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Adult Images?

wonderful
09/07/04 2:37 PM GMT
how far can we push the envelope on this one?, i've done some illustrations recently, but they're tasteful. what would be acceptable within the vision of caedes.net?
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::CanoeGuru
09/07/04 3:31 PM GMT
My guess is that you can go ahead and upload it and the mods would decide whether they feel it is appropriate for Caedes.
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wonderful
09/07/04 4:50 PM GMT
fair enough i guess, we'll see what transpires
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=xentrik
09/07/04 4:54 PM GMT
CanoeGuru is correct. But also, try to use your judgement. The site is frequented by many people under 13, and also by many parents. If there's something borderline, the mods will consider it and discuss amongst ourselves when necessary.
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wonderful
09/07/04 5:18 PM GMT
that was my concern, i figured it would have to be within reason
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::stuffnstuff
09/07/04 9:19 PM GMT
Nothing too bad, okay? Even if it is off limits for the younglings (like myself). Many internet protection programs cut out the whole site if something is bad on it; for instance, one I know of won't let the user go to yahoo.com, because of subsites and links. Now that is sad. Please don't take this site away from me...
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LiquidguitarJP
09/07/04 10:53 PM GMT
Yeah, plus this site is so family friendly. and I think and I'm sure more agree with me that we want it to stay like that. ..but also I haven't seen the image. ..and i mean after all it is art and like the Greek art has naked people in it all the time. ...but again I haven't seen the image.
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wonderful
09/07/04 11:38 PM GMT
well, if anyone wants to check for themselves, PM me for a link
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::CanoeGuru
09/08/04 1:04 AM GMT
I feel sure that the mods would use the utmost discretion in deciding what would be suitable to post so that we wouldn't need to worry about it being offensive.
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"Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night" - Edgar Allan Poe
prismmagic
09/08/04 3:46 AM GMT
This subject was covered under the post Censorship and Freedom of Expression with no end result. Good luck on this subject. It will not be answered. It was ignored.
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Art is the perception of the creator. Meaning is the perception of the viewer. acceptance is the perception of society.
=xentrik
09/08/04 4:06 AM GMT
I don't think you can say it was "ignored" after 123 posts. The problem is that there is no clear "line", no definite answer. I was hoping to avoid reopening that discussion. Right now, the system exists such that you can upload anything you want. Anything. The mods exist to hold the site to the NTV code, noted in the Code of Conduct. If there is something borderline, the mods will consider and potentially discuss it before sending it out for general consumption. In the end, caedes is the man with the ultimate power over what's posted on this site, and has selected the mods to help in this regard.
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::noobguy
09/08/04 4:35 AM GMT
In the great popularity of caedes.net. It technically is still a personal home page, soley owned by caedes, and he can do whatever he wants with it. He could shut it down tommorow. In these discussions we attempt to pursuade the mods who have more direct influence than us, and also caedes, in hopes that our ideas are excepted. If not, we can kick and scream all we want, but there is nothing we can really do about it. The good thing about the site is that caedes seems to be pretty understanding and excepting, and also willing to change. As well as the mods. I say, try your best to bring your ideas to the table and convince others, but once a topic has been "beaten to death" like alot have been. Just let it go. There is no money involved in the site, and in the end, its really not that big of a deal.

Just my ranting, feel free to ignore it, hehe
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=xentrik
09/08/04 7:18 AM GMT
I apologize if I came off strongly, but I feel, as you said noob, that it's been beaten to death. The problem with the "Censorship" topic was that it was an attempt to set a line that cannot be defined and is always moving. I agree that "adult" images can be done tastefully and with artistic merit, but there are many people here of differing backgrounds who would disagree. It says nothing against the artist if an image is chosen not to be displayed; just that it is not appropriate for an open community such as this.
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::CaptainHero
09/08/04 5:00 PM GMT
Man, not this discussion again...

