How does everyone feel about a catagory for pet snapshots. I have seen some great posts that end up in the caesdes dump because their considered snapshots.
One of mine was dumped. I do know of someone who has been a caedes member for some time now who is upset over this and is leaving caedes because of it. She is not the first to leave because of this issue. Is there anything we can do as a group to get this wonderful site to reconsider. I have seen alot of posts of different subjects that though they might be very good, I would not consider them wallpaper. So why the difference between those and the pet posts. I have seen many pet photos that are so cute and wonderful that i have faved them and used them on my desktop.
Sorry for the babble here but I just wonder how others feel about this and if we can do something to change it.
Welcome to Caedes.. btw your photo sucks and we don't want that kind on here, find somewhere else for your snapshots"..
I'd agree, if that's what I said. I took the time to explain what I meant. Here's the message I left, without it's "translation":
"Hi. Firstly, welcome to Caedes.
Now that you're here, I'd like you to have a look around, and perhaps check out other work. This photo is merely a snapshot, and not quite what we, not I, come to enjoy and share on the site.
Photos such as this, which seemed to be saying "here,look at this" might be better suited on any number of social photo-sharing sites.
Thanks for your interest in the site, and your more artistic efforts are awaited.
but I bet you didn't bother to read that last line, huh?
oh, and as for this:
"If that was me (and I know i'm not alone on this thought)"
without naming the sender, I got this:
"Holy s**t Rob ! How could you be so rude to a newbie ?! It's not up to you to send that kind of a message, you're no mod."
No, I'm no mod. If you were less busy trying to pick apart what I said, you'd see that it was a +Mod (or two) who suggested leaving comments discouraging snapshots.
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!! I did read ALL what you wrote thankyou very much! thats why I commented.. Rob everyone reads things differently and I said what I said because to me it came across rather abrupt.. and the reason why I said what I did is because that was how it felt to me.. as I said that was MY OPINION! and I felt that yes you said it was a snapshot which is what had to be said, but you could have offered some suggestions on how to improve, a bit more encouraging and bit more friendlier.. instead of saying what you did.. as I said above thats how it came across to me..
I made that comment on here because that is what it is about snapshots and opinions.. I know you didn't want to hear what I had to say and I expected this response.. but I have a right to give my view just like everyone else on here.
as for picking you apart.. I'm NOT and believe me I would have said it regardless of whoever it was..
as for that message you got.. I have no idea who that was and I don't particularly care, I said what I felt.
now as for "you'd see that it was a +Mod (or two) who suggested leaving comments discouraging snapshots". if you bother to read way back you will see that I suggested that as a solution to the posting of snapshots..
" how about if a snapshot is posted and the mods let it through they should be given a warning "please note this is classed as a snapshot, please do NOT upload anymore of this kind, this image will be archived" that way they know it's not allowed.. and it keeps everyone happy.. the mods don't get abused for allowing a snapshot.. the artist doesn't get upset by having it declined and gets to know that the COC won't except it again." which I meant that the MODS when they approved it sent the artist a PM with that message.. I'm not saying that no-one else can suggest it, but I think that it could be incorporated with some helpful suggestions along with it and be a bit more welcoming to the site.
Anyway.. I've had my say and gave my thoughts on the situation.. and as usual got blasted for it...
I'm finished with this.. and with other threads that want members "Opinons" because lets face it, when you do and others don't like it.. whats the point...
so what your saying is.. i'm having a temper tantrum because I have said what my opinion is and had to write to defend WHY I HAVE AN OPINION... forget it.. I don't have the energy to deal with this anymore.. You say and do what you want.. good luck
Sorry Darryl I was only saying my opinion, but it obviously isn't allowed.. don't worry you won't be getting any more "opinions" out of me.. i'm done with this.. its a complete waste of time and i'm not prepared to get this thrown back at me..
no don't Sandi.. you have every right starting a thread.. I just think its sad when someone tries to give their opinion and because someone doesn't like it.. you cop this kind of treatment.. its no wonder not as many members participate in threads anymore.. and I have put up with a lot on different topics...
I agree with you Sandi, there needs to be an overall standard on what is or isn't a snapshot and too many are getting through without anyone notifying the artist that it is a snapshot and should be discouraged..
but i won't say anymore on it heaven forbid i just might not agree with someone.. *yep I'm "P'd" off and its not often I am..
Actually, what I saw was 2 mods having an open debate about why they do or don't allow snapshots through (which was interesting to see, tyvm). There was a mention earlier in the thread of posting comments on such images discouraging them, but I think there was more than a touch of sarcasm behind that original suggestion.
Giving a proper Image Review should always include how to improve an image even if you are stating that it's not up to site standards. Special care should be taken with newbie members not to discourage them from posting again. Rob, while you stated "Thanks for your interest in the site, and your more artistic efforts are awaited.", it was sort of a sop after telling someone they weren't good enough - crushing as a 1st comment on their 1st upload here ever. Had you given some examples of how to keep the image from being a snapshot, and then said "Looking forward to seeing your next attempt", that would have been encouraging their efforts while discouraging that type of image. I appreciate the effort that you put into wording your message politely, unfortunately I agree with Jac that the overall message in this case didn't come across well.
