I already mentioned this in the discussion on moderators but I feel it is necessary to be sure that it is seen and heard. I feel that you are doing a great job in the area of censorship but I would really appreciate if obscene profanity could be eliminated or at least restricted. I thoroughly enjoy reading comments, it is a shame that certain individuals have such a limited choice of thought patterns and available adjectives.
Once again in advance, thank you Caedes.

P.S. If anyone else feels the same, please support me and make it "our" stance and not just my own. Thank you!

This website is one of my absolute favourites, because it gives people a chance to exchange their own photos/artistic creations and subject them to criticism in an open-minded atmosphere. I therefore agree that it should be free from erhem... offensive adjectives. I think people that are serious about this site and the opportunities it provides, should indeed be able to express their thoughts in a more sophisticated manner. It has to be said that I haven't come across very much profanity, mostly people seem to know what is appropriate for the situation.
Thanks Caedes

Thank you Ferg, and it is true that there is not a lot of profanity. Nevertheless, if you view a lot of pictures, you will come across it, and it is in very poor taste.

I try to bleep out bad stuff that I come across. I'll think about adding a way to recomment modifications to questionable posts. Thanks for the comments.

It is necessary to be tolerant, I think.
It is not necessary to name moderators to censor commentaries... We are in democracy and all the commentaries are welcome. You can appreciate the good and can be unaware of the bad...

This is true, and I have to say that this sort of thing doesn't offend me- it would just be nicer without. Of course, I'm aware that Caedes has better things to do than crawling through all the chats deleting Eff words. Then again, democracy doesn't have much to do with people swearing... My ballott paper: Lib Dem: Hell yeah; Conservative: Go f*** yourselves; Labour: jump off a cliff you b*******. I think not : )

It is apparent that some people don't realize how ignorant they are, so I figured I would let you know Ferg!

I think this is a VERY touchy area. First you must ask the question, "What is profane?"
Unfortunately, this is an inherently unanswerable question since the definition of profanity
is very subjective. If I post a comment like, "What a f**kin' awesome image!", is that
profane? A tastefully done nude may seem profane to a 70 year old nun but not to a 34 year old dock worker. I also don't think the problem is profanity per se. The only problem
I've had in the discussion areas here are users who post non-contributive inflammatory
responses.

Well geez. .

I guess I killed THIS thread. :-)

I think we were mainly talking about verbaly profane communications. In general you are correct that censorship can be harmful, however I'm more interested in promoting mature conversation than I am in ensuring that every kid with an attitude can flame with reckless abandon. Of course that's easy for me to say because I'm the one who edits messages.

ppigeon: To tolerate is to put up with, and why must we put up with those with no self control? It is unecessary to use profanity in commentaries on such a simple subject as photography. We come as members here to view and enjoy caedes artwork, if you want to curse, take it elsewhere. This is not the place. I suppose no matter where you go there will always be that one person trying to be politically correct.

Thanks to the ImagesMods we can avoid all drift in pictures. Imagine commentaries that we would have if we didn't have a censorship in pictures. In comparison with other sites, I can tell you that this site is indeed correct.

I agree that this site is a lot better off than many other sites. Also and thank you Pierre and the other Mods for the work you do. Furthermore, the amount of profanity has dwindled significantly since I first mentioned the subject. Thank you.

they're just words people... get over it?

OK, maybe they are "just words" but since this is a website - no one can see your facial expressions or other body language that goes along with the words you speak. So then it becomes more difficult to judge what would be an appropriate "swear" - as I'm sure you all know - feeling is lost in e-mail. The quality of our thoughts can only be as good as the words we speak.

But why would you care what their "body language" is if you can't see them? I agree with Ozman.. It's not THAT big of a deal.. (Then again, this comes from a 15 year old..)

Profanity, like pornography, is in the mind of the beholder (or of ) the ommunity or brosdercsocary.). There is a unique background to each o us in this regard as individuals, and we judge from the standards we grew up with, profess to know and understand, or blindly accept or believe as immutable. If we respect one another on this site, as I hope we do, anddisplay appropriayecserve asn willingf to lidten, then we will not despoil the forum.

19aug03 - not sure why the above came out so garbled, but I hope you get my gist. Dang.

And here's a perk!! THERE'S A COMPLAIN BUTTON!! No more need to write here, you can complain STRAIGHT to the person who said it!

Actually the complain button sends a message to me.

Well.. It still works, right? (I've tested it out a few times already [with good reason of course] and found out that it DOES go to him).. It's quite a convienient button to have!

words are never just words. if words didn't have meaning and implication, what would be the point of having words? so we need to exercise responsibility in our conversations and comments in what words we use. i heard a quote once that went like this: "profanity is the last effort of the weak-minded to be understood." not to offend anyone and not to say that i don't let a bomb drop once and a while, but we should try and exercise (and have been, for the most part) responsibility. especially on a site of this caliber. great site caedes. keep it up.

thank you usernaimned...well said ; )

i agree with the last 2 posts. I had someone make a comment on one of my photos, that it looked like a peice of s****. and while i do not mind constructive criticism, that was not my idea of it. i think the point could have been better taken had the choice of words been more intelligent. And as jim said, words never are just words, what comes out of your mouth is what is in your heart. And also i have been impressed with how the site is not riddled with profanity. personally i probably would not have kept coming back and getting involved in any way had the site been offensive.
just my 2 cents ;-)

That is very true. This site is exellent when it comes to profanity. Mainly because the people who use this site are usualy wholesome good people. But sometimes people do swear. Personally I think that this is not the place or the people to be swearing in.