I think the site works well as it is, and, as Anthony said, it's caedes' site ultimately, he can do what he damn well pleases.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
prismmagic
09/10/04 5:23 AM GMT
When I said it was ignored. I meant the owner of the site never made a comment on the subject he just let it play out and go away. Otherwise it was never recognized it was ignored. He stayed neutral on the subject. So they’re for it eventually just went away.
But I do agree this subject has been burnt out to oblivion. But I do think that the site has become a little more liberal do to the input from the other post. So there for things have in a way, have changed for the better.
Remember it takes time for progress. It doesn’t happen over night.
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+Piner
09/10/04 1:51 PM GMT
Well, I hadn't even seen this discussion until a day after I brought up Wonderful's image imaginary girl in the Mods disscussion. The Mods and I that commented in that discussion, and even Caedes himself had positive comments, so I placed it in the "New Images" gallery.
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
*caedes
09/10/04 5:55 PM GMT
Since when am I the overlord? =)
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-caedes
::CaptainHero
09/10/04 5:59 PM GMT
You are the great almighty overlord and wise-one of the domain that is Caedes ;-)

*genuflects*
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
wonderful
09/10/04 6:37 PM GMT
ALL HAIL!
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LiquidguitarJP
09/10/04 7:38 PM GMT
lol.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding (abortion) -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My lonely image: Father and Son
+camerahound
09/10/04 9:20 PM GMT
Are there people out there who still believe Caedes actually exists? ; P
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*caedes
09/10/04 10:52 PM GMT
I don't know how that post got changed. I actually meant to say "Since when am I the puritan overlord?" That would have made more sense in the context of the conversation. =\
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-caedes
::noobguy
09/11/04 7:59 AM GMT
haha, that would have changed the entire conversation thereafter.
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::CaptainHero
09/11/04 10:00 AM GMT
Tracy: we have to humour him by saying that he is real. How many times do I have to tell you? He'll never pass the Turing test at this rate...!
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
d_spin_9
09/12/04 12:49 AM GMT
it would be a hard line to draw, but i would say just go by what is tasteful, i know everyone has different opinions, so the mods will just have to make the rules but personally i dont find imaginary girl to be tasteful, while i like moonlight princess . maybe im jumping into a discussion where i dont belong, but i thought i'd just share my opinion
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Paws_of_GT
09/12/04 1:10 AM GMT
While I agree there are children that roam these hallowed halls of digital art mastery, even the classics contained nudes, & some of those hang in galleries where schools are taken on tours.

I don't think "Money shots" is something we should have here, but so long as the general consensus is that the art is tasteful & of an artistic nature, then so be it, let them hang amongst the rest of the images Caedes gives a home too.

Is this not a digital version of the Louvre?
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wonderful
09/12/04 3:33 AM GMT
oh, thats a good way to put it GT, digital louvre.
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+Piner
09/12/04 3:40 AM GMT
Paws correct, the definition of art is subjective. "What is tasteful art?" is a very grey area, and as ImageMods it makes our jobs a challenge sometimes.

I have threes things to say about "Imaginary Girl" and why it was accepted ...First off it had artistic merit and showed an involved effort by the member "wonderful". It deserves to be viewed and voted on by the members, (remember: your views and votes help us decide what stays and what goes).

Second, imagine if they had kept all those masterpieces, that portrayed a nude, in some dusty cellar, out of the public's view,...or think of the great loss if they painted over the inside of the Sistine Chapel!

Who knows, wonderful might be the next Boris Vallejo!

Third thing...Read my signature below.

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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
LiquidguitarJP
09/12/04 4:19 AM GMT
yeah I guess that is true GT.
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-Graceless intrusion... Are you sanctified in your judgment of me? -Someone else's fate We are deciding (abortion) -I can see much clearor now I that I'm blind -I used to think death was the end -John Petrucci ...†Carpe Diem†... My lonely image: Father and Son
Paws_of_GT
09/12/04 10:06 AM GMT
Piner, I am glad "Imaginary Girl" made it into the site, it is a fantstic piece of art.

