Can someone tell me on what criteria the decision is taken to archive a photo? My photos with even C.index 75 have been archived but I see many with much less Index value in the "permanent" photography album.
Thanks for your comment/reply in advance.

this section from the FAQ's may explain your situation:

'The image is in a catagory which is already really well covered. There are some catagories of images like flower photos and Mandelbrot fractals which we have a lot of examples of. If an image in one of these catagories is not the best of the best then it will eventually be removed. '

insert 'archived' instead of 'removed'.

Also keep in mind that the C-index is not the only thing taken into consideration when Praetors decide which images to move to the permanent galleries. In actual fact, C-index only plays a small part. The quality of the image, technical aspects, artistic vision etc. all play a much larger role. An image with a low C-index stands just as much chance as an image with a high C-index to make it to the perms.

And do not forget that 'perms' can also be archived :)

I do not like the 'life of an image on caedes.net' diagram in Other Stuff very much. It indicates that all archived images are 'not good' and that is not so. I believe that many of my archived pictures in the 70's and 80's on the C-Index, although they may not be deemed suitable for inclusion in the permanent Galleries,(and I understand and accept that) are not bad. According to this diagram they are not good, therefore they must be bad? Perhaps this diagram does not send a very encouraging message to new members trying to understand the system.

I feel your pain sister ... amen

I used to worry (?) about the C-Index, but not any more (took 3 weeks to change). After all, it is just a few randon votes, by people with various different likes and dislikes - and doesn't really say this is worth keeping and that is not! Far better to hear comments from others, particularly from those who are kind enough to really look and give their judgement of your shot. Worry not!

i'm pretty sure that the afore mentioned diagram was created with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Well, I gotta agree with Lyn about the 'life of an image on caedes.net' diagram in the "Other Stuff" area. There are artists here whose work is of such good quality that ALL of their images could hypothetically be placed in the permanent galleries. Yet Praetors pick and choose and, in time, a number of their images are archived. The diagram mentioned reinforces concerns that many have voiced that archived images are judged negatively and set aside. They are taken "out of circulation" so to speak, and the diagram in question strongly suggests that the artist ought to take a hint and remove them from their gallery because they're "not good." Not only that, but my understanding is that images are automatically archived after a certain length of time, and I do wonder if ALL images are actually carefully considered before some images are archived - - and, if not, what determines which images are and which are not? Wen

I can't address all of that, I will say I thought it was fairly clear that diagram was (mostly) all in fun.

I do know that images are not automatically archived, each one is given consideration by a live (we think) human. The "(we think)" is sarcasm directed @ the idea that said human might not be alive… I'll just clarify that now before THAT gets taken the wrong way. 8•P

OMG .. Cat!!!! ... what do you mean by not human????

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Some of the mods go through the last few pages of the new images gallery on a regular basis and archive any images which don't make the cut, perm the ones that are outstanding, and leave the ones they are unsure of for later. In this way the images are whittled down rather than just all dumped when they reach a certain age. If we just moved every halfway decent image to the perms it would defeat the purpose of having them becuase it would make the perms far too big to manage and also, where would be the sense of accomplishing anything?

Then again it's not like this hasn't all been said a thousand times before already...

You know guys ... I make a pretty darn good fudge .... if any of the mods are interested & willing to talk turkey ... so to speak. Not to mention an awesome Lasagna .... made with Hot Italian Sausage .....

PM me ... we'll talk.

Thanks all of you, for the comments. Let us not be disappointed and let us continue to post good photos whether the wise judges are impressed by them or not!

Very well said Raj :)

I am curious as to what the typical life of an image is, before it is archived. I have not questioned this before, because I have felt in the past, that all of my images that don't make it to the perm gallery, is given quality time in the "new images gallery". However, I have noticed today, that 3 of my images (all uploaded in the first two weeks of September), have now been archived.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I understand your concern, however, it is Caedes' policy that new images should remain in the new images gallery for no more than 1 month. As all moderators (Praetors) are volunteers, this is often overlooked. It appears that some of our moderators have recently taken the time to deal with the many hundreds of images backlogging in the new images gallery. Thanks for your posts, please do not be discouraged if they are not put in the permanent galleries.

