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no more credibility

FormerMember
08/07/05 11:15 PM GMT
Ok that's it, I'm leaving caedes.net now. All those hideous simple fractals get comments like "WOW!!!!!!!!!! STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", and all the ones that people worked litterally HOURS for get crap like "nice job!", THANKS ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED THE CREDIBILITY OF CAEDES
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::philcUK
08/15/05 7:58 PM GMT
so having said all that is it safe now to confine this thread to history to avoid it plummeting any deeper on its spiralling troll food fuelled journey?
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+tbob
08/15/05 8:01 PM GMT
LoL
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co2metal
08/15/05 8:32 PM GMT
Thank you Dave and tbob.
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 8:33 PM GMT
philcUK: I've seen deeper -.-
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::philcUK
08/15/05 8:50 PM GMT
yes but lets not go there again.
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 8:51 PM GMT
we really need a thread closure feature :\
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::WENPEDER
08/15/05 8:52 PM GMT
Why? Because you invariably insist on having the last word? <G>
Wen
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co2metal
08/15/05 8:57 PM GMT
If you can't behave like an adult, Wendy, please don't post on the discussion boards...It ruins it for everyone.
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::Morwyn
08/15/05 9:05 PM GMT
Sorry, I agree with Wendy.. The adult thing to do is agree to disagree and let the subject drop and never bring such a degrading thing up again.. Forever!!!!! Dave always seems to need to have the last word... When he doesn't get it, he is always accusing others of childish behavior.. The rest of you seem to follow in his footsteps.. Let it drop.. The day you do... I will..
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::CaptainHero
08/15/05 9:33 PM GMT
What was the title of this discussion again?

Oh yeah: "no more credibility"... how apt.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
co2metal
08/15/05 9:34 PM GMT
Well I 'follow in his footsteps' because I am in full agreeance, much like how you and Wendy follow in each others'.
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 9:35 PM GMT
" Let it drop.. The day you do... I will.. "
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::WENPEDER
08/15/05 9:37 PM GMT
You know, Andy...whenever the discussion diverges in a direction that Dave doesn't like, the two of you invariably start calling the people who disagree with you immature - - it's like clockwork - - not to mention the fact that you invariably agree with everything Dave says. This thread alleges that Caedes no longer has any credibility, arguing that poor quality fractals are getting rated as highly as higher quality images. I simply don't agree. Sure, friends tend to support friends, but that doesn't make or break images here. Sorry you think I'm "ruining" your fun for asserting my point of view, Andy.
Wen
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 9:38 PM GMT
and you do exactly the same Wendy.
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 9:40 PM GMT
And when you have the majority of the voting population on Caedes as your friends, yes it does make/break images.
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 9:44 PM GMT
Oh, and I'm the one who said you were ruining my fun, but it wasn't for "asserting" your point of view, it was for the effort of suppressing everyone else's.
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co2metal
08/15/05 9:48 PM GMT
Who are you to say that I am merely here to back up and agree with everything Dave says? Perhaps maybe we share the same opinion?
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::tbhockey
08/15/05 9:49 PM GMT
Well you know Morwyn, it WOULD have been dropped if your counterpart Wen, didnt have to get the last word about Dave getting the last word.
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-tbhockey
scionlord
08/15/05 9:50 PM GMT
*implodes*
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::Radjehuty
08/15/05 9:53 PM GMT
*explodes*

*remaining pieces explode*


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co2metal
08/15/05 9:54 PM GMT
*liquifies*
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::Morwyn
08/15/05 9:56 PM GMT
If you boys insist on continuing to make fools of yourselves.. Feel free.. I have had my say.. Have fun..
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One bead at a time..
::Radjehuty
08/15/05 10:00 PM GMT
if this is making fools of ourselves...I would hate to see when I actually get embarrassed.

