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Modification to the Voting and Upload system

*caedes
03/14/09 11:05 PM GMT
I made some changes to the Upload and voting booth today. Now, if you wish for your image to appear in the voting booth and get a c-index, you will have to vote on 10 images. This goes for those in the Cadre as well. You do not have to vote on any images in order to upload an image. Your uploaded image will just not be voted on and will not get a c-index. When you view the "step #1" upload page, you will be notified if you have voted enough to allow the image to appear in the voting booth.

This will effectively allow people to decide whether they wish to participate in the voting booth and c-index system.
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-caedes

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::Jimbobedsel
05/19/09 10:27 PM GMT
To me, it's not an issue. I was just wondering what was causing it. Let me see if I have this straight.....The upload limit was compromised by the infusing of additional images at which no authority had been approved, thus causing the system to go haywire and spit out bad information. (I spelled every word right, but I have no idea what I wrote.) LOL.

Jimbob
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PLEASE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
::cynlee
05/19/09 11:10 PM GMT
Jimbob, I think you need to flip your sign. lol
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*caedes
05/19/09 11:44 PM GMT
Les's statement above was actually a quote from me, so I'll do my best to clarify. There are two situations that can cause the odd (you need to vote on 13 (or so) images" error.

1. If you lose your Cadre status after uploading two images the system will say "he's uploaded 2 images but he should only have uploaded 1 so I'm gonna make him pay".

2. If you upload an image and then delete it before it has been approved, you'll be able to upload another image right away. However due to the odd way that we do the image approval, the image can be accidently un-deleted by a Senate member. This would effectively have you with two uploaded images (or three) while your official limit was lower.

We can fix both of these with a single change, but I'd prefer to not do it too hastily. I'll be giving it some thought though.
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-caedes
::Hottrockin
05/19/09 11:58 PM GMT
"but I'd prefer to not do it too hastily"

Shall I heat up the griddle sir??

People 'round here will want some pancakes if they gotta wait a while!!

~grabs an extra skillet~

Sausage is soundin' good too!! Patties & links...'cause ya gotta please all baby!!

8~O
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
+purmusic
05/20/09 12:02 AM GMT
If you recall, Cindy ... the other day ... you were sans ':' ('non-Cadre', for lack of a better term) for a portion of the day. (Perhaps, you didn't notice?)

And I suspect that this timeframe is quite relevant to what you encountered and now bearing in mind *caedes' elaboration in his above post.

So... it would appear that you 'fell between the cracks' of the site's system for a short duration.


@ Jim:

Makes perfect sense to me?

:oP
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::Hottrockin
05/20/09 12:09 AM GMT
...so??...you're lOOkin' for a short stack or a BIG boy plate??

~gives Les some crayons & a Big Chief Tablet to play with~
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::cynlee
05/20/09 12:15 AM GMT
Not correct, Les. I know I was non-Cadre the other day, but that 'odd' thing happened to me several weeks earlier. Must have been something else, but similar. I think we can live with it if it only happens under special circumstances. Won't hurt me to vote on a few more images anyway. Just was a tad puzzling at the time.
Thanks for letting us know that you were/are aware that it does happen.
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+purmusic
05/20/09 12:16 AM GMT
I'm gonna use alllll purple for this one ...

And but of course, purple calls for a Big Boy plate. Please and spank me. :oP


(*gets to work on his next masterpiece ...*)

(*takes a nibble off of the purple crayon ...*)

... ...

Blecch! Ptooey!!

Nothing like grape, at all!! >:o|
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::Hottrockin
05/20/09 12:17 AM GMT
Yeah, I agree...it's happened to me a couple times the last month or two (whatever it's been) and I paid a years worth as usual in December.
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::cynlee
05/20/09 12:27 AM GMT
Try the lime green one, Les. With maple syrup.
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::Hottrockin
05/20/09 12:29 AM GMT
~sticks the warm maple syrup on the table and runs off~
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Hottrockin
05/31/09 1:19 PM GMT
Just happened to me again, just now. Uploaded w/o voting and it won't go. Voted on 10 images, re-uploaded pic, UNCHECKED the "put in voting booth box" and still nothing...went back and rechecked the "put in voting booth box" and BINGO!! Just a FYI.
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Jimbobedsel
05/31/09 1:40 PM GMT
I haven't deleted a new upload in a long time, and I STILL have to vote 20 or more times with every picture, before it will be voted on. Once it was 23 times, then 14, but most of the times it's 20. It has been just 10 in a long time.
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DID YOU SEE THAT?
*caedes
05/31/09 9:07 PM GMT
It looks like you only voted 10 times to upload the image today, and it qualified for the voting booth. Could you elaborate on your statement?
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-caedes
::Hottrockin
05/31/09 9:27 PM GMT
Me??

