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Vote before download

sansoni7
09/01/04 6:44 PM GMT
I had an idea. Everybody who put images on Caedes feel unhappy because people don´t vote on the image but made the download, so...they like it.
I think people must vote before making the download and, perhaps votes will be more.
What do you think of it?
And Caedes Moderator what do you think of it ?
I am waiting your opinions.
César
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=xentrik
09/01/04 7:58 PM GMT
That would be a really good idea, but often an image looks quite different between the thumbnail and full size. I almost always view an image full-size (download) before voting. This is much more time-consuming, but often an image that looks really good as a thumbnail is nowhere near as good full-screen, due to poor focus, artifacting, etc. The opposite is also possible, maybe the thumbnail loses too much detail, so the thumbnail is not as good as the whole.
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::kjh000
09/01/04 8:37 PM GMT
I was going to point out something similar... IMHO one can't really judge a picture fairly unless you view it in full rez. It wouldn't make much sense to force people to vote before they can have a chance to actually see the image.

(As I remember it one does get a reminder to vote during each download as long as you are not caedes cadre and don't vote often enough. I never figured it out in the beginning how it worked though since I always voted but always got the reminder... ^_^)
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bjb
09/01/04 8:47 PM GMT
With all that understood would there be any possible way to at least require a vote before an image is saved to HD or favs?
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sansoni7
09/01/04 8:56 PM GMT
Ok, discussion is here.
In spite of all the opinions i think it must have a way to «force» people to vote.
We need more ideas !
César
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*caedes
09/01/04 9:04 PM GMT
I have come to realization that forcing people to vote is not a good idea because people are not inclined to do their best job while a gun is to their head (figuratively speaking).
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sansoni7
09/01/04 9:12 PM GMT
I think it isn´t forcing to vote, it is asking a contribution to the download...
Some people on Caedes may upload one image by day,and others may upload two of them and there is no problem...that´s the rules and it´s OK.
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::kjh000
09/01/04 9:22 PM GMT
I agree caedes, some other body part should be subject to that. ^_^ No seriously. I really agree with caedes. Voting is only a bonus as I see it. It's nicer to know someone have viewed your image and perhaps even downloaded it to the HD. (I have thousands of images on my HD and I only commented on maybe 2000. ^_^ But I do vote on a majority of the images I look at. It's really not an accurate way to assess the quality of an image anyway as is evident from the debate regarding the Spring Cleaning.

Commenting is nice and really more important then voting and c-index. Once you don't get so many comments either I guess it's a drag. ;D (I think so at least.) What really ticks me off is actually people voting and obviously not viewing it full rez. I know many have slower connections but I rather have them not voting when they actually never seen the image for real.
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J_272004
09/01/04 9:34 PM GMT
You cant force people to vote unfortunately.... if you made it so that you had to vote before downloading, you will probably find that there will be a drop in downloads and views... so thats what will have to be looked at also... maybe it can be designed so that when a pic is downloaded you have to vote before you can close it.. if people dont want to vote they can always put 0 or 1 or whatever.. its not that hard or time consuming to click on a number... just as fast as clicking on close.... :) When i first looked at caedes i wasnt a member.. and i found that being a guest on here you couldnt vote...but u could download.. maybe it should be so that anyone can vote.. not just members.. that would boost up the voting stats... (just a thought)...

I agree with Xentrix you cant tell by the thumbnail what a pic is really like, and yes most look better resized eg. fractals for their details.. and focus...etc.... especially if your going to use it as wallpaper...
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LiquidguitarJP
09/02/04 2:11 AM GMT
Yeah someone brought this up in the "Construtive critisism" ..and yes i agree and will ..but prolly not before I download prolly before i comment. ..im a new man thanks to that topic board. haha.
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::Radjehuty
09/02/04 2:26 AM GMT
I agree that we can't really force people to vote. I admit to voting only to images that I feel deserve it. I think we should encourage people to vote, yes, but If you know something that obviously looked like it was just thrown together, you probably wouldn't vote. I think that we should also not vote really low if we feel an image is bad. I might give them some type of criticism, but I never give a 0 - 5 vote. I don't like to be the one to bring down the scores :)
The only time I ever give "0"'s out is when people want them, as when they make MS paint pics :D
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::noobguy
09/02/04 3:20 AM GMT
if anything, people should be forced to download before voting. for the reasons xentrik stated.

you shouldnt be voting on an image without seeing the full size. it pains me to see that people are not only doing this but encouraging it.
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rustectrum03
09/02/04 3:56 AM GMT
once again...
i feel the number of votes and the number of dls should be counted as they already are, and that count should limit uploads...two birds with one stone. It only makes sense that you should look and help out the community to receive help from it.
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Gonzo2305
09/02/04 9:14 AM GMT
I can't understand why people are after votes that much. Of course, it's always nice to see that many people have looked at your work and maybe it'll give some ego boost to some, but you can't really force people to vote, because some simply don't want to decide.