due to the rising member count and steady influx of images .. the task of managing the parade of pixels is a demanding job ... and, while all +mods have their own style and peccadillo's, the general guideline is that an image will be allowed a minimum of two weeks in the limelight ... there will, of course, be exceptions to that ... the reason for allowing an image, that is destined to be arc'd, to stay in general population is so that the artist can receive constructive crits


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there is a benefit to 'archived' images that everybody is missing .. that being, if you receive a comment on an archived image you know that somebody was perusing your gallery, and not the 'free swim\no lifeguard on duty' of the new images gallery

and that alone is worth, at least, one warm fuzzy .... soon, after a taste of that, you'll be begging to have your images archived

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You may have a point there, Keith but you can't deny that having your photo transferred to the "perms" brings a certain amount of satisfaction to the contributor. You are also quite right when you say that mods have their own styles and preferences - "anti-flower" for example :) - and sometimes it is disappointing for a user to see a photo - which to him/her looks definitely inferior to (some of) his/her contributions - "upgraded" to permanent status. Therefore there should be an option for a review of the "discarded" photos once in a while.

Flowers having the second largest gallery in the perms with far more images than any other gallery below them doesn’t really suggest there is an anti flower attitude in any shape or form.

Just had a quick look, there are 29 categories in the photography galllery but Flowers takes up nearly a tenth of the whole gallery by itself... so I'd say flowers are more than fairly represented in the perms.

well .. to be honest, there is an anti-flower conspiracy .. but we promote extra flower images in order to cover it up

you guys have to get up pretty early to catch us

Hey Keith, to be honest - I like your other avatar much better - This one has a real mean look! Now that you have confessed and I know what goes on, I am going to form a group called FOF (Friends of Flowers I mean - what did you think?) to help us "Flower Children". You know you would have to be of certain age to be one of us!

come on .. at least call it FOOF

"Friends of Outdoor Flowers"

"Friends of Oppressed Flowers"

"Friends of Overlooked Flowers"

"Friends of Outrageously-Conspired-Against-and-Maligned Flowers"

I like the second one - oppressed flowers - so we'll call it FOOF ! Wait till we overtake "Landscapes" and become no.1! First there will be a demonstration (all with garlands and Hawaiian head bands) and then the revolution starts!

Followed swiftly by the mass archiving as part of the Big Evil Plotฎ

Awwww, Baby Meanie just need happy hat!

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Yup, this ain't no mean baby - he is one sweet kid!

Yay-uh!

C-index? Gad - I think the last time I looked at a c-index score was a couple years ago. They're not very important.

Nathan, how do you figure where your images stand then? I am a photographer and I value peoples general consensus on my shots.. most comments are positive so its hard to tell from that alone.
i thought this and this were pretty good based on c-index, but they just recently got archived. im not too worried about it, just wondering if there is a reliable way to gauge my image's quality.

The perms are supposed to be reserved for the truly outstanding. I think the bigger problem is that many images that are there probably aren't up to that standard so people are comparing their images to them... used to be in the sites early days that only a select few images were permed each month. I think we should be aiming in that direction.

I think anyone who takes this site seriously, including myself, would support that.

I think the perms should be only the best.. that way it would give the artists something to aim for..

Understandable about the perms.. In fact I think it is better that way, but going through them... there are a lot of images that honestly arent that great. maybe the perms need to be cleaned out a bit...
still confused about c-indexes though.

the perms DO get weeded out periodically ..

The c-index is helpful as a guide for us at it makes it easier to find afore mentioned outstanding images faster/more easily. It also assists members to go through images and find the most popular ones quickly. In general, any image that acheives an index of 90 or thereabouts has a high probability of making it into the perms. However the mods always use their own judgement to decide what will be moved, ie it is not dictated by the c-index or any other statistic.

Thank you Sam, for clearing that up. it makes a lot more sense now. thanks for what you guys do.. keep up the good work.
aloha
vlad

Just wanted to thank whatever Mod put two of my shot in the perms yesterday!! w000t!!! thanks :D

(*stands up, waves to the applauding audience, turns back to the mic to address the crowd*)

um, that wasn't me

(*sits down, quickly*)