Caedes

About deleting images

Submitted by caedes 03/28/03 6:06 PM GMT

I'm not sure if I like the way I'm currently going about deciding which images to remove to save space. Right now I'm going by the pints onlined here, however I think everyone will agree that there is too much room for personal preference to get in the way. The problem is that there is basically no way to assign an unbiased 'quality number' to an artwork. I don't like being in the position of deciding what is and what isn't art. Are there any good ideas of how we can automate the process of cleaning out the image galleries?

On another note, I was thinking about a different way to go about deleting an image. Instead of just removing every trace of its existance from the database, I'm thinking about just deleting the main image but leaving the thumbnail and the record of it in the database. That way the image will still appear in your personal gallery. When the thumbnail is clicked it will take you to the deleted image note. It just won't appear in the main gallery and it won't be taking up as much disk space.

How do these two ideas sound?

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+WinterNight
03/28/03 6:42 PM GMT
For the first idea maybe we could go on the ranking system you have. There are some pictures that are rated really low by a bunch of people Then again, it is your site and you can delete any image you want to, without having to explain it to everyone.

About the second idea, I don't know about other people, but for me it the reason I deleted some of my images is because they just weren't that good didn't want them here anymore because they weren't the greatest. But if other people still want theirs to stay at the site, maybe give an option to have a thumbnail stay?
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trisbert
03/29/03 12:24 AM GMT
I think the ranking system is logical place to get an unbiased decision, possibly followed by the number of comments the image has generated. I think negative comments show more interest than no comments.
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+ppigeon
03/29/03 10:42 AM GMT
Meters ' views' and ' downloads's are a good tools to decide pictures to keep or to erase.
Greatly better than the meter 'rate this image' that remains subjective.
For example, if after one week or month, the meter ' views' doesn't reach X and the meter ' downloads' doesn't reach Y, then the picture is erased automatically.
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+WinterNight
03/29/03 9:42 PM GMT
Ppigeon's idea sounds good, and seems reasonable.
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*caedes
03/29/03 10:08 PM GMT
Yeah, I'm thinking about keeping a running total of the downloads for the last week and if it's below some minimum then the image is suggested for removal. I won't have auto delete because there are some things here I don't want removed no matter how many people ignore them.
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+cc_Beowulf
03/30/03 11:56 PM GMT
well... there will always be a significant decline of d/ls of an image after it goes to page two or such...

But here's an idea... maybe you could put on a feature where there's a part where you can vote whether you think a picture should be considered for a permenant gallery...? It could be part of every page, or just on the user gallery... or be completely separate, where you have to go the extra mile to nominate a picture for upgrading... or removal?

Just some random thoughts.... but btw... I didn't really see anything wrong with the present system... this is your site, I don't mind if you have personal opinions about work....
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whozurdoggy
03/31/03 2:03 AM GMT
same here, but ppigeons idea sounds the most reasonable to me
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+xentrik
03/31/03 7:23 PM GMT
I think that Caedes is looking for some more objective way to go about removing work. While I agree that, obviously, "It's his site, he can do what he wants", I think he's also trying to create more of a sense of community, and keep himelf from being seen as an evil overlord, wantonly deleting the pride of his innocent users. :-D

The ratings system is good, but seems underused as of now. For example, "Tropic of Capricorn" has around 14000 views, but only 300 votes. For this to be a really vaild metric, there would have to be a much greater emphasis placed on it, such as making all members know that if they don't vote for things they like (and against things they don't like) they'll be deleted (or stick aroud forever).

Views and downloads is a good metric too, as something that more people like will obviously be seen more, but I'll admit that I view my own photos fairly regularly to check for comments. (yes, I really know that subscriptions now make this unnecessary, but it's an old habit) I'd hate to be accused of just running up my numbers to save myself from deletion. :-)

I think both ideas (or even a combination) would probably work, and I really can't think of any other really good way to do it.
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*caedes
04/01/03 1:50 AM GMT
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
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Ferg
04/01/03 11:57 AM GMT
Perhaps it would be sensible to look a it from another angle: if the user gallery has only a set number of spaces, e.g. 12 pages of pictures, as new ones are put on, the old ones are pushed off the end and deleted. It can then be your choice to 'save' a picture and put it in another gallery if you particularly like it and it has certain specifications like a high enough resolution etc. or simply let it slip off, without offending anyone.
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+ppigeon
04/01/03 4:20 PM GMT
Caedes: what means "you've hit the nail on the head"?
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+cc_Beowulf
04/01/03 5:15 PM GMT
It's an expression that means he has throughly grasped the issue at hand.
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CrazyIvan
04/01/03 8:28 PM GMT
I think a greater emphasis should be placed on voting or be a requirement to view the images. I have viewed several images that I really didn't like; I just viewed them to read the comments. With this in mind, I don't feel that viewing is enough of a prerequisite, and rating is not an overall opinion
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mastchbr
04/01/03 8:36 PM GMT
I too would like to see voting or ranking an image as mandatory in order ro vew it. You would still have the option of rating it high or low but at least that way everyone's opinion would help determine wether or not it was deleted. I have viewed a lot of images simply because they are new or the title is intriguing. Some of them were good and others just didn't appeal to me personally. However, they were still good pictures and so I might give them a good rating and yet chose not to download it.
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*caedes
04/01/03 9:12 PM GMT
That's an interesting idea. Of course you couldn't make voting a requirement *before* viewing an image because the larger image might be low quality compared to the preview. I can see how we could have a system where you have to vote for at least 1/2 of the images that you view.
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+tbob
04/02/03 3:55 AM GMT
A good way to weed out pictures is to place them in sort of a new wallpaper limbo so to speak, but a limbo that only registered users can see.This limbo should be set up so the user that uploaded the image cant vote on it but all others can but they can only vote once per image. Plus in this limbo you change the voting system from a ratings type to a keep it or lose system. leave it there for a designated time and if there is more vote to remove than to keep it then it goes but if the vote goes the other way then it will move to the authors gallery.I think that this would be the fairest way to do it that way when someones picture was removed 1 or 2 people wouldnt be to blame it would be a majority,so hopfully the person wouldnt feel singled out and get their feelings hurt. The only bad thing about this way would be that the wallpapers would take a bit longer for the general public to see them.The advantage might be that the site becomes more refined to what the users want to see.
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*caedes
04/02/03 4:20 AM GMT
Wow, yeah that's a very interesting idea. We could do this pretty easily by just changing the voting system slightly. Before an image has say 10 votes, the voting is about whether or not to keep it. An image is only deleted if it has ten votes, a majority of the votes are against it, and it has been in the gallery for say a month. After the image has ten votes the voting is no longer about whether or not to keep it.


As for keeping people from voting for their own images, I already do that. ;-)


Thanks for the great idea!

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glooh
04/02/03 11:32 AM GMT
Would it not be an idea to save space with resolution? If an image is uploaded, it will automatically sized to 800x600 and when it get's enough visits (i don't mean downloads because people would like higher resolutions for that) a higher resolution will be ready for download.

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*caedes
04/02/03 5:12 PM GMT
It's not just about saving disk space. It's mainly about keeping the signal to noise ratio low. People shouldn't have to wade through a bunch of low quality images to ind the good ones.
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CrazyIvan
04/02/03 10:13 PM GMT
Why not let the regular members (or just contributing members as far as that goes) rate incoming images as to whether or not they should remain on the sight for all to see? The image could only be seen by regular member on a special page until they were chosen eligible to pass to the primary galleries.
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