*edited upon request*
Sandi, debate - handled maturely - is usually a good thing. It's one of the ways we as a society exchange ideas and opinions. Knowledge is a good thing.
In the end, while I still personally like my idea of a "Newbie" gallery, I think there is general consensus that way too many snapshots are getting through. Perhaps the best thing to do is to post on those images stating why you feel it's a snapshot, what could be done to improve it, and then notify your nearest mod so they can deal with it as they see fit. (Or just notify your nearest mod if you think it's beyond help).
Annnnd there's a reason that the PM system is in place ... and as suggested by a mod ... let the discussion initiated by this thread continue or at least get back on course.
Thanking you in advance for your due consideration to the other members that may read this.
1. Sandi, please don't hesitate to start threads about things that concern you.
2. It was ME that sent that PM to Rob & I stand behind it. It's not up to you Rob to post those kind of notes on a newbies very first post, it's up to a mod. And besides that, I don't have a problem with Cat or anyone else posting publically to Rob since apparently he feels free to post private messages on the thread it pertains to anyway, so why bother ?
I heard what you said .... let's hear what I got from it okay ?
"Hi. Firstly, welcome to Caedes.
Now that you're here, I'd like you to have a look around, and perhaps check out other work. This photo is merely a snapshot, and not quite what we, not I, come to enjoy and share on the site.
I heard.... Take a look around & check out what's acceptable on the site cuz this ain't it. And before anyone starts howling yes, Rob did tell them it wasn't up to Caedes standards !
I also heard your comment ( we, not I ) as a type of backpedaling, as though you're speaking for the site when in fact you are not. As though it was the site & not your personal opinion on the image & you really didn't wanna do it. Sort of "it's a dirty job but somebody has to do it."
"Photos such as this, which seemed to be saying "here,look at this" might be better suited on any number of social photo-sharing sites. "
Once again I'm hearing because you're not good enough for us.
"Thanks for your interest in the site, and your more artistic efforts are awaited."
And while encouraging, to me it just feels too little too late.
These are the types of comments that new members/artists find so discouraging. These are the types of comments that drive newbies right off a site. You have no idea how old this person may be, whether or not it's a teenager, a housewife, or a doctor from Brisbane.
I read your comments on that image, every single one. And I got the impression from them I was supposed to, too. Frankly I got a rather dismissive tone from your last comment.
As for temper tantrums, once again I find your attitude dismissive. How dare you try to trivilize another member's very real feelings of outrage by putting her on the level of having a childish tantrum ? A very neat way of calling someone names without actuaaly coming out & doing so. Very brave.
Climbing on your high horse & leaving the discussion that you caused doesn't mitigate the fact that you were wrong in your dealings with this newbie. And in your dealings with Jackie too.
Please, can those of you who have left non-productive and degrading comments to others on here please clean up your posts or remove them all together. We don't want to see this negative attitude towards each other in public forums.
It's not very encouraging either when you make an opinion and get abused for it!!!!! I am not removing my comments as
#1 I wrote my original comment as something which was my opinion to the incident
#2 I was attacked and pushed into a corner where I had to write to defend my actions which was ridiculous because they were MY OPINIONS (so much for freedom of speech, views and opinions)
#3 No way am I going to sit back and take that from anyone.
I apologise to everyone for how it turned out even though it wasn't me who threw the first punch.. but I will not apologise for what others have said and I DEFINATELY WILL NOT apologise for having an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darryl, its a public forum and forums are for debates.. ALL debates get heated at some point, this time it was because someone didn't like it because someone didn't bow down and had a different opinion... You say you dont want to see negative attitudes on here, what is the point of having a discussion if everyone agrees? there would be no discussion that way there are always positives and negatives in a debate.. If you feel the incident which brought this on is not a problem fine, that is YOUR opinion...
What I wrote was NOT off topic, it was a responding comment to the links which were provided.. to which I responded in (I thought) a "sensible" manner with suggestions on how it should have been written.. (The truth hurts)
Well i'm finished with all of this, I for one have learned a valuable lesson
#1 you have an opinion keep it to yourself or be prepared to get kicked in the teeth.. and then get blamed for causing the whole mess...
You know I think these forums or "discussion" should be wiped, its a waste of time having them, people open the discussion 90% of the time it gets hijacked or people who get involved can't take that others think differently to how they think.
THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!
so either delete everything (because I refuse to) or shoot it because its a waste of time or ban me because I actually had an opinion and had to defend myself....
PS.. I'm sorry Sandi, but as you can see even when you asked your question you still didn't really get the answer you asked for even with the links you provided which I agree shouldn't be posted.. but that is like every thread on here, you ask a question and you get it shot down.. BUT!! DON'T STOP WRITING OR MAKING NEW THREADS.. maybe one day they will hear and let people have an opinion..
Please, would any others here have the common sense to clean it up a bit? If not, let's carry on without the people that have not cleaned it up and decided not to post to this thread anymore.
