i dont want to complain or anything, i just found the feedback on my image Awesome Power was very different from what i recieved on the same image uploaded to Photo.net. you can see the differences in the comments at the links.

im just wondering whether people here are less experienced (which i'd doubt if you look at tthe profiles of many of the people who commented here); or are people scared to say what they really think about an image, or elements in it; or are they so overridden with snapshots, that they only see the good qualities in an image, none of the distracting elements?

let the discussion begin :P

Can it possibly be that diferent people have different opinions? Personally I thought the comments at other site were a little off. I see the picture as a whole and believe the lower portion is part of a whole. You made one photo. You posted one photo. Did you use PS or some other enhancement devices to produce that photo or are you a good enough to not need smoke and mirrors?

I believe a well taken shot taken correctly will stand in it's own. When I want to see objects modified I lean to cartoons or other forms of art that require such things.

So take a compliment. As for those that see a "Tale of two pictures" Have them make two and show them to you. The great thing about photography to me is the ability to capture a moment in time that is worthy of being captured.

I see a lot of great photos on this site, I also see some that I think are not so great. Being I am not opne that takes great pics I wont say something bad about it because I wont do it any better.
lol..I don't think anyone in this site fears your mighty prowess. If they didn't lie it and didn't say so it was more then likley that they just didn't feel like looking for flaws in what appears to b a pretty good pic. If it will make you feel any better I think he lightning is a little too white but that can be fixed in PS :-P

Well I don't think I agree that the comments were so "very different". Unless I am missing something you received two comments that were basically the same as those you recieved on caedes; of the other two comments, one was just agreeing with the other; if that person hadn't made the suggestion the second person probably wouldn't have thought of it. The same thing often happens on caedes. Personally I don't agree with the negative comments, if you remove the landscape I think you would lose the context of the shot, especially as without the bottom half of the photo it could easily be mistaken for a daylight photo. I also note that there is more compression showing on the photo.net image, especially in the landscape, which might have contributed to the criticism.

the real question is why is there two of you on photo.net:

link 1
link 2

And i think the real distracting element in the picture is the lights, and i second what sam said, for the most part.

well...photo.net doesnt want non-subscribers to have too many uploads, and secondly (the real reason) i forgot the password to the first profile...so i made a new one :)

sometime when i find a suitable foreground sihlouette i'll try putting in a new foreground and see what you think of it

It is an excellent capture Carl and we all have our differing opinions, obviously. I believe it is a first of its kind on Caedes. Maybe there are photos on that other site to compare with yours, but not here. There is always going to be a better photo. I like what the person mentioned about reflections over a lake. You know, you could have included the moon in the shot to...but the main focus would still be the illuminated clouds. The lights are a bit distracting but they also tell a bit of a story of the setting. I am glad you didn't climb higher to avoid the trees becuase you would have stole more attention by gaining more artificial light. Question is, how do you percieve your image?

The members on photo.net -- and many of them highly skilled artists in both technical and aesthetic disciplines -- are, alas, also a bit pedantic and arrogant. I'd say to suck it up and muddle through the criticisms; maybe 10 percent of their observations will be relevant enough for you to actually apply and improve your work.

Remember that oftentimes, if one person says something other people will agree. I think if the second person on caedes.net said what was said, a few people with more influenceable thought may have agreed.

Nah, I don't think the comments would have been different if someone have said anything different early on here... It's basically just a lot of oohs and aahs going on here. Not that I mind that much (if the image in question is not having offensively bad quality (and that happens from time to time...)) It's a big circle of pats on the back going on here at caedes.net for some time now and that has not got a lot to do with the work you do but more who you are in the crowd. My god I start to sound like the good old days... ^_^

I guess Tracys comment on skilled artists that are pedantic and arrogant on photo.net have good substance in this question though. I'd say that is not a bad thing though. I'd rather have an honest opinion then none at all or just the standard A4 comment you can get around here... I'm still waiting for my beloved friend that give me constant bad votes to tell me what they think is stinking so bad so I can learn more and grow as an artist. To be honest I think they had some good points but that doesn't mean I can fully appreciate your photo for the great qualities it's showing as it is. If that makes me pedantic and arrogant maybe I'm on the wrong site... ^_^

Klas -- are you STILL getting anonymous bad votes?