Do you think that you were justified in all your posts? I can recap to remind you of the things you said that makes you seem very dignified.
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J_272004
08/15/05 10:24 PM GMT
*Puts hand up... excuse me... ermmm why does every discussion on here end up in a pie throwing fight.... strange as it may seem everyone has their OWN OPINIONS on what is good whats not... you CANT please everyone.. thats a fact of life... if everyone had the same ideas.. the same opinions...
B O R I N G... anyway this discussion has got way way off the track once again like every other discussion....
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"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart." --Helen Keller
::Radjehuty
08/15/05 10:34 PM GMT
Agreed.
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::tbhockey
08/15/05 10:57 PM GMT
Well your right. But i might add, if we didnt fight about our opinions...B O R I N G.. =)
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-tbhockey
::Radjehuty
08/15/05 10:59 PM GMT
Agreed 2X :D
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co2metal
08/15/05 11:31 PM GMT
*agrees*
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::Benroy
08/15/05 11:44 PM GMT
Wow! This is a very confusing, both agreeing and disagreeing with so many comments at the same time!?!?!?
Going waaaaaaaaaaay back, Digital FX's comment about fractal programs merely being a way of finding already existing images is an interesting insight. It got me thinking quite a lot and I have to say I agree. It's what you do afterwards to put your own personal ideas and stamp on it that counts. The best artist have their own, easily, recognisable style/ technique and I think everyone on here is trying to be the best artist they can!
Anyway this thread shouldn't have got so much attention for what it started as, but it's evolved into a very interesting topic.

Cheers.............
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 1:38 AM GMT
funny how that works lol.

I think it can be difficult because the computer is such an incredible tool that it can easily generate something that we believe to be art. The way I was taught about art is that art is a way of expressing yourself. If I spend about 5 seconds looking for something that "looks cool", it doesn't really express anything about me at all...it's really up to me to make it something that's more personal.

I well learned now that art turned into something even more subjective, but art is truely THEE one thing that makes us human. It's just our way of turning something seemingly chaotic, into something organized and interesting or beautiful. I guess we can equate the word "perception" itself with "art" rather than some of the traditional definitions.
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::WENPEDER
08/16/05 2:12 AM GMT
An "artist" can take a few of cans of paint and throw their contents onto a large canvas and call it "art." Art IS about "self expression" but, just because someone spends considerable time searching and "finding" ALREADY EXISTING images in a fractal program, doesn't mean that that search and find process doesn't ultimately reflect something about the person doing the searching. Each person FOCUSES on specific aspects of fractals, zooming in and manipulating bits and pieces. They're actually doing more than the guy who throws a few cans of paint on a canvas. ALL art involves certain TOOLS and mediums. Fractal art involves the fractal program itself, and the "artist" takes the steering wheel of that program and tries his or her best to make it create something unique and personal.
Wen
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:22 AM GMT
"just because someone spends considerable time searching and "finding" ALREADY EXISTING images in a fractal program, doesn't mean that that search and find process doesn't ultimately reflect something about the person doing the searching."

- so if I went on google and started searching for an image, found one i liked, did some manipulation, that would be art? Oh I beg to differ.
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-tbhockey
::WENPEDER
08/16/05 2:27 AM GMT
No...and your analogy is poor.
Wen
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:31 AM GMT
well if my analogy is poor, than your statement was poor.
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-tbhockey
::Benroy
08/16/05 2:35 AM GMT
The best artists do far much more than take a few cans of paint and throw it at a canvas though. They take it, manipulate it and create something in a style all of their own that no one else could reproduce how ever hard they try. These artists get the recognition for that extra work and talent, where as sometimes the best fractal artist don't.
Sometimes you've just got to step back from a fractal and think, what has really gone into this and not take it at face value. There's some very deep work here at Caedes that doesn't stand out when it should.
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:37 AM GMT
which takes us back to the first post.
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-tbhockey
DixieNormus
08/16/05 2:40 AM GMT
Whether an image is created with a fractal generator, a renderer, a camera, or paint.....I judge artistry by what the image looks like to me. I could care less how it was created. If it's appealing....it's appealing. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it's a damn duck, and I could care less what duck made it!
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::Benroy
08/16/05 2:44 AM GMT
Arts a bit more than what something looks like though!
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::WENPEDER
08/16/05 2:49 AM GMT
Oh, for pete sake, Tony...are you here to argue or to discuss? You decide and let me know. Thus far, it looks like you're in the mood to argue. FYI, I'm not here to argue with you. Your analogy is like comparing apples and oranges. Have you ever MADE a fractal design? Have you spent hours fooling with formulas and zooming deeper and picking out different parts on which to try different formula manipulations?...then proceeding to try different color gradients and going back and trying other formula manipulations, etc. etc. etc? It is NOTHING LIKE going on google and searching down an image you like. You have to WORK fractal programs and sometimes it's a very long and tedious process....often much longer and more tedious that snapping a photograph, but, if you snap a great shot, that's "ART," nonetheless.