I'm sitting here in disbelief. A few members saw fit to take me to task (publicly) for the tone of my posts on various threads in the recent past. In none of those thread entries, did I yell (all caps), resort to name calling, browbeating, or any of the other base behaviors displayed here.
I've made statements, voiced opinions, and taken stances on various things. Be it the Cindex, voting, or whatever the hell it happened to be. I took the time to read fully what others wrote, and while some of what I had to say was found to be less than palatable, I minded my manners, and at least maintained a level of civility.
What's transpired on this thread is akin to nothing less than an unchecked rampage. I'm not sure which is more shameful. The loss of self control on the part of various members, the lame effort made to reign them in (as so far they've been ignored) or the fact that their behavior seems to be ok, but mine was not.
Jacqueline, you're not only seriously short of anything resembling manners, but sense as well. The only reference I'd actually made to you, was to quote your one line "I'm not the only one who feels this way", which I followed up with quoting Lauren's PM (while attempting to actually leave her anonymous). So all that BS you've been spouting is based on...a mistake. Did you bother to ask me what I meant? No. Full steam ahead like a bull in a china shop.
Lauren, you seem to have had me in your sights for a while now, so your explosion at me wasn't actually all that surprising. Twice before, Cat had chosen to take me to task, and there you were adding your two cents as well. Fine, if we at least had some ongoing communication. Not fine, since that's pretty much the first things you've chosen to say to me in months.
Cat, a word springs to mind when I think of your treatment of me, and your behavior: sanctimonious. For as much as I'm not a mod, unless something behind the scenes took place that I'm unaware of, neither are you. I considered you to be a friend, but on at least half a dozen occasions, there you were, nipping at my heels. As for your apology for addressing that to me publicly, it's a hollow load of BS. Why? Because I've asked you several times to contact me in PM's with such issues...and you agreed. That was simply for Les' sake, but I thank him for making the effort. Sincerely.
Lastly, the overall quality of lots of posts (images) has taken a nose dive. One disaster by a newbie is one thing. Whole galleries full of disasters (that were praised by long-standing members) is another.
So it's with disappointment, anger, disgust, angst, remorse (yes, there are those members I will sorely miss)that I'm leaving. I've cleared out my gallery, so hey more room on the site already. This was once a cool,funplace. I admired the talent, and strove to meet the high bar of quality that was set by those before me. That incarnation of this place seems to be sitting dusty, on a shelf somewhere. Maybe someone will make an attempt to restore it.
Darryl.... it's clean. Do you mean is it heated ? Yes it is. But I'll tell you what. I'll make a couple of comments & then I absolutely promise to be done with this thread.
Yes, I was the author of that PM to Rob. Am I embarrassed ? Heck no. Do I stand behind my comments ? All the way baby.
Yes, I felt strongly then, & still do, that his comments on that image were wrong wrong wrong.
Yes, it would be nice if all discussions could be calm, cool, & collected. But sadly emotions often prevent this.
Like now. I feel & felt, very strongly about this. IF there is an issue with pet snapshots on the site THEN a newcomer to Caedes did NOT need those kind of comments on their very first post onsite.
NO ONE has any idea if this is a 69 year grandmother showing off her baby or a 13 year old showing off her baby and an intelligent & articulate adult should know better.
As for posting opinions on threads ?! We all have them & we all will continue to post them too.
I stand behind what I said because I know I'm right. As is Jackie & Cat.
Caedes ("corporately" -- not nec. the one cool guy who started this) wants to provide fine-art-quality wallpapers and constructive criticism to visual artists. This would be an exclusive function (as in a fine art gallery or top-flight school that doesn't admit all artists who wish to be admitted).
Caedes ("corporately") wants to provide a lively and comforting haven for all who wish to be here with their images in the hopes that better images and many good times will result. This would be an inclusive function (you want in, you're in).
How do you let everybody in and keep the standards high? You don't.
How do you keep in the good and shut out the bad without the bad-purveyors becoming distraught? You don't.
And it would seem whatever the standards are, the image mods aren't applying them with anything near uniformity.
The conflict devolves down to we, the masses, who aren't credited mutually with behaving regardless of whether we slam, pet, or ignore those posting work that seems not to meet most people's guess at what the standards are. Since there's confusion among management, the rest of us are in a lose/lose situation.
Plus, none of us -- in management or not, skilled visual artists or not -- is loved enough and wants validation everywhere all the time except when hating everybody and not caring what anybody thinks. (This, in my experience, is the standard for the human condition and not peculiar to Caedes.)
So, what am I going to do about it?
Well, I've come up with Three Brilliant Solutions that, by the next morning, showed themselves each time to be lame. I'll read some more and think some more and try again.
I do feel bad that this thread has turned out this way. Though I suppose when everyone has their voices heard there will be debate - good and bad. I do agree with the comment that after all of this we still don't have an answer to the why's of some of the postings. It just seems to go in a circle )round and around) I see nothing wrong with a nice image of browser or fluffy done nicely. I still do not understand why my caedes freind had her post denied when it was just as good and even better than some of the postings i have seen since she left.
To sum it up we have lost Rob and we have lost my friend (anyone figure out who it is?) and still the issue lingers.