Not multiple ones, like the good old days but as far as I can tell almost every piece I submit get 1-2 really bad votes (between 0-2) regardless of what the image might look like (I guess the "look" part is strictly subjective). I'm happy it's not dosens bad votes I guess... ^_^ Matthews other thread "Low voting" covered it pretty much.

Hi Klas! Thanks for your comment on my last post! Im on here very little but couldnt help i just had to put my sneaking nose in to this...
I guess critics is a never ending story, I agree that if someone give u low votes they could describe the reasons that lies behind it...Maybe its just someone who cant stand a tuff Viking that says what he thinks whatever people think...I respect that side of you too even if i dont always agree with you, but there is no reasons for bad feelings because of that...My guess is that it is a payback vote for some reasons.That is about the level of a reptile brain or maybe myself after a couple of Starkbock....Ha det bra mannen!

I seem to agree with Mayne...how do YOU perceive your image? We are our own worst critic but we are the one who sees the true values in what we did. And even tho we like and appreciate comments and learn from them a lot...it still comes down to us knowing inside of us how we feel about our created object...

why are we saying this 3 to 4 times?

Hi there Tommy! I answered back at your personal profile.

Hmm... Good question MiLo. :) More like 4 to 5 though.

Nice to hear from Tommy at any rate. Starkbock in action?

Well as for your thought on the differences of comments, I have to say that the "atmosphere" here on Caedes seems to be the "don't want to hurt their feelings" type. Also, I think that there should be quite a bit more comments on that other site (rather than just 4) to really see a difference in oppinion on the masses level.

If you wan't my oppinion, I actually disagree with the couple people on the other site. If there was no land at the bottom, it would be just an odd abstract rather than the storm cloud. The ground makes the thundercloud look huge and dangerous, so I think it works well with it. As for the quality of the image, I do see some fuzziness going on, but I think the image itself is pretty nice.

First I'd like to say the image is excellent. So well done.
Second how many people get the chance to capture such an event is rare so feel luchy that you did.
Third you didn't have a choice in the lighting it was there and you took it.
Fourth lets see how lucky they can be in capturung such an image. There just jelous.

Well i blame Caedes for the repitition of my message because it didnt show any sign of contact , so i post it again and again and again and again but it didnt get there so i thought it was totally f''''''''' up....Then suddenly after a couple of days ALL was there
Lol...well i think i get my point clear anyhow.....

lol! Good one! ^_^ Clear your browser cash as a start and get a better ISP next. ;)

Cheers!

/Klas

Sure Klas! Well i think the picture is cool, and for me maybe to catch this moment is the thing that attracts me most in this picture..If i search for errors i also have to be awared of the time the photographer have in hand for taking the picture...If you want to catch a tree u got plenty of time, but a running train doesnt give u so many chances, so for me that is also involved in how i criticise a picture...In case i do criticise ;-)

I understand completely and agree to a large degree (as usual). I never search for errors, only share my impressions and give maybe one or two suggestions of how to try to improve and take the artist to new heights.

I don't think I know what is right or wrong in any way (like I thought I was better then others...) or having a higher sense of quality and such then the next man. I consider myself to be equal to the next man in most respects (I mean, we all have our differences). That's why I stand by my right to say things freely. Everyone should talk freely and not be afraid to share our points of views. I see this as the ultimate way to enrich each others lives... I don't want to be a part of a community where you are afraid to be yourself.

I primarily criticize with a kind intent and make effort not to degrade the work and time that is put into the piece. Don't let the good stand in the way of the ultimate best thing someone said to tell me when discussing similar matters. I'm not sure I agree to the letter. Sure, don't take away that what is good in what you have or degrade it in any way, but don't let that stand in the way of trying better and making effort in growing as (a person and) an artist.

Thats true Klas! Integrity is the spine in our society or at least it should be...
When it comes to Art its in my opinion the same thing, when we shows our differences and stands for it we get a mixture that blends the drink in a sweeter way...
If we put a price on ourselfs then we dont have to be so fragile about other suggestions
We're still the master of our work, no one can take that away from us because of some suggestions or critics, And as i said before...HAVE FUN!