& as rightly mentioned, we have the ever growing posse of mods to keep an eye on our innocent eyes & souls on here, so job well done & keep it up. =]
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::CaptainHero
09/12/04 10:21 AM GMT
As Tom pointed out (or at least inferred) it was accepted to the 'new images' and as such will be voted on and commented on by members. Whether it makes it to the permanent galleries remains to be seen.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
::stuffnstuff
09/12/04 8:28 PM GMT
I will admit I voted poorly on "Imaginary Girl", but then again I didn't take several minutes to study it. :-) I suppose images of that style do have quality in them, but I don't like the idea of a specified "porn" gallery on here, and finding an occasional picture of that sort in the regular galleries sounds even less appealing. If it really is artistic in many ways, often in ways I don't see, then go ahead and keep it on. On the other hand, if an image has high veiws, downloads, and rankings because it is, um, enticing (for lack of a better word), then that is wrong. There are plenty of sites on the web for sicko's, and this doesn't need to become one. Please note that I am doing my best to be open minded, I don't want to offend anyone, and I am not trying to appear overly negative.
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d_spin_9
09/12/04 9:01 PM GMT
agree with stuffnstuff
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Paws_of_GT
09/12/04 9:24 PM GMT
[quote]I don't like the idea of a specified "porn" gallery on here[/quote]

I don't think that is what is being enquired about.
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::stuffnstuff
09/12/04 9:32 PM GMT
Look at the Discussion Subject...is there any other meaning? Please correct me with your veiws if you disagree with mine.
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-those who hit rock bottom are too concerned with self pity to realize that they are lying on an anvil- Psalm 66:10, Job 10:8
Paws_of_GT
09/12/04 10:06 PM GMT
I think I covered my view very clearly with my first post in this thread, there is a huge difference between artistic adult images & porn.

The discussion subject is about artistic adult images, not full on money shot porn images.

& judging by the image "Imaginary Girl" I can see images of that flavour have a place here, so long as they are kept tasteful & are not too extreme.
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bjb
09/12/04 10:10 PM GMT
We have three young members and strong contributing artists on this discussion already so far who, if I am reading them correctly, would rather not see these images pop up in the new images gallery. A seperate gallery gives members more of a choice to view or not to view. If they want that type of art then they will go there and still not miss them as new images, yes? I support the reasons Tom gave for allowing Wonderful's photo on the site but as Mike said, we have young ones here. My children are often in the office with me and I have to admit that although I found Wonderful's photo tasteful in the adult world, I did wait until my children were away to view the new images that day. Even Wonderful entitled this post using the word "Adult".
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::stuffnstuff
09/12/04 10:28 PM GMT
I agree with B.J. Seperate galleries would be nice. The problem with me is that many of the "classics" contain too much already. If the image could be considered sensual, which most classics wouldn't I believe, then I think this site is the wrong place for it. If there is a seperate gallery, I can choose not to go there, but if there isn't, I would rather not choose to not come to this site. I am not against artistic adult images for others, Taz, but seperation would be nice. Could I suggest a seperate branch under the illustrations genre? I hope the same doesn't have to be done for the photography genre.
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-those who hit rock bottom are too concerned with self pity to realize that they are lying on an anvil- Psalm 66:10, Job 10:8
+Piner
09/12/04 10:34 PM GMT
The last thing we want is for caedes to become a porn site. As ImageMods it is our duty to make sure that the NTV standard is upheld. Most of the members never get to see the ones we reject outright.
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
bjb
09/12/04 11:58 PM GMT
Of that I'm certain and most appreciative! ;0
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=xentrik
09/13/04 3:14 AM GMT
I wasn't trying to make you out to be the "puritanical overlord", caedes, just saying that when there's a question, you have the veto power. :-p
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bjb
09/13/04 5:00 AM GMT
I am recanting my suggestion only because I've thought about it and know it wouldn't work either. Just this topic title alone brought our young users here. They didn't have to click, but they did. I had thought too that perhaps this might protect the adult image artist from low votes as well. I certainly don't condone low voting just because an image is not your cup of tea. Thumbnails alone usually are sufficient enough for me to know whether I should just pass it by or not. There was no need for our young artists to go further than that, but just as they did into this post and onto those images, they could to a seperate gallery as well. Oh well. Honestly though, I've yet to see any image put through on here (whether my personal taste or not) that I questioned the mods decision on towards giving it a chance. I certainly can't be mom to all the younger generation on here but I do want them to know I support their right to be here and develop creative and safe outlets for themselves. I don't think this site is headed anywhere near the direction with what's been uploaded thus far to warrant you not being here with us. My guess is you see far worse in your every day living away from Caedes. I'm sorry to say. ;(
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+tbob
09/13/04 5:39 AM GMT
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bjb
09/13/04 6:32 AM GMT
removed because it was a response to tbob's comment which has since been removed.
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+Piner
09/13/04 7:12 AM GMT
Geez, if a simple drawing of a human figure upsets you, then you wouldn't last 5 minutes in a college art class where it is normal for them to have nude models pose for the class. There is nothing about the image that will "corrupt" a person's mind. Calling the image obscene is utter nonsense. I ran the image past a handful of friends that also are raising their own kids, they saw nothing negative about the image... in fact one of my friends that is a shrink commented that, "if someone considered that image as nasty or bad, then chances are that the person has some mentally buried sexual issues."
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
Paws_of_GT
09/13/04 8:45 AM GMT
Kids see much worse than that image in biology classes at school....