I'm sad for this fact and like i said earlier i had been visiting caedes for a long time before i actually started uploading and really have been in awe of the images - serious, fun or whatever but truly enjoy this site and have seen it go down in quality.
I still stand behind my post that was taken off without any notice. Even though it had been on here a long time and drew many wonderful comments and had a decent c-index. With a click it was gone! I know your tired of me saying this stuff but i do which we could come to closure and get something actually done.
I think the key here is that Caedes is a growing community as a whole. The rules have to change with the growth. By that I mean, rules must get tougher as the image gallery grows beyond what is manageable. When I started here, an image could stay on the first page for days. Now, well you can see what it is like.
The whole snapshot thing came about by the increased pressure on members to wade through the new images. In that process I think people get tired of looking at less attractive images and beat their heads trying to come up with a solution.
The way I see to answer your Question Sandi of, "I still do not understand why my caedes freind had her post denied when it was just as good and even better than some of the postings i have seen since she left.", is us mods are trying to adapt with the site changes. Each of us has our own opinion as to image quality and whether to deny an upload pertaining to snapshots.
I'm sure everyone who was around at the time will remember the "Spring Cleaning" that was done on the permanent galleries. I didn't recieve any death threats but it was a hot hot issue at the time. This was another effort in the ever changing quality of the galleries. This is just an example for the above comment of mine.
Thanks Darryl and guess i can understand what your saying (different mods are going to decide different and that makes some sense but not sure that it is really fair. But then so many things are in life are not anyway are they. I think it's time to end this thread. We have beat our heads and made our comments and have a lost another member. Maybe we did not always agree with him but he sure had good quality images. ><
I know when i would pm him with a question he was gracious enough to answer. Sorry for all the bad karma this ended up with, and no one is to blame. S--- Happens! We are all different and we have our oponions.Just we don't handle things the same and that can make for argue.
But you know what we can do that and for that i'm thankful.
I remember the spring cleaning one day you had images on 3 pages the next you had one page or half a page.. do you still do that? just wondering because I noticed some of mine disappeared recently
Oh oh, we only had the one Jackie. Unless someone has done it on their own?
With so many images now, the possibility of getting three or four mods to decide whether one image is a snapshot is unrealistic...there lies the problem. How do you fairly approach each image other than at the upload stage?
thing is it wasn't photos.. it was a couple of fractals and a couple of manips.. "Dive into the unknown", "Floating through time" as well as a couple of others.. but i'm not worried as I have them in my folder on my HD..
I think that there needs to be a set guideline for images, maybe a checklist for the mods can be a start with eg..
Composition 1 2 3 4 5
Colour 1 2 3 4 5
give a score on each individual section then add up the scores if its under a certain figure its rejected then with the images that got over the line the image mods can give that artist suggestions on how to improve the image and that it was still a type of snapshot and that Caedes discourages it blah blah blah..
I just think that the image mods should be all on the same page with regards as what is or what isn't a snapshot..
lol Pierre.. you know that I meant that they should all be using the same sort of system and not just saying "ummm errrr is it or isn't it a snapshot" there has to be some sort of structure.. with the example i said before with the rating system, the mods could even use that in their comment to the artist by saying why they classed it as a snapshot.. eg.. compositon was not so good so it was a 2, the colour was lifeless so that was a 2, does it have appeal as wallpaper that was a 1.. just an example of how the rating can be used not only for the mods to work out whats what but it can be valuable feedback for the artist..
The trouble is J that 99.9% of people uploading a snapshot dont believe/refuse to accept that it is one purely based on their emotional attachment to it. Usually when someone is told that their image is a snap they react with hostility and dismiss any criticism of it. The best marker for what is a good snapshot here is the pets gallery in the perms, which for the most part is full of good examples of well thought out images of pets.
As a side issue but not unrelated or uncommon - repeatedly uploading the same or mildly tweaked previous rejects or uploading them to galleries other than the one they are supposed to be in, isnt going to alter that perception or the longevity of the images stay in the galleries. It just creates more needless work for the people who have to sort the images in the first place.
I should add that expecting all the mods to be able to draw the same distinct line between what is a snapshot and what isn't is probably impossible... a bit like expecting a group of people to have exactly the same opinions on what is art and what isn't, what they like and what they don't etc... so people are just going to have to accept that the moderation of the site isn't always going to be as consistent (ie perfectly so) as they'd like.
Bonnie I do feel that some are very hard to judge but some also seem so (Why in the heck was this uploaded) Anyway this is a never ending thing and i probably should not have started it.
I hate to see what all became of this thread.
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Sandi, please don't feel that way. The only way issues are resolved is if they are raised. The resolution may not be what we want ultimately, but if you don't try, it'll never happen at all.
People should be able to debate or disagree with each other without feeling like they're being personally attacked, and without being told not to voice their opinions. Sometimes, we all might need to be more careful about how we speak or phrase ourselves to make sure we're respecting each other (including doublechecking our opinion for "am I only considering my point of view and am I going to come across like a jacka** here"). We've all goofed @ points in our lives (and on this thread), it's our ability to accept it with grace and move on that lets us continue to be a community.
