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We post Images because we are a WALLPAPER sight, right?

::verenabloo
09/19/05 6:05 AM GMT
I would like to ask a question of all of you . Why do we post images here in caedes? Isn't it because this is a wallpaper site for the puter desktops? And if that is the case, shouldnt that be the most important thing? To know people view our images and then they choose and download the ones they want. I think that pretty much tells us all we need to know..ourselves and others loved the images and so they(we) downloaded them. It has absolutely nothing to do with voting..I would like to see those two items stay and comments to stay and get rid of all the so called voting, and C index. I think people will appreciate knowing why their image is great for wallpaper...but voting on the random voting sounds ok..that way we do vote...but do not make it our priority...instead we make the priority the wallpaper posting.Thanx ...I will no longer be giving comments here in the Discussions.
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prismmagic
09/19/05 6:36 AM GMT
Verena what happend now?
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::verenabloo
09/19/05 6:40 AM GMT
Nothing at all happened. I just think this is so great, I had kind of a good feeling knowing that we post for the purpose of downloading and placing these images on the desktop. I felt so happy about feeling that way. I wanted to see if anyone else could think of it that way. It is really not even about voting..it is about being a wallpaper site..and I am going to make my comments based on that...I think thats just the best way..for the people who posted the image...and thats the important part..not a thing happened. I just feel good about it, thats all..
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trisweb
09/19/05 7:01 AM GMT
I definately think of it that way, I just think that the ratings are an easy way to get to a good picture when you are using the site for choosing a wallpaper.

So often I just come to caedes when my wallpaper needs refreshing, click a gallery, sort by c-index, and get a screen of beautiful images to choose from. I think that's beautiful too.
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prismmagic
09/19/05 7:04 AM GMT
I think the voting is more for the reason of limiting the amount of images on the site Ya know. to keep the best of the best. Plus it helps to decide the amont of storage use on the server. If you where to count the amount of images on the site times there size of each image you would understand that there is only so much space for storage..
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+Samatar
09/19/05 7:05 AM GMT
No offense, Verena, but you seem to change your mind at the drop of a hat! :-) I seem to recall you were very concerned about the whole voting thing not so long ago!
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::verenabloo
09/19/05 7:14 AM GMT
Samatar:: I did a lot of thinking ,,,, I have had time to reason it out, I have tried not to say too much..until now.This is a wallpaper sight and so that is the most important thing to consider. I am sorry you feel I "change my mind at the drop of a hat" but you know what? I dont do that..I really try think things out.I will not make anymore discussion board comments. If I bugged anyone, I apologize.
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::onespock
09/19/05 7:23 AM GMT
Hi Verena, I agree with you...the c-index means nothing to me and I can do without it. Of course on the other side of the coin....some people like looking at the index to judge what others think about their work....unfortunally not enough members take time to write comments on every image they visit, I am guilty also, due to time constraints it just isn't possible for me and I am sure others have even more valid reasons than mine. I also see the voting and c-index as a tool, the new voting system has gotten me to see a much larger variety of images that I would not have searched out....a good example would be your painting "Painted island palm trees", it came up in the random voting(and I loved it)...otherwise I would have never seen it :(
Although I don't care for the c-index, I will continue to support it...for the ones here who like it and also for the Praetors(new name for ImageMods) Those guys do fantastic job but are looking at 2500 or more new images a month and need those votes to help them to sort out the keepers. All in all...until Praetor Maximus(Caedes) comes up with something new....voting is an important part. Whew....tired...too much typing...need me a chilidog.

Moe
Science officer's station.
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*caedes
09/19/05 7:37 AM GMT
Gee, this discussion is on a totally original topic!

Bottom line: we have to assign a numeric value to each image in order to make the permanent gallery selection process possible. Giving artist feedback is a secondary effect of the c-index.
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::verenabloo
09/19/05 7:40 AM GMT
mr caedes..I did write you a PM on this subject and I was very sincere, I hope you see that in what I wrote..and was trying to be honest and tell you my "new" thoughts...I was not trying to put you or anyone else down. I really want to make a point that this is a wallpaper site..and not a place to necessarily vote. I wont say anymore..................thanx for reading. I will no longer make discussion board comments.
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::regmar
09/19/05 2:25 PM GMT
Thank you for being a voice of sanity, Verena. Caedes is right; this topic has been discussed before, but it's good to see it brought up in the midst of all the shrieking going on in the other threads.
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SilverFang
09/19/05 7:12 PM GMT
I personally find this sight to be more or better than just wallpaper but more of an artistic site and the voting is a way to show how your image is seen through others eyes, even though this is a wallpaper sight, I don't think anyone who became a member and uploads images should think of it as just a wallpaper sight.
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&Crusader
09/19/05 7:41 PM GMT
Caedes.net has grown from originally being just a wallpaper site, to more of an artistic community. What use is it if you create art, but there is nobody to see it?