When sowing your seeds, you never get 100% plants. Forcing people to vote would be like forcing 100% of your seeds into plants, and that is impossible. There are always some seeds that are catched by the crows. That's how life works.

I see it like that: If I don't get the needed votes for my pic to advance into the permanent gallery, then either my picture wasn't good enough (so that means I have to advance) or it means I didn't hit the taste of most of the people... but that's ok, there's no need to be on top all of the time.

Just my thoughts on that.

Cheers
Heiko
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trisbert
09/02/04 3:05 PM GMT
Cesar, there is merit in encouraging people to vote. However we need to see an image full size before we can evaluate it and decide its worth. How often has an image surprised you by looking much better or worse after you saw it full size?

Some other sites only allow you to upload an image after you cast 5 votes. So if you want to upload 5 images each week you would have to vote 25 times a week.

I would prefer to leave it the way it is. If my image is good it will be noticed, if it isn’t good it will be ignored :-)
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rustectrum03
09/02/04 3:57 PM GMT
~Absolutely if an "image is good it will be noticed", but what if you're a newbie trying to learn the way to make your pics better...that is a just as important aspect to this site. And possibly the most important. This is a learning community.
~To back up my idea, one of the major problems is that there is/was a upload quality/quantity problem...often you become more critical of your own work by being critical toward others.
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LiquidguitarJP
09/03/04 2:06 AM GMT
I hope you all know that i now am doing that, viewing at full screen before anything ..it REALLY helps ..dont be lazy.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid -I used to be frightened of dying I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My most famous image: Speaking Words of Wisdom
sansoni7
09/03/04 7:23 AM GMT
I think that giving an oppinion is free, so if we dowload an image to see it better is why we have a little interest on it, so....we must vote , low or high, because is our tribute to the Art.
In spit, i am very glad with this discussion, and i think freedom to vote is so important then freedom to create, because of this I VOTE. ( if i like and even i don´t like).
Thanks all for your opinions, and ... VOTE!
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::CaptainHero
09/03/04 6:39 PM GMT
Jacqueline: If anybody could vote (not just members) how would you know who had voted? and how could you stop an unscrupulous member logging off and then voting as a guest to give 10's to all their images?