My personal opinion is that this went off track when some people (with encouragement) decided to self-police the uploads. While clearly there have been a number of snapshots coming through, too harsh a message can be completely discouraging. I think if you see a shot that's clearly in "whoa, why did this get approved" category, rather than saying it doesn't belong on this site, leave comments that give advice on how to improve the shot. Check into a member's life here, see how long they've been around and what else is in their gallery, and factor those in. Then notify your nearest mod, and let them make the decision about whether or not to do anything further with it. There's a reason they were selected for their positions - and most of the time, they do it well. 8P
Pet snapshots? What if it had ten eyes, purple skin, 12 appendages, and razor sharp teeth that are 16 inches long? Do I post it on Caedes, Ripley's, create a myspace page...or just report it my local environmental agency as a possible infringement?
"Let us forever cherish and hold sacred these moments...for it is our undoing ...should we forget..." -William Shakespeare ... Visit Jhihmoac's Gallery
Well,
I just got an Image "Rejected", by one of the God "Image mods",
Somethin about..."bein a Snapshot", and "Noise" and crap.... The Image was actually a Tutorial on how to create an "Out of picture" Image.
Lot of people seem to be Leavin caedes, because of some of the bullshit that is goin on. It's really interesting...
My Image gets dumped, by some "Image Mod", with a Clone Message to me....
And yet Caedes, wants people to upload the "Highest Resolution" possible.
As a PAYING member of this site...I'm startin to think...
Maby I don't need that "special" thing...under my handle.
Seems to me, alot of my friends have left this site...BECAUSE of the ADMINISTRATION of this site.
Another thing...
How come when you write a "moderator"....they NEVER write you back. Is there no "Personal" interaction on this site with the "moderators"?
Greg, I am sorry that you are upset. there has been much discussion on the threads regarding 'snapshots' and everyone agrees there are no clear parameters. Each artist has an emotional attachment to their image and that makes it difficult to step back and take a second look when a rejection occurs.
The administration of this site is one gentleman who gives of his time, knowledge and money so that we can come here and play and share. Paying is a choice that you make, to help pay for the bandwidth that *caedes has secured for us to use each day. The only rules here are a user must register and follow the Code of Conduct.
Also, the image mods are not gods. They are humans who give of their personal time & families so that we have a site to enjoy.
As for people leaving the site, well, that is their choice. I have been here almost 4 years and have seen many changes in both policies and people. The site has survived and grown tremendously in those times. We learn from our mistakes.
Hopefully you can take a deep breath, lean back, relax and enjoy the wonders that this site has to offer us.
I hope this helps you ;=)
The image was rejected as it wasnt a tutorial in any shape or form just a picture of your dog (of which you already have many in your gallery) in a pop out frame. There was absolutely no descriptive or diagrammatic information on how to do this so it could in no possible way be perceived as a tutorial. If you look at the tutorial gallery, you will see how these are presented in a step by step fashion to guide users how to create the effects being illustrated. Form letters are used to notify members of rejections or problems with uploads as the sheer number of uploads would prohibit individually explaining each and every action that is taken repeatedly uploading previously rejected images doesnt help that situation either.
1. You are not a "paying member" of this site. You are able to make a donation if you wish, that certainly doesn't entitle you to more special treatment than anyone else besides the cadre priveleges that you receive and there has never been anything to suggest otherwise.
2. "Lot of people seem to be Leavin caedes..."
"Seems to me, alot of my friends have left this site...BECAUSE of the ADMINISTRATION of this site..."
Firstly, membership numbers are increasing on a daily basis pretty much at an overwhelming level. So please don't think that making threats to leave is going to make anyone jamp for you.
Secondly, the fact is that you never would have "met" any of "your friends" in the first place if it hadn't been for this site. And it is BECAUSE of the ADMINISTRATION of this site that they came here to begin with.
3. "How come when you write a "moderator"....they NEVER write you back..."
Perhaps becuase they have better things to do than to have a pointless debate like this with someone like you who decides that they know better or that the rules shouldn't apply to them.
Well,
You're right. It wasen't a tutorial. My fault. I should have posted a link to the tutorial in the discription of the picture right then and there. My thought was, I'm pretty sure someone would have commented on the technique, and then I was going to post the link to the tutorial. I'll do it next time, and try to come up with something that doesn't have a pet in it.
Yup, of the 18 pages of Images I have....there's 5 that have my Grand Dog in them. Guess that is alot. All but one have been highly photoshoped to make it more than just a "snapshot".
I just find it sorta interesting that Caedes more than welcomes any Image to be posted as large as 3000 X 3000, so certainly Drive space is not a problem in being "selective" of posted Images. And for the Record Mr. Sam, I don't expect any more special treatment than anybody else on this site. The mistake was mine. I should have posted a link to the tutorial Immediately. I'll make sure I do that the next time.
I certainly understand what a "snapshot" type photo is...and there's alot of "snapshots" on this site, and the majority of them aren't "Pets". But I understand, that's all in the eye of the moderators....
Being as we're talking....