I didn't vote on any and tried to upload and it didn't work.

I then voted on 10 images.

I re-uploaded my pic (of Mimi & my wifey) and UNCHECKED the box "put in voting booth"...cause I didn't want it in the voting booth and it again didn't work.

I then re-uploaded my pic and said "sure...put it in the voting booth" and it uploaded just fine.

per you "It looks like you only voted 10 times to upload the image today, and it qualified for the voting booth."

I did vote on 10 images and it did qualify my upload for the voting booth...you are correct.

However...I wish to upload images without having to vote on other images in understanding that my upload would receive no c-index which is fine by me. Why would I upload a gorgeous flora shot and require no c-index / voting...then upload Mimi & my wife and want people to vote on it?? It's in the community gallery which shouldn't even get a c-index. I'm just sharin' our good times and not lOOkin' for critiques or nuttin'.

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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Jimbobedsel
05/31/09 11:34 PM GMT
Yes, I will elaborate. I wrote that comment before I tried voting today. Much to my surprise, I only needed to vote 10 times. My first reaction was...Wow, you sure corrected that fast. It figures, that just after making a comment about the number of times I have to vote, I wind up having to vote the correct number of times....anyway, it's OK with me that I have to vote more...I should vote the max anyways. Just thought I would let you know what was going on. Thanks.

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DID YOU SEE THAT?
*caedes
05/31/09 11:50 PM GMT
Sorry for the confusion, I was asking about Jimbo's issue. I will keep monitoring this, because it doesn't seem to be making much sense to me at the moment.

Hottrockin: I found your problem, but I'm not sure what is causing it. If it happens again, PM me and I'll check it out. I added some diagnostic monitoring stuff that may help me figure it out.
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-caedes
.SignnPainter
06/02/09 12:58 AM GMT
Personally I think Caedes has gone way out of hand on this voting crap...they already have their picks on who gets high ratings! Things were great the way they were when I came on this site 5 or 6 years ago. (That's when Joost and alot of others were around). This is just my point of view!
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Technically speaking.....I don't know!
+purmusic
06/02/09 1:03 AM GMT
Here ... got you something ...

(*hands SignnPainter a new box of Corn Flakes ...*)

Yours seem to be a tad soggy ...
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
::cynlee
06/02/09 4:34 AM GMT
Yes, tonight I had to vote on 18 images to upload one. I am not sure why that is, but I guess that is what you are trying to fix. I voted on 25 images or so yesterday and only uploaded one image, but that was my choice. Don't know if that has anything to do with it.
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.J_272004
06/02/09 10:06 AM GMT
Terry it was because of Joost that the voting was changed.
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MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
::laurengary
06/03/09 2:51 AM GMT
I'm confused ...... "they already have their picks on who gets high ratings!" ...?

Who already has whose picks on whose high ratings ? Not me & not mine, so I'm a little confused.
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I've got amnesia & deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before ! ... That was Zen, but this is Tao !!! ...CLICK TO SAVE LIVES !
+KEIFER
06/03/09 3:33 AM GMT
Terry is from the era when Joost and his merry band of cohorts corrupted the voting system for their own childish satisfaction ... thus condemning us to a steady stream of joost-a-likes, jousting for justification amongst an internet community he is not welcome in ... oddly, for all of his claimed educated sophistication and breeding ... this concept is lost on him

