mike'." Tis' probably true of tinylittledot as well.
And while I would certainly agree with "...high time everyone gets over it and try to figure out ways to make the place more productive" I would suggest the writer of that comment practise what he preaches.
And while I would certainly agree with "...high time everyone gets over it and try to figure out ways to make the place more productive" I would suggest the writer of that comment practise what he preaches.
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Ok, now that is not true. And I am addressing tinylittledot. There used to be many CG artists here, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, that was how the site started.
There were and are many reasons for why people have left the site. Photographers did not drive them off. That is absurd. I have posted quite a few fractals and some original drawings in my sojourn here. While I had fun with them, fractal art and CG is not my forte, though I think I could learn some good stuff from CG advocates as I watched the things my daughter did while earning her Graphic Arts degree. In truth, the field intimidates me. I am more comfortable with photography and am perfectly capable of appreciating someone else's abilities to create fractals, paintings, graphic art productions and the like as are lots of others on the site whose forte is photography or those who have an affinity for photography and are here to express that creative need, benefit from the works of others and enjoy the art that is posted for all to view and perhaps enjoy.
There is no sense to pointing fingers at those of one particular genre affinity or another. We can do this together and have until someone comes along and says, oh the CG artists and the fractalists have been chased away by the photographers. That is simply not true.
So, get a grip. If you want to post CG, fractals, etc., then do so and I am sure that it is as much appreciated as any other type of artwork that is put forward for comment and sharing.
There were and are many reasons for why people have left the site. Photographers did not drive them off. That is absurd. I have posted quite a few fractals and some original drawings in my sojourn here. While I had fun with them, fractal art and CG is not my forte, though I think I could learn some good stuff from CG advocates as I watched the things my daughter did while earning her Graphic Arts degree. In truth, the field intimidates me. I am more comfortable with photography and am perfectly capable of appreciating someone else's abilities to create fractals, paintings, graphic art productions and the like as are lots of others on the site whose forte is photography or those who have an affinity for photography and are here to express that creative need, benefit from the works of others and enjoy the art that is posted for all to view and perhaps enjoy.
There is no sense to pointing fingers at those of one particular genre affinity or another. We can do this together and have until someone comes along and says, oh the CG artists and the fractalists have been chased away by the photographers. That is simply not true.
So, get a grip. If you want to post CG, fractals, etc., then do so and I am sure that it is as much appreciated as any other type of artwork that is put forward for comment and sharing.
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Which 'dumbshit' would that be now, because there seems to be several of them...mindmelt, LOL2112, WTF1, ue1d24qoXS, 171sqa1AnV just to name a few...is having a dozen or more usernames, pointing fingers at others on these discussion boards, and never offering any worthwhile ideas by any of your various personas your idea of making the place more productive?
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I never called you a d---. Is that just your impression of yourself? I can think of no one who has ever refused to help me with a problem or a technique or any other good advice in the six years I have been on site.
I feel like you are carrying a chip on your shoulder because you think you deserve more than you are getting. All I can say about that is that you get what you give.
Come out of the shadows and pick a user name that you can stick with. You cannot hide behind a user name because we all know it's you, Mike, from the tenor of the comment or the words you choose.
Don't know if you are still a mod, but it doesn't matter. If you want to be part of what is going on and respected for your helpful ideas then tone down the rhetoric and explain yourself in a calmer manner and we will listen.
I feel like you are carrying a chip on your shoulder because you think you deserve more than you are getting. All I can say about that is that you get what you give.
Come out of the shadows and pick a user name that you can stick with. You cannot hide behind a user name because we all know it's you, Mike, from the tenor of the comment or the words you choose.
Don't know if you are still a mod, but it doesn't matter. If you want to be part of what is going on and respected for your helpful ideas then tone down the rhetoric and explain yourself in a calmer manner and we will listen.
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I'm glad to hear that Mike, I really am but I think it's safe to say there are plenty of others on the site who have also 'spent a good deal of time helping people here' so don't be so quick to assume most of us are just 'takers'.
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"I would be willing to bet my left nut that if the guy has to start carrying the place on his shoulders he might just pull the plug...I would if it was me".
I am a little baffled by that statement, Mike; not about the betting part, but about Geri not carrying the place on his shoulders. I thought he was, but if that is not the case, then what is the status of 'this place'. You seem to know something, but are speaking cryptically. I am sure we would all like to know what you meant when you said that, please.
I am a little baffled by that statement, Mike; not about the betting part, but about Geri not carrying the place on his shoulders. I thought he was, but if that is not the case, then what is the status of 'this place'. You seem to know something, but are speaking cryptically. I am sure we would all like to know what you meant when you said that, please.
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I noticed that over time, there are always new pictures posted. Sometimes not as many as years ago, and sometimes more than years ago. So I think I am safe to assume that interest in Photography, is strong.
I then look at the comments and discussion activity, and have noticed a decline. Does this mean that photographers have nothing to say. Are they arrogant and only comment on their favorite style or technique? I dont think so!
I think that there are more individuals than ever who have discovered that photography is a fun and quick resulting activity, that they can use in their daily events. There is no longer a need for experience in chemicals, darkroom, equipment, and or talent. Anyone can take a picture and they do. And of course they wish to share their creations with everyone.
Why the lack of comments then? one would think with this many new people posting pictures, there would be lots of discussion on style, technique or software. Maybe there is no discussion because there is so many postings, that we feel like we have BEEN THRU THIS BEFORE.
I have to confess that when I look thru the new images, I look for something unique and different. There are so many good images, that I am only interested in outstanding images.
I believe that there are two brains at work when a picture is taken. One brain is in the camera, and completes the technical tasks very well. The other brain is outside the camera, pushing a button. Most of the time NOT communicating with the brain inside the camera. This type of activity generates good, but Dull, Dull, Dull pictures. I am inclined to believe that this is why there is so little discussion.
Oh Rats! In proof reading my comments, I realized I forgot to answer my own question, Wallpaper is so easy to produce that almost anyone with little or no experience can create custom wallpaper. Notice I didnt say create good wallpaper! So I am inclined to believe that interest in photography is Hi - interest in wallpaper is in decline. Notice how diplomatic my choice of words was (decline) compared to LOW!
I could ramble on some more, but the boss has declared that Dinner is Ready!
I hope as you read this, you think about your own activities, and maybe create some interest by posting your thoughts.
The Boss must have purchased more stuff that we dont need, or she wishes to put some excitement into our marriage. Mmmmm! she made, meatloaf and mashed potatoes. My favorite!