Maby one of you mods can answer this pointless question I've asked a few times of mods, and never recieved any reply. I'm sorry if you think it's "pointless", I guess I'm just stupid, and would like to understand why I can't get this to work. I'm pretty computer savey, but I'll be darned if I can figure this out....
When I look at an Image someone has posted, If, say the Image is 3000 X 3000, when I bring up the Largest Image, I can only see about a third of the Image, and I can't scroll the Image to see the rest of it. There's no scroll bars top or bottom. I had one friend tell me they use the "Page up and Page down", or the "arrows". That don't work either. So, as "pointless" as you may think the question is, I'd sure like to find out if it's just me that can't scroll or move a full size Image around on the screen?
Anyway, no more "pet" shots from me. :-) AND, I'll find a more acceptable image to do the pop out on and CERTAINLY post a link to the tutorial with it this time......
oh, gee, look .. a couple of them uncommunicative god-mods seems to have takin' an interest
hmmmmm, I don't seem to see YOUR input on the matter
1) .. if we can't duplicate the 'issue' it is difficult to diagnose it
2) .. the site has had issues with images at the extremes (3000x in your example) .. but, chances are it's a software issue with your browser install ... unless you can link to a specific example that we can all check
Caedes-dot-net seeks to be\and has sought to be .. a premium desktop\wallpaper source ... it is (probably) what brought you here at one point .. THAT is the reasoning behind any 'image selection', both in acceptance to the site, as well as promoting to the perms .. this, I'm sure you know despite being stupid, as you assert in your post above
the move to accept images in all aspect ratios, and larger sizes, was done to give YOU, the artist, more freedom in your artistic expression ... but it does NOT, at the same time, seek to diminish the lofty goals of this site (premium graphics source)
*caedes, himself, has also expressed a desire that fledgling artists\photographers be given a hand up, encouraged to do better\try harder .. to bring their "A" game ... hence the drive to give critical commentary .. as well as the allowance of "entry level" photographic efforts\artistic endeavors ... not everybody is the consummate professional, that you are, in your artistic\diplomatic expression
and .. there in lies the rub
the site's lofty charter goal "hat" clashes with the humanitarian "sash" we chose to accessorize with ... and then there's people who only notice the friction when it affects them, and they react by threatening to take their football and go home or regale us with anecdotes of acquaintances that have successfully left the field with their own football
instead of saying .. "gee, I don't envy the hole you've dug for yourself"
Well Keith,
I've dug holes for myself before, and probably will again.....
but you're right, I shouldn't have gone off on a rant.
I've always liked this site alot. It's the first site I post to when I want to share an Image. I've learned alot from some of the members here, and hope I've given back to some who have asked about techniques and other stuff.
Well, I ain't takin my ball and goin home....this is sorta home. But sometimes the kids get upset at the parents.
Thanks for the browser tip....that's probably it. I use IE. It was just somethin I couldn't figure out. I don't have any problem when I download the Biggest Images. Just bring it into PS and I can scroll it all I want. It's just that on other sites, when I look at a big Image, I can scroll it with the scroll bars on the side and bottom. I thought actually, that it might be something with the software Caedes uses and compatability with IE.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I well know how much work it is to keep a board like this up and running. And it IS appreciated.
I used to use IE (didn't everybody?) .. I switched to firefox, Mr Foxfire, when IE stopped working with caedes.net (I missed a year)
the problem could, very well, be with the site .. but we are having problems identifying it .. if you could link to your next image\issue, others could try it as well
Sure.
I've been postin lately at 1280 X 768 so my latest upload, there's really no scrolling to it.
Try this one. It's 1600 X 1200. When I click on that size, it comes up, but I can't do anything as far as scroll to the bottom or to the side. When I pull it up, I see the Turtle, and about a quarter of the Log. Can't see the plant in the log though, or move around the Image at all.
Well.. I have had very helpful responses from mods and other members with any help I need by asking nicely on these forums.
If it's not a needy matter I don't bother mods that much, I know what it's like to be one.
Try asking nicely as a community member and you will get help.
Greg..use your shovel to fill the hole back in...we like you hanging around ;=)...keep up that breathing!!!
i am using IE on my laptop and when I tried to view the image above at 1600x 1200..I saw the same thing you did. My computer resizes the images to my screen size..I had to click the largest size in order to see what you see....
maybe someone who is a bit more computer savvy that me can help you with that...
Glad you made the decision you did....welcome back home my friend ;=) The door is always open!
Thats cool man.
I've wanted to try Firefox for awhile...but have just..."been scared" so to speak. You know the old saying....
"If it ain't Broke, don't fix it". Well, I live by that.
I still think It's a Caedes software thing. Which I DON'T have a problem with.
I work "around" alot of little "Things".
I'd rather deal with "work arounds", than try to change the Machine....if ya follow me... :-)
Appreciate the info though. So....I'll just "live with it". :-) :-) :-( Not a real problem...just a question. :-)
Thanks Mimi,
I'll just leave the hole open. I may have to fall in it again. :-)
I find it interesting that Phil, was so up on why my Image was rejected, and yet his whole gallery, while VERY interesting, is nothing but NASA Space images....NOTHING Original at all...