... stick THAT in your rural pipe and smoke it, toetsie
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♪ ♫ When I grow up I wanna be an old woman...an old, old, old, old, old..old woman.. ♪ ♫
.J_272004
06/03/09 11:41 AM GMT
LOL.. settle petal... lol
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MY GALLERY ........... "You are not alive unless you know you are living." Amadeo Modigliani
::jeenie11
06/14/09 5:22 PM GMT
i just tried to upload a shot and was told i needed to vote on 20 images. i'm happy to do it but thought the requirement was 10 images.
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AVATAR BY PJ............... i am always extremely grateful for the kind comments and suggestions that you make. Please Visit My Gallery
::Jimbobedsel
06/14/09 10:18 PM GMT
Hey Jen...this happens to me more times than not.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::jeenie11
06/14/09 10:52 PM GMT
i went out for awhile and when i returned it had changed to 10 votes???????
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AVATAR BY PJ............... i am always extremely grateful for the kind comments and suggestions that you make. Please Visit My Gallery
::Jimbobedsel
06/14/09 10:55 PM GMT
Now I never tried that. I am to eager to get the pictures uploaded, so I go vote on what ever it says to vote on. I will try that the next time.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::Jimbobedsel
06/17/09 2:11 AM GMT
I wanted to upload just now, but it say I have 18 images to vote on before my image will be eligible to be voted on. I think I will wait till morning just to see what happens. I voted already today on at least 40 images.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
*caedes
06/17/09 3:40 AM GMT
Ok, I've tried to figure out what the problem is, but I've been unsuccessful so far. Therefore, I'm going to change the way it works. More info as I figure it all out.
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-caedes
::verenabloo
06/18/09 2:18 AM GMT
Well, I just now went to the VB and voted on 10 postings, I came back to post my photo after that and that little "machine" wants ONE more !! Sheeeeeeesh!! Enuff already!!:(
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With the past, I have nothing to do; nor with the future. I live now. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
::laurengary
06/19/09 4:08 AM GMT
All I can say is I uploaded both of mine on the 14th & it worked fine for me.
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I've got amnesia & deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before ! ... That was Zen, but this is Tao !!! ...CLICK TO SAVE LIVES !
::verenabloo
06/21/09 2:51 AM GMT
Guess you got a one shot that worked!! whooopdeeedoooo! lol
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God's promises are like the stars; the darker the night the brighter they shine.
::laurengary
06/22/09 2:01 AM GMT
Guess I didn't, I uploaded today too without a problem, how 'bout that. Oh mybad...whooopdeeedoooo.
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I've got amnesia & deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before ! ... That was Zen, but this is Tao !!! ...CLICK TO SAVE LIVES !
::Jimbobedsel
06/22/09 2:04 AM GMT
If I don't vote regularly...I mean all the time, even when I am not uploading....It usually comes up that I have to vote on 20 images.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::fogz
06/23/09 7:31 AM GMT
Sometimes you just need to refresh the upload page and it will update the number of images you need to vote on. ;) For me it is not a problem at all - I will not just vote on 10 to upload an image - if I go into vote then I will most likely vote on 20-40 anyway - I enjoying viewing images I would otherwise have missed.
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..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
.SatCom
06/23/09 4:20 PM GMT
I wonder if this issue is just happening to "members" or to everybody. As for me, I have no troubles. I don't upload everyday and when I do, all I need is ten then it will work. After my upload, I usually go back and continue voting, but the "10" image issue has never been a problem for me.....But I'm not a "Member" who can upload 2 images. Just wondering if it looks at that and says you need to vote more or not....Just a random thought.....Which I am bad at.....I am also bad about rambling on and on.....Can you tell?
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Sometimes I do get to places just when God's ready to have somebody click the shutter. - Ansel Adams....... My Gallery
.Genver
06/23/09 4:31 PM GMT
I do not have any problems,i vote on 12 or 13 images then i can upload a photo,this issue seems to only happen to a few people.
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::Hottrockin
06/23/09 9:50 PM GMT
I've had it happen several times. The other day I uploaded my 1st pic just fine (no voting), then when I went to upload pic #2 it wouldn't take till I voted on at least 10 images.

~brushes off white stuff on shoulder~

Flakey!!

8~P
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Hottrockin
06/23/09 10:24 PM GMT
...OK...

Just uploaded two (2) pics

This time...the first one wouldn't go till I voted on 10 images...the second one went right on through with no voting!?!?!

What gives G-Dawg??
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::fogz
06/24/09 7:27 AM GMT
someone is stealing your votes! ...maybe it is Verena. ;) lol!
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..thanking you in advance for your comments. Please know that all your comments are appreciated....." Live well, love much, laugh often!" .... mygallery
::laurengary
06/24/09 1:37 PM GMT
LMAO @ Patti ;-)
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I've got amnesia & deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before ! ... That was Zen, but this is Tao !!! ...CLICK TO SAVE LIVES !
::Jimbobedsel
06/27/09 3:42 PM GMT
UPDATE: The last two days, I have had to vote on 20 images. Sometimes it's 10, but most of the time it is still 20.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::Jimbobedsel
06/30/09 2:13 PM GMT
Here's a new twist to this matter. Yesterday, I uploaded an image, only to be unsatisfied with it. I deleted it, fixed the problem and reposted it. This morning, when clicking on "Upload Images," I am required to vote on 30 images before mine will be eligible for voting. It's like your computer system is expecting me to upload three images today. No doubt that my deleting an image after uploading it has something to do with this, I don't pretend to understand it. I just thought you might want to know about it. Still, I don't want to sound like I am complaining, because I don't mind voting, and rather enjoy it, and take it seriously. Have a great day.