Let alone what gets shown on TV every day.
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+camerahound
09/13/04 11:40 AM GMT
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. HERE
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::noobguy
09/13/04 1:17 PM GMT
I have yet to post my oipinion on the subject, because I think that the way its setup now should work just fine. The mods are pretty smart individuals and they wont let anything too horrid onto the site. But I would just like to give my input on that particular image. I personally disagree with it being a great piece of art. Unlike nude models in college, or "some" of the classic nude peices. This model is not being shown for the beauty of the human body or the human form. This is simply a sexual piece of art. The image is of a nude woman posing in a a flirtatious manner, flashing her bottom and with her nude chest purposefully drawn into the image. The image is obviously intended to be sensually alluring and not an expressiion of the human form. Its even titled as if its supposed to be of some kind of sexual fantasy or dream. Besides Piner, as u said, nude models are used in college, not middle school or high school. And this image is not educational like biology Paws. I dont personally like it, because its plain, too much empty space, and the figure is too simple for my taste, tho I do like the curvature used in the hair. And I dont know if young children (I've seen 12 yr olds on the site) should be looking at a sexual piece of "artwork". They are the ones we are protecting, and it so happens that they are the ones most opposed to it in this discussion. I think wonderful has some artistic skill and perhaps can bring us some art much better than this. This is apperant in the images c-index. I gave it a 5 because by the discussion I expected to see some fantastic image that was sexual in nature but just too good to keep off the site. Instead I got a bland image with a simple drawing of a woman "asking" for sex on the side.
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::CaptainHero
09/13/04 6:45 PM GMT
I think we've already covered this many times.

The mods will prevent us from seeing any pornographic images. The image in question is not pornographic by any stretch of the imagination. Like any other image it will be judged on it's artistic merit and if it's not good enough it won't make it to the permanent galleries. That is the system and thus far it has not let us down.

Nuff said.
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::noobguy
09/13/04 7:45 PM GMT
Well I wasnt really covering the topic of adult images, as I stated the system is fine. I was just analyzing that particular image.
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::CaptainHero
09/13/04 8:22 PM GMT
Yes I appreciate that. I wasn't reacting purely to your post.
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::noobguy
09/13/04 8:30 PM GMT
no problem
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::CanoeGuru
09/13/04 8:34 PM GMT
There will always be differing points of view on all styles of art. While, in my opinion, Imaginary Girl is definately a suggesitve image I do not find it at all offensive or vulgar. I think there is a place here at Caedes for this type of image. Also, take a look at the image Torso. This could be considered suggestive as well, but has great artistic merit. I think that the mods are doing a great job of analyzing the images that are presented to them and agree with Matthew that the current method of display is working.
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::noobguy
09/13/04 8:39 PM GMT
I like torso, I think its much more well done artistically.
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::Greasle
09/13/04 8:48 PM GMT
hmmmm.......what would be acceptable within the vision of caedes.net? one of my painting-wallpapers
is been removed cause of this Adult thing.