Yet he seems to be an expert on "snapshots". :-) Oh well...:-)
Interesting that you saw the same thing I do. I really think it's a Caedes software/IE compatablilty thing. Not a real problem, I'm just not use to not, being able to "Scroll" a large Image.
Too many friends here, to let a little "spat" with the "parents" run ME off. :-)
Apparently it didn't take ya long to fall in it again. lol.
Well sadly Phil appears to have deleted all the images in his gallery that aren't tutorials or space images, however
1) The tutorials alone should give you an idea that the man has some skills and actually knows what he's talking about.
2) *caedes promoted him to aedile status, so clearly he thinks alot about Phil's judgement.
3) I've heard from a couple of mods that they've actually signed off before they meant to out of sheer frustration with members refusing to accept their judgements one way or another. It does absolutely nothing to help the running of this site by essentially throwing a temper tantrum and hindering the mods (and aediles) from being able to keep up their regular site business.
It is a voluntary thankless task under alot of circumstances and if you truly have a problem with the way that someone has handled it, contact *caedes. It's his site and he's the only one who can decide whether or not somebody has been out of line as HE sees it.
*hands out waterguns to everyone* now go shoot @ each other and make yourselves feel better. I get the max super soaker w/backpack tank. So there!
Heres a little test you can go try.Goto just about any site,create an account, then goto their open forum and bad mouth the admins of that site.Once youve done all that then come back here and report your findings.
not to badmouth any admin again, NEVER question a decision of any admin about ANYTHING,..... or ask ANY question about ANYTHING pertaining to the running, decision making, and governing means of Caedes. Seriously.
I will just continue to enjoy posting and viewing here, enjoy my friends, and continue to donate.
Hey Greg it's fine to question a decision, or ask questions about "ANYTHING pertaining to the running, decision making, and governing means of Caedes". It's simply a question of asking in a mature, respectful manner no matter how pissed off/frustrated you are at that moment and accepting the answer you receive. As I said above, if you truly (after calm and patient though) believe the answer you got was out of line, then the person to contact for further investigation is *caedes himself - and again, accept the answer you receive. 8)
AHA! I see you hiding behind the potted plant - *SPLOOOOOOOOSH* 8D
I'm sorry that people don't understand WHY we try to moderate submissions ... why, without an effort being made, sites devolve into a cesspool of mediocrity, girlfriends, and broken iPODs ... not to mention that most worthy images posted were 'found' elsewhere
at the risk of losing you, your wit, and your art .. I will give you the URL of just such a place
spymac.com/pictures .. by page 3, you ought to have a glimpse of your idea of Heaven .. or Hell
I understand Perfectly,
why Moderation of a BBS is necessary Keith,
and your link, honestly has nothing to do with the BBS Board that Caedes IS. Nothin what so ever....
THAT was a little OVER simplification of your point.
You ain't "Loosin me" man...
I love Caedes, and I love the PEOPLE that ARE Caedes...I ain't leavin, and nobodys runnin me off either.
Sorry Cat...
Sometimes...
I'm not all "Politically correct" and sh$#.
And don't take the "time" to "think over a subject" before I decide to respond." I can chew gum and walk, believe it or not.
In the business I was in..."reflecting" was not an option.
I've got opinions on things, and they ain't gonna change, with "time to think about it". Sorry, that's just me.
Like I said...
I Love this board, and I damn sure ain't leavin. I just ain't commintin to admins no more.
I certainly appreciate being able to support and enjoy access to a Board like Caedes.
And am proud to have it in the Links page of my little free Homepage website.
Greg, my point was that you're entitled to have opinions and express em just try not to do em in a way that's gonna make people react against you rather than try to help you. Nobody (that I know) wants people to feel like they're being shut down and can't ask questions.
You said "the business" you were in surely there have been points outside of your work where a touch of diplomacy was required now and then? Like when that wife person starts in about how you left the toilet seat up for the 9000th time? 8P However you know yourself best, and if you can't not go into it hotheaded, then perhaps for you restraining yourself altogether is better. 8)
Just for anyone's information,
The problem I've been experiencing with not being able to "scroll" a large Image, IS something to do with a mismatch with Caedes software and IE.
I loaded a portable version of Firefox, and was able to scroll the largest Images just fine with the Arrow Keys.
Sorry, I asked the question here, so thought I'd follow up here.
KRT (Kevin) is the only firefox user to mention it ..
I'd be willing to bet that browser usage is split between those on the PC end (with a little OPERA) ... with IE boasting the lion's share, due to many people "not changing a winning game" ..... as I said before, IE (for me) stopped working with Caedes for a year, when I finally switched to firefox ..
last I checked, this place is all about the downloading of images ... we even get the occasional forum thread from non-contributors when their browser "all of a sudden" goes wacky on them and prevents them from downloading
I can sympathize with you, though, .. PC wonkiness is real low on my favorite things to experience (list provided after payment)
and I speak the truth .. my PC has been wonky since June 1st
I use both. IE7 and Firefox. You must keep IE updated. No probs with either. Keith mentioned Firefox extensions. One of the coolest I've seen is called "CoolIris". After installation you just put your cursor on the blue and green CoolIris squares that show next to the link you want to open and it previews it without opening it. Its cool. Once you start using Firefox you will start using IE less. I do feel that the more Firefox is downloaded the more malware will find its way to it. One of the reasons that IE is not as safe is because it is targeted more by malware due to having the market share of users. I always use Firefox for online purchases and banking due to its safety. I also put a new post on contests. Check it out. Terry
I just got a new Laptop, and it came loaded with VISTA.