Jimbob
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
+philcUK
06/30/09 8:05 PM GMT
perhaps these errors would be better served by posting them in the feature bloat/bug squash forum
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A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
+KEIFER
07/01/09 12:04 AM GMT
Vote Club

rule #1: .. we don't talk about vote club
rule #2: .. we don't talk about vote club
rule #3: .. if this is your first visit to vote club, you must claim to enjoy it
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.•*''*• Dyslexics Have More Nuf •*''*•.
::Jimbobedsel
07/01/09 12:50 AM GMT
Are you the president of the Vote Club, or can't you talk about it?
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::Hottrockin
07/01/09 11:41 PM GMT
~bangs head against wall~

How did I miss THAT!! The title to the thread is misspelled!! It’s not spelled “M o d i f i c a t i o n”, its spelled “M a l f u n c t i o n”!! There, hope that helps clear the air!!

8~O

I just teasin’ G-Dawg, just teasin’ baby!!
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Hottrockin
07/01/09 11:43 PM GMT
R o l a i d s does not actually spell relief!!

Remember...only YOU can prevent forest fires!!
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Why do the pictures come out square when the lens is round??
::Jimbobedsel
07/01/09 11:44 PM GMT
Now that's funny.
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IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS?
::zunazet
07/03/09 4:28 AM GMT
In all this time since the modifications were made I have not had any problem. However I always vote on the max number of images before uploading. I only mention it to possibly be of some help in finding the bug.
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::verenabloo
07/03/09 6:42 AM GMT
fogzy!! meeeeeeeeeeeee? steal votes?? ROFLMyfannyoff!!! Silly woman! Trix are for kids dontcha know??!! V
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"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called. ~A.A. Milne
::third_eye
07/26/09 7:02 PM GMT
*bump*

thought I'd ask if any more changes are going to be made any time soon. ok, so since that wasn't really a question..

Are there going to be any more changes made soon?
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::cynlee
07/26/09 7:33 PM GMT
I think G-dawg is out of town.
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
::third_eye
07/26/09 8:18 PM GMT
Well, then this'll be a post-it when he gets back..
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Please, even if you don't visit my gallery, check out my "Faves".I've left them intact since day "1", and would like it if every image there got the attention they deserved.
::cynlee
08/08/09 2:29 AM GMT
This is odd and annoying at the same time. I uploaded an image that had a flaw and immediately deleted it. I was told it was deleted. Then I uploaded it again after fixing it and there were about six comments on it. When I went back to it another time, there were two comments and it was the first image that I had uploaded and deleted and the second image was gone!!! What's with that?
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
::allisontaylor
08/09/09 1:37 PM GMT
Has anyone noticed the past several days...that most of the images in the VB are not new images?
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::LynEve
08/09/09 1:44 PM GMT
Yesterday I voted on one uploaded in 2003 !!

However, today there were 3 from this month.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
::allisontaylor
08/09/09 2:33 PM GMT
Jerome directed me to the same discussion in the problems thread. I was confused...since occasionally there may be older images. Now they are the majority.
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::ohpampered1
08/09/09 2:46 PM GMT
I have also noticed that my new images have not really been voted on I have two, from Aug. 3or4th that have 6 votes each and every photo after that is even less...Is anybody have the same problem?
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Come over to the dark side, we have cookies. :)
::ohpampered1
08/09/09 3:00 PM GMT
OK, I just went to the VB and got to vote on a photo from 03'. I wanted to make a comment and found out it was ppigeon AKA;Pierre. I did leave a comment and told him I got to Vote for is photo today! LOL It was beautiful.
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Come over to the dark side, we have cookies. :)
::cynlee
08/09/09 3:45 PM GMT
I have a newer image in my gallery that has been voted on 37 times and my most recent images have gone 3-4 days with just a couple of votes. Maybe Geri is experimenting? Maybe it's a way for old images to make their way to the front to be seen again? Not a bad idea, but no one on the administrative side has said why this change has taken place.