See this news item on vote cheating.
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LiquidguitarJP
09/03/04 7:45 PM GMT
How do you get to that page? Besides clicking on the text. haah.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid -I used to be frightened of dying I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My most famous image: Speaking Words of Wisdom
::CaptainHero
09/04/04 9:29 AM GMT
By displaying 'all news' on the main page.
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J_272004
09/04/04 1:18 PM GMT
Thanks Captain for pointing that out to me... i didnt think of that... it would probably be abused by people voting 10 for their own work.... guess that idea is out the window... lol.. oh well back to the drawing board... lol..
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::stuffnstuff
09/04/04 3:36 PM GMT
No new ideas here, but I don't think requiring a vote for images saved to the HD will help. I look, vote, and comment, but I don't store many on my hrd disk. I only do that if I have ohter reason for them to be there, which isn't often. I am sure there are others who are like me.
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Paws_of_GT
09/04/04 7:33 PM GMT
A forced vote isn't really a vote I want, it kinda negates the idea of the whole idea...
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LiquidguitarJP
09/04/04 7:45 PM GMT
Exactly ..and iif your forced to vote you might just vote 0 or anything without any real thought.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid -I used to be frightened of dying I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My most famous image: Speaking Words of Wisdom
bjb
09/05/04 9:54 PM GMT
I think we're just right back to common courtesy here but kudos to you Cesar for trying again. ;) I'm with you. It's a freedom and my pleasure to vote. Takes no time at all given I'm already there and viewing.
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::noobguy
09/05/04 9:54 PM GMT
There is a vote download restriction. So you are probably getting forced votes sometimes (by non regulars who download too much then are forced to vote) even tho u dont realize it.
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LiquidguitarJP
09/06/04 2:20 AM GMT
humph ..i didn't know that ...but then again I guess I could be considered a regular. I guess that is a good idea though.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding (abortion) -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My lonely image: Father and Son
::noobguy
09/06/04 12:40 AM GMT
BJ stop watching my computer!
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bjb
09/06/04 4:42 PM GMT
lol. It's your big eye on this screen not mine! But, this is way passed weird now. ;0
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::noobguy
09/06/04 5:42 PM GMT
shhhhhhh, no one is to know the eye is real!
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LiquidguitarJP
09/06/04 7:38 PM GMT
lol.
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LiquidguitarJP
09/06/04 7:39 PM GMT
Now you freaked me out as I stare into "the eye" ...whooo owoowhhw ooww
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Lozaa
09/14/04 7:19 PM GMT
I would suggest that somehow you factor the number of downloads to hard drive (not just views) into the c:index. It would be difficult to balance it properly, but it could work. You could also use the ratio of views:dowloads in the c: index, which would be easier mathematically
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::CaptainHero
09/14/04 7:27 PM GMT
The ratio of views:downloads is already in the c-index. In fact, it's always been in the c-index, although the emphasis on it has changed.
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::noobguy
09/14/04 8:03 PM GMT
i think he means take into account how many people save it to their harddrive, which as far as I know, cant really be recorded, sorry :-/
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::CaptainHero
09/15/04 9:44 PM GMT
Yeah, I can't think how you would do that. There might be some way of recording if somebody right-clicks and saves but I can't think how you'd code that.
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::noobguy
09/16/04 2:23 AM GMT
caedes would have to write his own program for transferring images to the hard drive using a java console or some external software I suppose
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::CaptainHero
09/16/04 6:42 PM GMT
I can imagine alarm bells going off on people's firewalls!
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mythica
09/17/04 6:28 AM GMT
I agree with bjb, there is involved here basic human courtesy. You love an image - download it - USE it - its FREE - A vote is quite cheap! And a way of saying thanks. Perhaps if the voting was done at the same time as either download or comment. ie, you write a comment (or not) and choose your vote - at the same time, then the page only has to refresh once not twice. (Like a small form) This may make the voting/commenting more appealing.
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trisbert
09/17/04 7:04 AM GMT
I like that idea Mythica. I think a small form would be a practical and workable idea. Perhaps it could be incorporated into the comment panel.
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sansoni7
09/17/04 7:19 AM GMT
I am with Mythica, too.
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::JOHANNA
09/17/04 8:41 AM GMT
Agree with Mythica.
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+Samatar
09/17/04 1:07 PM GMT
I recall someone suggesting that once. Not sure if it was on the dev site or not (that would be the best place for it though).
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::Greasle
09/18/04 5:03 PM GMT
I stil think its double.. Downloading is Voting. Downloading shows that people are intrested in a wallpaper. The most popular wallpaper gets the best rating.
This voting is just anoying. its the big minus from caedes.
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::noobguy
09/18/04 5:40 PM GMT
not true, I've downloaded many images to realize i didnt like it as much as I thought I would, or just downloaded it because I saw the thumbnail and thought "what the heck" and had to make sure my eyes werent decieving me. Voting is important, I dont think you should have to comment every time you vote, but maybe would work the other way "vote if u are going to comment"
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::Greasle
09/18/04 7:04 PM GMT
it just dont work for me....
In the beginning i voted
after a while it was anoying and I voted just to get rid of the message ( not a serious vote just the first number that catched my eye) So there is no controle people vote seriously And so the vote-rating is not acurate. Download rating is much more acurate.
Anny way... I stoped voting for a while.. and the anoying messages are gone by them selves.I dont know why . Maybe its my browser or the weird popup killer or some weird plugin it uses. Actualy i hope it was Caedes that relieved me from the anoying messages.
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::noobguy
09/18/04 9:35 PM GMT
thats pretty sad to hear
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=xentrik
09/19/04 3:21 AM GMT
Actually, it's donating to the Caedes Cadre that turns off the undervote warning. Along with the ads at the top of the screen. So if you don't want to vote, donate! :)
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::Greasle
09/19/04 11:09 AM GMT
hm.... it was gone before i donated... and i think I wont have donated if it was not gone.
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::noobguy
09/28/04 8:34 PM GMT
I saw an image earlier with 16 views, 6 downloads, and 11 votes with a raw rating of 92
An image by the same artist right next to it with 19 views 8 downloads and 12 votes with a raw rating of 90

anyone still think we should vote before download?
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::Radjehuty
10/01/04 4:56 AM GMT
I am having the opposite happen. I think that if a person votes on an image, it should cause an automatic download. Why would you vote on an image based on sheer thumbnail quality?
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Greasle
10/01/04 12:31 AM GMT
good point !!!!
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