Although the focus is currently still primarily on wallpapers, there are changes in the work to accommodate artist as well by allowing the uploads of non-wallpaper sized images etc.

The important aspect here is the ability to interact with other more experienced artists/photographers in your field and get their advice by means of the comments they leave on your images. The C-index can't tell you very much except that people liked your images.

I can definitely see a progression in my talent as a photographer since I first joined, and that's all due to the tips and comments I got from other members.
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prismmagic
09/19/05 11:01 PM GMT
Geri I guess we could talk about Bush or religion so you won’t be surprised. LOL!

Really the site has grown so much, I think we are more like an art co_op more the just a website any more.
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+tbob
09/20/05 5:00 PM GMT
How about a discussion on Bush making religious wallpapers.HeHe
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prismmagic
09/20/05 7:29 PM GMT
Now Tbob Lets not invoke the dark side of the republic now. LOL !
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Lord_Vader
09/20/05 7:36 PM GMT
I love Bush's gallery of religious wallpapers!
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::Nikoli
09/20/05 8:20 PM GMT
Nope because I want to and if people like my stuff then great if not I find out why, it's just another canvas for me to explore. If I went into work tomorrow and someone had one of my shots as wallpaper I would be over the moon. I would not care if it was wallpaper or printed on toilett tissue so long as it had a value for someone else apart from me. (This probaly was not the best metaphor to use).
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::CaptainHero
09/20/05 9:27 PM GMT
Agree: we're here to share the images and keep some of them permanently for people to look at and use. If someone wants to use one of mine, great! If someone votes a zero on mine, well frankly I have bigger things to worry about. This is a great site.
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EmilyH
09/21/05 12:37 AM GMT
I'm here just to get feedback, but I value the comments more because I don't have to read people's minds. (Did they vote low because they were mad at the new voting system, or because they didn't like my picture? Did they just not like the color? What didn't they like about the picture? Is it anything I can improve on, or did they just not like it in general? Etc...)

I'd personally rather get constructive feedback than a number that doesn't mean much. My other hobby is writing. I go to a critique group once a week. If we just voted on each other's stuff, rather than giving detailed feedback, I wouldn't learn anything from it.

I wouldn't mind if the voting system went away entirely. I personally don't judge pictures based on it. I download what I like, regardless if other people liked it or not. And if my picture didn't make it into the permanent gallery, I could always just upload it to Geocities.
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::regmar
09/21/05 12:56 AM GMT
As has been pointed out repeatedly, it's the download umber that indicates popularity, not the c-index. Thanks for your words of sanity, Emily.
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Si
09/21/05 2:08 PM GMT
Sanity? On caedes? Who let her in? ;-)
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EmilyH
09/21/05 4:58 PM GMT
Well, it seems to me as if the c-index is really a popularity contest. Wasn't that what you were trying to fix?
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&Crusader
09/21/05 5:10 PM GMT
The C-index became a popularity contest to some people. The actual funtion is to help the Praetors to decide on which images to include in the permanent gallery (although this is definitely not the only criteria).

People are slowly starting to think differently about the C-index... so that's good.
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::drgibson
09/21/05 5:29 PM GMT
I'll say it. I post because I want people to see my work, and I want others to give me there opinion of my work good or bad. I love the fact that people use my images as their desktop backgrounds. I think that we should not be able to vote on an image unless we make a comment on it. I like the C-Index concept but I detest the Voting Booth it's too impersonal.
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&Crusader
09/21/05 6:46 PM GMT
Well the "impersonal" aspect was made necessary by the fact that people started voting high on the images of their friends, and low on the people they disliked, or those who were higher listed in the author list (ego coming into it again).

The voting booth is actually a brilliant idea. This way you don't know whose image it is, and you also get exposed to other images you normally wouldn't have noticed. The voting booth does need some refinement though. Perhaps making it possible to comment on the image at the same time that you are voting (instead of going to the image page afterward) has been suggested. I'm sure that Caedes is busy with the refinements.

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::Nikoli
09/21/05 8:34 PM GMT
It's all good.
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