Listen...I like you...I like your work...I'm not here to argue with you for the sake of arguing, but to compare fractal art to grabbing an image off of a google search is an insult to every person here who puts lots of time and effort into making good fractal images.
Wen
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:52 AM GMT
im sure they ARE different, but you DID say "'finding' ALREADY EXISTING images in a fractal program..."

oh and P.S. dont act like I am the first person to come across as arguing (which i will admit i'm doing)
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-tbhockey
::WENPEDER
08/16/05 2:58 AM GMT
Ben....I agree with you, by and large, but great art sometimes takes great effort and sometimes it comes ALMOST EFFORTLESSLY. I agree with Randy that I don't care all that much what tools were used to create an image...I care about what it looks like and, ultimately, I think that's what the artist cares about too. Some of the very best art is often very simple...but it stands out...it grabs the viewer...the viewer CONNECTS with it. It might take an hour. It might take days, weeks or even years, but, ultimately, it's what it LOOKS like that matters....
Wen
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::WENPEDER
08/16/05 3:19 AM GMT
Yes, Tony, as Ben said, the post that got this thread going referred to "fractal programs merely being a way of finding already existing images." The shapes and designs that a fractal artist "finds" are contained within the fractal formulas...the "already exist." Nonetheless, "finding" them and shaping them often takes lots of time and effort. There are a million different potential images contained in those formulas.
Wen
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 3:28 AM GMT
Ok let's see about this thowing of cans of paint on a canvas. Do you ACTUALLY KNOW that style and what it means and what they ACTUALLY DO? Or are you judging a very interesting style of art based on the result you see and hear from others?

Actually the image search analogy is perfectly equated logically to what you said. The only artistic element you are using in the search for a fracal is intuition. The gut feeling that it looks neat.

Show me one image you did that expresses yourself, and tell me what exactly you were expressing.

And also, if you ARE going to use an already existing fractal and bring out the artistry in it, atleast do some work on it to FOCUS on what it is about the fractal that expresses the way you feel.

The way it actually looks in the end is not what art is really about, although important if you want people to download them. My Image "The Seraphim" is not the best quality, but I tried to mask it by expressing emotion, the fact that she is so absorbed in her own art.

And I agree with tbhockey's PS statement, by far not the first.
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 11:03 AM GMT
Wen: oh ok, now i think i get it
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-tbhockey
::Morwyn
08/16/05 1:10 PM GMT
I undserstand the theory behind the tossed cans of paint, but that doesn't make me like it.. There are many artists, who's work I don't care for. I do not confuse the work, with the artist..
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silverhawk1064
08/16/05 1:50 PM GMT
I have been gone from Caedes for a while, since I was moving. Now that I'm back I'm discusted with some of you and your childish reactions to peoples comments. No I'm not "former member" thank god. I don't care who he/she is, just grow up. That goes for all of you whinning about good job, nice work, or any such comment. If you don't like the comments go start your own site and have your own rules on what can be said in a comment. If you don't like this comment then grow up and quit whinning! this is a site to express your talent and have fun with it. It is a place to learn and grow! Not to whine like little babies. So to all you whinners go have fun and quit b itch ing about everyone else if you don't like what is being said get of the site we don't need whinners here. Learn and grow in your art express your tallent, and be happy. To all those with positve attitudes and the willingness to grow in your art Thank You for sharing your art with the rest of us. Oh ya and WOW, Great Job, Nice Work and all those good comments. Keep on expressing and learning and sharing.
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::regmar
08/16/05 1:57 PM GMT
I hate to say, this Hawk, but these flame wars keep popping up repreatedly. The only common thread connecting them is that it always seems to be the same members throwing barbs.
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silverhawk1064
08/16/05 2:13 PM GMT
Barb throwing is not nice, constructive comments are good but barbs are bad and we don't need bad people on this site. Like I said to all the whinners this is a site to express, learn and grow. If they just want to b it ch then they need to move on and start there own site so they can whine and b it ch all they want.We are to ack like adults not babies.
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::Morwyn
08/16/05 2:14 PM GMT
Thank you silverhawk..
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:33 PM GMT
well silverhawk, for some who hates whinning, I think you've done the most of it so far. And nobody was complaing about the comments they were getting alone, there is more to it than that, please read before you post, thank you
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-tbhockey
silverhawk1064
08/16/05 2:40 PM GMT
I have read everything here and find that children need to stop whinning. If you don't like what I have to say, than it must have hit home for you, so grow up and act like an adult if this is a problem for you than go whine somewhere else.
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:45 PM GMT
"If you don't like what I have to say, than it must have hit home for you"
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-tbhockey
::tbhockey
08/16/05 2:47 PM GMT
oh and you are the only one here acting like a child, and apparently you have no other insight to offer besides "you all such whinners!" "grow up".
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::philcUK
08/16/05 2:47 PM GMT
it's like pouring gasoline on an open fire, this thread is already more than 130 posts longer than it ever needed to be. any chance of bringing it to a close and calling a truce?
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silverhawk1064
08/16/05 2:57 PM GMT
You bet Phil. I just posted my personal opinion if the children don't like it they need to go to there mommy and cry to her. As far as this thread I have nothing else to say I'm not here to argue with little rich kids that have nothing better to do than complain. If they ever grow up they will realize that everyone is entitled to there own opinion. So now I move on to better things than arguing with children.
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 3:05 PM GMT
just like I said huh? haha you crack me up
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::WENPEDER
08/16/05 4:55 PM GMT
Amen, Hawk...so glad you decided to weigh in. These threads disintegrate quickly into nasty matches to see who can manage to have the last word and, the incessant whine from those who appreciate the work of few others than their own transform these so-called "discussions" into bitch sessions for those who want to complain about the quality of work they consider inferior. Too bad...these "discussions" COULD be about things to do to improve skills and expand artistic horizons.
Wen
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 5:22 PM GMT
right, I can see you are doing a lot to help that Wen. *slams head on desk top*
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::PrettyFae
08/16/05 5:48 PM GMT
tbhockey: The way in which *FormerMember* shared their opinions was uncalled for...OK, so they're annoyed...but that was just over the top!!! :P