A other painting is accepted. The last one is more erotic in my eyes.

What is going on ? 2 differend adult judgers ? or just blindes?

Well,...its a american side. You cant expect much on erotic/adult tollerance
The famous painter Peter Paul Rubens must be a pervert.
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::CanoeGuru
09/13/04 8:52 PM GMT
Anthony, this is my point, everyone is going to have a different point of view on what is "artistic" But I think neither is vulgar or offensive.
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::noobguy
09/13/04 9:07 PM GMT
all of those images u linked too are very artistic and well done, some of them I still may not show to my kids but few. they are all also drastically different in style and presentation than imaginary girl.

btw your first link didnt work, I dont think your site allows hotlinking, perhaps linking to the gallery it was in.

and Rebecca, they are not vulgar or offensive to me, but its not me, or you, that we are protecting with censorship. anyways, my last post on the topic.
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::CaptainHero
09/13/04 9:10 PM GMT
I too couldn't get the first link to work.
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::CanoeGuru
09/13/04 9:12 PM GMT
No link for me either :)
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::stuffnstuff
09/13/04 9:12 PM GMT
I won't even bother with those, sorry. I think the last two images I linked to were mroe than I needed.

I agree with Anthony a while back up. College is for "old people", and they have a choice to take the class. And as for Taz, I suppose some biology books over expose in a way not delaing with a flash, but it depends what grade level and what school. Also, I don't know many who scan those pictures and use them as desktop images. ;-) No harm intended. I completely agree with Anthony that the purpose of "Imaginary Girl" isn't to show the "beauty of man" in a pure sense, but to be seductive, and entice the veiwer. I perosnally think that is wrong. Should an image include the things that differ male from female? Should art? As for Tom's friend that is a shrink, I agree with that too, but if someone is burying an old sin, usually that is because it was immoral/wrong, and any suggestive images found would just encourage it to come up again. Nobody has a perfectly clean slate, myself included, but this image does offend me. If it doesn't offend the majority, then keep it on the site, but please keep it from finding me on its own.
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-those who hit rock bottom are too concerned with self pity to realize that they are lying on an anvil- Psalm 66:10, Job 10:8
Paws_of_GT
09/13/04 9:24 PM GMT
I was never backwards in coming forwards as a kid, that had a lot to do with the way I was brought up & the things I was taught from primary school through high school. & that was without the benefit of sex education classes & such as kids have these days.

Then again my eyes were opened too many things not in a classroom or from my parents but from my peers, it's amazing & often forgotten what kids learn or see in a playground... Worth bearing in mind I think.

& again, if it is too risque or far too graphic/dubious we have the stop gap of the mods.

I see no reason why a gallery cannot be placed for those who have work of that nature that is select & tasteful enough for public display. If it ain't your thing you don't have to look. If your kids wanna look at something & get cheap thrills/whatever, they will not be mooching some desktop art site for their jollies when their is a wide selection of stuff ready available al across the net.

Remember people, we are talking about community members here, fellow artists who take part in the daily life of this site, this is not the People Vs Larry Flint. It's giving artists who have a flair for a certain style or theme the chance to show their skills & talent...
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::stuffnstuff
09/13/04 9:40 PM GMT
I agree, although you tend to be open and blunt. Thanks.
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Paws_of_GT
09/13/04 10:31 PM GMT
I am rough around the edges ja, I concur. >:]

I just don't see the point of beating around the bush if I have a point I would like to make/contribute that I feel is of some value in a discussion/debate. =]
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