It's the coming thing, so I figured I might as well get a look and feel for it.
I was gonna do an F disc on it and load XP Pro. BUT, after lookin it over...it really ain't that bad.
I've managed to set my desktop up, just like my Desktop machine, so at least I'm "comfortable" in the new laptop.
I loaded a portable version of Firefox, and yup....I can scroll the images just fine on Caedes with the arrow keys....On my Desktop machine. I'll have to check the New IE 7 which came with my laptop and Vista, and see if I can scroll Caedes there.
Man, I tell ya....ya just can't keep up fast enough with this stuff!!!
Vista is fine if you have power.
It needs at least Dual Core and 2 gigs of RAM. At least, mind.
I do find it rather irritating but I'm waiting for SP1 to be released and I'll see what I'll see.
Personally I prefer Windows 64 at the moment but I will be aiming for Vista 64 soon..bearing in mind there will be a new OS out in a year or two ><
But I favour 64 bit OS's because I am a gamer.
I turned off the flashy windows, they kinda got on my nerves..and I don't like the fact that everything is noobified (yes its now a word).. I have to go around turning off notifications and messages and many settings that I don't want or need.
Still, once it's finally all set up..it's not tooo bad.
I'd still rather see a SP soon though.
Yea hopefully sp1 will iron most of the kinks out. I want to like it.XP hasnt crashed on me in years Vista on the other hand seems to crash quite a bit.You are right once you tweak it abit it dont run too bad I guess.Personally I dont really care what OS I use as long as it works.
I hear SP1 will be out around Dec. VISTA seems to run pretty good. I loaded Halo up and it plays just fine. This is a dual Core machine.
What aggrivates me the most, is that when I got the machine all this CRAP was loaded on it! AND Running in the background!
Seriously, it took me 2 days to uninstall and clean up the thing. AND all the crap that was installed was "trial" versions.
I feel sorry for people who don't know about computers, and when they buy a nice machine, bring it home and don't even know it's running at about half of it's capacity because of the Junk that's running and eating up resources.
I've never seen Vista crash...on several systems etc. Not once.
Perhaps there is something wrong with your setup..I've seriously never heard of this being an issue.
If it's happening all the time a SP won't help I wouldn't think...perhaps it is a driver issue.
SP1 for Vista is in Beta and is due out in a few weeks, but we will see.
All the crap in the background is for people who don't know anything about PC's, Foxfire..it is also to take advantage.
In conjunction with the premise of this thread and the discussion as of late ... had an idea ...
What about everyone chipping in and buying me a pony?
Annnnd ... I'll name her/him ... Vista and take loads of pics of Vista.
Vista eating carrots ... Vista with her/his hair in her/his eyes ... always a crowd pleaser, that one ... and so on. Heyyy !! I know ... Vista working on a pc that has Vista installed !! :oD
/\ It's a joke ... it's a joke. /\
*goes off to bother some other people who don't have ready access to torches and pitchforks*
I use IE7 on my notebook. It's my custom to view Caedes or any site for that matter with a "Full Screen". Like Greg mentioned above, I had difficulty at first trying to scroll the larger size images when they came up. I discovered through trial and error that by reducing the the original page back down to less than "Full Screen", I was now able to make the "Pop Up" image "Full Screen" (F11) and thus was able to scroll the large size image. It would seem you cannot have both the original page AND the pop up mage at "Full Screen". Don't know if I've made myself clear but if you understand my attempt to describe this quirk ... perhaps it will help some members experiencing the problem.
I saw that the "pets" thread had over 200 posts so I figured that must indicate "pets" was a popular topic. Imagine my surprise, and then delight at the quixotic nature of humans, to discover the middle of the thread was a brawl and the end of the thread was a software exploration. :) So back to the pets....... Despite my best efforts I've rarely taken a good shot of any of my pets, perhaps I lack the patience with all their moving around and having to wait for the right moment to press the button. Now we have the "your community" that helps with the pet snapshots, surely? If you click on "your community" under "navigation" you discover that photos tagged "pets" are the most common image type people have on their journals here. So I guess my instinct was right, pets are popular. DOH!
One of mine was dumped. I do know of someone who has been a caedes member for some time now who is upset over this and is leaving caedes because of it. She is not the first to leave because of this issue. Is there anything we can do as a group to get this wonderful site to reconsider. I have seen alot of posts of different subjects that though they might be very good, I would not consider them wallpaper. So why the difference between those and the pet posts. I have seen many pet photos that are so cute and wonderful that i have faved them and used them on my desktop.
Sorry for the babble here but I just wonder how others feel about this and if we can do something to change it.
Sandi