I would also like to disagree with what they have said about fractals because although sometimes they do get tiring and are not always very artistic...they *can* take just as long as any other compositions...when I went through my fractal phase, I could easily spend hours on one, and not all of them are bad...just take a look at some of the ones Marou and Nathan have come up with!...

Though since then I have moved on ^_^...and I do agree with FormerMember - in a way - because some of the images on here that are of inferior quality are getting more attention than the ones that deserve it...but I still don't think it's enough to make me want to quit Caedes so violently...

That is all...>_^
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co2metal
08/16/05 5:53 PM GMT
Wow.. I find myself offended by these comments by yousilverhawk1064.. I see no reason for you to jump right in and call all of us 'children' and 'whining'. I believe the argument was somewhat credible, and i can't believe that you, who hasn't been a part of any of these recent discussions, can call us "little rich kids that have nothing better to do than complain". People like to have arguments. If you don't like it, ignore it.
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::PrettyFae
08/16/05 6:09 PM GMT
Well I certainly am not rich V_V...but I am a kid and I do love to argue :P
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::regmar
08/16/05 7:31 PM GMT
I believe Silverhawk was calling the children, "children", not the rest of us. There is a problem with whining in the discussion boards. Low voting is not going to go away. Revenge attacks are not going to go away. Mean people (as the sage said) suck, but they're not going away, nor are illiterate writers, but as we grow up we learn to accept them and move on. I belong to another photography site that prides itself on the way it weights votes in such a way that low and high voters get weighed less than mid-range voters. The webmaster has a tremendous algorithm for correctly calculating votes, but even with one who works extremely hard and studies ways to eliminate revenge voting, it still exists, and it is still a problem. Attacking each other will not make it go away. We all feel your pain (believe me!), but maybe we should all pay less attention to the votes and more to the view / download ratio, eh? I hope you have a nice day. Really I do.
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::PrettyFae
08/16/05 7:35 PM GMT
Maybe we should just pay attention to the beauty of the art itself...
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co2metal
08/16/05 8:10 PM GMT
Well if you want to simply throw everything on my side of the argument into the category of "whining", then oh well. That is honestly not what I was doing, I was merely expressing another point of view. I don't know if or how you got the idea that myself or others will 'revenge vote' or attack people.. what you said about voting is off the topic of what we have discussed, but let's just drop this whole thing since some have made it out that this is a whole thread of complaints. I think some should just relax and listen to what some of the others have to say instead of shunning them off as mere complainers? But I suppose too many egos, including my own, going at it at once will never result in anything.
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 8:34 PM GMT
You know it is interesting that Morwyn and Wendy would agree with Hawk...Let me see if I can pull up a nice mature very adult like PM I recieved:

Morwyn: I think you are a loud mouthed snot.. Feel free to complain..