"the people to be swearing in." haha.. Sorry, just had to laugh at that last bit of grammatical error.

Nevertheless, this is a great site, and I do applaud everyone in here for being (for the most part) civil and curteous. Thanks for making this site for everyone, and not just a place to throw obscenities around.

Furthermore, WHY ARE WE STILL POSTING HERE?! I really thought this post died a LONG time ago.. oh well, some things just NEVER die, I guess.

Hey Andrew, you asked why I didn't like swearing...here's your answer

did this thread REALLY need to be dug up? ...

Yes, to make a point.

profanity is in the eyes of the beholder .. you are tops on my list

I probably curse too much and have occassionally been compared to a truck driver or a sailor. My parents raised us to believe that the words were there for emphasis, and it was fine to use them, but to respect that not everybody would feel the same way.

I do try and am personally capable of using alternate words to express myself in front of people who are offended by it. Just as I am highly offended by racist slurs of any kind, and request that people who wish to remain in my presence don't use them.

*shrug* It doesn't take that much effort to be respectful of one another.

That being said… Timmy… the next time you want to dig up a thread to make a point to a specific person… would u mind just sending THAT person a link to the thread? thanks! 8•)

all of the forums/images etc contain a complain feature to allow members to object to unsuitable material. you should use this function rather than trying to make obscure points.

timmy. u couldn't just send a link to me?? waste :) idc if u don't like "bad" words :) i nvr really asked either :)

Do I use profane language? I cant remember..hmm i do remember saying the "C" word once. ;-)

hmmm..for as much as i use every single ( well almost every) obscenity, and admittedly, a bit too much...i have to acknowledge something i was taught when i was oh, eleven or so, and took up swearing to sound 'cool'. my mother told me that 'curse words' were used by those too ignorant, too lazy, or too out of control to find the proper words...and the kicker: when you say them, which of those would you like to be remembered as? having said that, i do think alot can be if not ignored, at least put into perspective. there's too many serious things to worry, fret and steam about without dwelling on a person's choice of wording....

Do me and yourself a favor, keep the vulgar language (even in pig latin) to a minimum, making my job easier and so you don't get a place in the hall of shame.... after a certain number of shames, you can be banned or globally ignored, I don't want to see that happen to anyone.

is it possible to see how many you have or visit the hall of shame? just wondering :)

will behave

even if we could, i'm guessing the hall of shame would be the site's pandora's box...better left unopened...

Can we get a list of profane words? My point being who judges what is profane? Most of us know and don't use them but let me tell you I am guilty of poopoo, doody, peepee, big poddy, and that stinky F-word Fart. Is this profanity? Who decides?

Well the person who is most "sensitive" to profane language that may visit this site....so, i guess that would leave us at, poopoo is a nono. *uh ooo*

Yet they say to their kids..."why didn't you tell me you had to go poopoo?" I guess it's all in who says it.

Yikes, I shall tiptoe here. I come from a very "expressive family". It is just how my community of people here at home release steam (not anger) and it the odd swear word is humorous to them. I think swearing can be very appropriate, funny and stress releaving if it is used in a non-abusive way. I don't use religious slang, but that is personal to me. I am not easily offended language wise, but sexual slander and tearing people down is not cool. We all have our moments, but I think intention behind our words is what makes them dangerous. You can say things in much more gross and poisonous ways with out using swears if you so choose. But I agree that swearing should not be tossed around in an atmosphere like Caedes. It's a public forum and could easily chase people away or make them feel uncomfortable. To those who are highly offended, sorry, we try to keep it cool around here. Tom keeps us on our toes by reminding us of the need for this atmosphere or atleast to instill in us the holy fear of the hall of shame (LOL). Swear words are bound to seep out of some of us every once and a while because we are all culturally different. The vast (and I mean vast) majority of Caedes is swear free, so I would insist you see the glass as 3/4 full, as opposed to 1/4 empty. We are many people from many different places bound to express ourselves differently. I'm still not sure what is all considered as swear words around here yet, so my apologies to Tom and Caedes if I've made your jobs any more difficult. I have heeded your warnings. But what I mostly want to get across is be patient folks, we are mostly good natured people with no intention of being offensive, we just like to joke around.

Profanity easily offends me....

...ha! You must be kidding.

You have been around Andrew too long....and who started this no thanks thing? It stinks.

I have removed my original thread response in attempt to be a less confrontational towards Puritans, while I would prefer to use cussing and slang over choking the living (explitive deleted) out of someone, I will hold my tongue in this instance.

Cheers to you Jenn

Okay, I personally think this thread can be laid to rest now.

All that reviving for naught. Not going in the proper direction I guess.
Well, obviously I am not a puritan (and no doubt am doomed to go to Hell---can I say that word?) , and so I guess that makes me ignorant, since I sometimes find that a cuss word is the best way to get a point across. This world is doomed I tell ya...doomed!!!
I guess, I should just revive that old saying...
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