Thanks, and also thanks for the nice attack on my C-Indexes, really appreciate the maturity. It's pretty pathetic we have to talk to a 60 yearold that way
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+tbob
08/16/05 8:39 PM GMT
You are 60 years old?
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 8:42 PM GMT
not to mention the fact that the only reason it GOT so far was because of people like Wendy and Morwyn DECIDING this was beating the dead horse. You don't have the right to tell us to stop posting our oppinions. And you certainly shouldn't PM me with blatant insults like a 6 yearold
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::Radjehuty
08/16/05 8:44 PM GMT
No Morwyn is according to her profile
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::Morwyn
08/16/05 8:50 PM GMT
Excuse me, I did not attack your c-index.. I do not have time for such childish behaviors.. Yes, I am 60, I will be 61 in two weeks and I have been an artist much longer than any of you have been alive. I wrote you that pm to tell you just how foolish you were behaving.. You chose to make it public.. Grow up, Dave..
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::regmar
08/16/05 8:50 PM GMT
Good point Fae. Andy wasn't trying to vilify you. The point is that you aren't going to solve anything by bringing this up. Trust me, it has already been discussed. I've been a member for a while, and I have seen this topic come and go and come up again. If indeed there are people who are voting on images based upon criteria different from those you think they should be using, why complain about it? You aren't going to change them, and you are likely to mistakenly offend others who think you're pointing your statements at them. This place is beautiful. Let's all relax and enjoy it.
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 8:54 PM GMT
Yes by telling me I'm a loud mouthed snot. That seems just as childish as anything you've pulled off here.
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::regmar
08/16/05 8:55 PM GMT
Good point Fae. Andy wasn't trying to vilify you. The point is that you aren't going to solve anything by bringing this up. Trust me, it has already been discussed. I've been a member for a while, and I have seen this topic come and go and come up again. If indeed there are people who are voting on images based upon criteria different from those you think they should be using, why complain about it? You aren't going to change them, and you are likely to mistakenly offend others who think you're pointing your statements at them. This place is beautiful. Let's all relax and enjoy it.
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co2metal
08/16/05 9:08 PM GMT
None of what i was talking about focused on peoples' differing criterion of voting.. it is more complicated than that, but I'm through with the topic... at least until it comes up again next month..
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 9:13 PM GMT
yea I pretty much gave up, your relentless supression of freedom of speach has paid off Wendy and Morwyn, congrats
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
scionlord
08/16/05 9:42 PM GMT
*shakes head sadly*

I use this site not only to find brilliant images, but also to post some of mine that I think are worthy of consideration.

I also use this site to explore my use of graphics programmes, and am grateful for all the help that I have recieved since I started posting on here, and try to help others in the same way.

I am incredibly honoured to find that some of my work has been deemed worthy of inclusion to the permanent galleries, because I am in awe of some of the artists on here.

It saddens me to see so many discussion posts being turned into mudslinging contests.
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 10:07 PM GMT
We're human scionlord.
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::tbhockey
08/16/05 10:51 PM GMT
I guess this disscusion will never be back on track. Oh, and Wen, and Morwyn, please don't respond to that by calling me a baby. And also Morywn, I dont care if you've been in art for 157 years, does that magically give you the right to call us all babys, whiners, and immature children?
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-tbhockey
DixieNormus
08/16/05 11:30 PM GMT
...and the real "FormerMember" is.......I'll figure it out if you all keep this going....so please....carry on!
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 11:32 PM GMT
I was thinking about becoming one myself, but what good will that do
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
DixieNormus
08/16/05 11:42 PM GMT
Well....."FormerMember" obviously is someone that makes more complex edited fractals. (If you read his post carefully...you'll see that I'm correct)...and "FormerMember" never tells anyone that they do a "Nice job"....or that their work was "Well done"....I have to believe they are also hung on themselves, and can't stand the fact that others can create images of equal or better quality than their own. This leads me to believe they have been here way to long. So....then.....(1)They edit their fractals. (2) They rarely ever have anything nice to say, and (3) They are a long time member of Caedes. Hmmmm Keep talking....I'm closing in on ya!
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 11:48 PM GMT
Why would someone have to be the ones making the art to have an oppinion of that nature?
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DixieNormus
08/16/05 11:50 PM GMT
(4) They will most definately get defensive when cornered.
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co2metal
08/16/05 11:52 PM GMT
..
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::Radjehuty
08/16/05 11:54 PM GMT
lol well if you want to think I wrote that, knock yourself out
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::WENPEDER
08/16/05 11:54 PM GMT
I like the way you think, Randy. <G>
Wen
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co2metal
08/16/05 11:58 PM GMT
I think it is Randy. -.^
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DixieNormus
08/17/05 12:00 AM GMT
LOL...for sure. =0) I'm busted!
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co2metal
08/17/05 12:01 AM GMT
Knew it.
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::Radjehuty
08/17/05 12:02 AM GMT
well it IS the least person you would expect right?.....the acuser becomes the acusee!
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DixieNormus
08/17/05 12:06 AM GMT
Dang...they're on to me.
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co2metal
08/17/05 12:15 AM GMT
i suspected you all along
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DixieNormus
08/17/05 12:23 AM GMT
Of course you did. =0)
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::regmar
08/17/05 12:54 AM GMT
Randy, you're not a butler, are you?
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::Morwyn
08/17/05 4:18 PM GMT
No, Randy is an angel..
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co2metal
08/18/05 7:23 AM GMT
I suspect Randy in the Observatory with a Candlestick.
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DixieNormus
08/18/05 10:55 AM GMT
=0)
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::groo2k
08/18/05 12:26 AM GMT
Each post on this site should be judged individually by the viewers personal expectations of art. I think if you scour the site you would find atleast one or more posts in each category you like and one or more posts in each category you abhor. It is pretty broad to say all fractals are not artistic and, by the same token, it is also broad to say all expressionist paintings are not artistic.

As far as the original post by formermember, it is sad that he/she has come to that conclusion. To say all fractals are hideous is a very general opinion. I have seen plenty of photo posts that were also hideous but I haven't damned photography.

Also, the disentergrating posts are almost always started by the same culprits. No matter though -- they are very entertaining.
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Salamander
08/22/05 1:36 AM GMT
wow, reading this thread has occupied me for about 20 minutes..

I think all forms of the art on this site can be of a high quality, like all forms can be bad aswell, and of course different people have different tastes, thats whats so great about having the little sections on the site, you can simply click on the type of art you want, and there it is without having to look at the work you might not like so much.. so then everyone is happy.. :)
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FormerMember
08/22/05 3:20 AM GMT
Love ran away because you called it fat.
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DevilsJohnson_2
08/22/05 9:44 AM GMT
Dayyym! IUt took a while to sift through this stuff and see all these opinions. I have to agree with the idea that art is what one percieves as art. Warhol does a can of soup and is an artist..or that Rolling stones logo. Personally I think they are both not art.

The simple fact of the matter is there are a lot of people that post on this site desktop wallpapers..hmmm..now there's a concept! Post wallpapers on a wallpaper site. Some are a little busy for the avarage user to use as a wallpaper some are simple..People can find their shortcuts and the image is better than the crap that Bill Gates offers you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so if a "Sub Standard" piece is getting attention that others think a "better" piece should get concider this. Being one of those dunb fractal maker people I seem to look at other fractals. this is for a few reasons. 1) I like them, they look pretty cool. 2)Seeing what other people are trying to do might give me an idea or push me to learn some damn math so I can be better at the things I do post.

I don't know about cliques and friends voting each others stuff up to get them higher ratings. I don't really know anyone here that poists. I have talked top a couple and they seemed to be real ice people. they have given me ideas when I have a piece lacking in some way and have sais "WoW!" when they felt liker it. I'll wage that the majority of preople that do post here do so for one of 2 reasons. They desire the acolades and need a venue such as this to feed some void lacking in the 3D world or they are fooling around with some software, Camera, whatever and made something that they thought someone besides themselves might enjoy. Either way what does it matter. People are going to say good job to things they believe to be a good job and they are goinfg to say what the hell were you thinking to others in print or to themselves.

I am one of those not too good fractal makers but I do have a hell of a good time making them and can really give a crap if someone likes them or not. ..lol..most have been deleted by me or those that help run the site or not being good enoughand that's fine. Maybe someone likes one and they have it on their desktop and it pleases them to see it. Yea for them if that's the case. Artists don't make art to be patted on he back. It is a release on more than one level and in the end you get what you get. but no one makes anyone like it. Be thankfull for the opportunity to look through several genras of "Desktop art" i have seen several that I thought would make a fantastic print...yeah...even some of those crappy pre-fab fractals.

I don't post a lot anymore being I just can't sit at a computewr like I used to with my back in the shape it is but I do look forward to sifting through this site when I do sit down. Thee are quite a few pretty good artists here :-)
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