P.S. I wrote to mimi and asked about this.
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
=ppigeon
08/10/09 9:37 AM GMT
Hehe... Thanks for the comment Laura ;-)
I try an explanation:
I think that the last modification (possibility to upload "without" the c-index) gives many more votes to the new images "with c-index".
Maybe the system gives the priority of the votes on the new images, but when the number of votes is sufficient, the systeme begins to fish into the old images...
Probably the system "thinks" that the number of votes is sufficient when this number is higher than 5.
If it's correct, I think this number should be ugraded at 10, at least...
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-Pierre-
::LynEve
08/10/09 12:34 AM GMT
Of the 10 images I just voted on, 7 of them were in the permanent galleries.
I do not see the point in voting on them.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
::cynlee
08/10/09 3:24 PM GMT
This didn't happen after the new modification to upload without an index. It seems to have started within the last week. Correct me if that is not right, someone. I have images that are 4 days old with 4 and 5 votes at this time whereas in the past, there would have been voted on more times than that. If this is happening to everyone and we are getting a 70% showing of old images in the VB, using LynEve's figure, then it doesn't somehow seem right. Could it be a recent glitch?
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
&animaniactoo
08/10/09 3:44 PM GMT
I suspect there's some "balancing out" going on.

Most of the older images have a max of 20 votes if they even got close to that. The new images under the new system have in general been getting over 30. This is a wider sampling of opinion and one of the main criticisms of the VB and the c-index has been the scarcity of votes. Allowing the older images to achieve the newer plateau means the c-index will have the same "meaning" throughout the site, so it's a necessary thing.

I'd be willing to bet that it will even out shortly and the balance will be restored. If you want to hurry it up, go vote more! *wink*
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
.Tootles
08/10/09 8:09 PM GMT
I rather like it as well. I like getting to vote on some of the golden oldies! I wonder if it might 'mix it up' a bit in the wallpaper search? I have the impression the top hits tend to be the ones with the highest c-index... which could mean the search results in some categories don't change very much?
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=Samatar
08/10/09 9:31 PM GMT
Every time there is a change to the voting system people seem to get their knickers in a twist without really giving it a chance first... Perhaps we should give it a few weeks of fine tuning/self adjustment before deciding it is a bad thing.
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
*caedes
08/10/09 9:39 PM GMT
We will only be getting the old ones for a short amount of time. Eventually, there will only tend to be new images in the voting booth. This is because the longer an image is around, the more votes it will get, and we choose images for the voting booth based in part on how many votes they have.
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-caedes
::cynlee
08/10/09 10:02 PM GMT
I don't wear knickers, Sam. Just didn't know what was happening is all.
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
::LynEve
08/10/09 10:08 PM GMT
Ditto what Cindy said.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
=Samatar
08/10/09 10:14 PM GMT
There are two other threads on the same issue where knicker twisting was taking place. My note wasnt targeted at anyone in particular. I just remember exactly the same duscussions taking place about old images last time tge voting process was changed, even after Geri explained why it was happening and that tge system would self adjust. Hopefully thus time around people will be more patient.
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
::cynlee
08/10/09 10:17 PM GMT
Yes, they will be because we are now well informed. Thanks, Sam.
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
::LynEve
08/10/09 10:31 PM GMT
Knickers untwisted - much more comfortable :)
Thankyou
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
::Jimbobedsel
10/21/09 9:02 PM GMT
I have been getting older images to vote on a lot more, recently. The only thing that concerns me about this, is that when this happens, the newer images get less votes, or take longer to get the required votes to be eligible for a C-I. I have had two images that were stuck on 8 and 9 votes, and got archived before getting the C-I. I look forward to the C-I on each and every image I post, whether it be high or low. How can I be assured that this won't happen again?

Jimbob
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&animaniactoo
10/22/09 4:28 AM GMT
You can't. It's a growing pain. It'll get better in the near future, but I won't make you any false promises that it'll never happen again.

*hands over a lollipop*
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
::cynlee
10/22/09 4:29 AM GMT
How do you know it will get better in the near future, Cat?
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+philcUK
10/22/09 5:34 AM GMT
making the assumption that things get refined and improved over time and experience I would imagine.
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::cynlee
10/23/09 1:46 AM GMT
Why was I asked to vote on an image from August 24, 2008, that had NA as a C:index anyway? What is the point of my voting on that?
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::Jimbobedsel
10/23/09 1:48 AM GMT
I'd like to know the answer to that one, too, Cindy.
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::cynlee
10/23/09 1:49 AM GMT
Has that happened to you too, Jimbob?
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::Jimbobedsel
10/23/09 1:54 AM GMT
No, but it makes no sense.
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::cynlee
10/23/09 1:57 AM GMT
Well, I just discovered that it happened again in the VB. Maybe they are removing indices from images that have been archived? Then why vote on them again?
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“Life is precious; therefore, do not waste it by doing things mechanically without love. We should try to put love into everything we do.” - Amma
::Jimbobedsel
10/23/09 2:02 AM GMT
I agree. Also, why vote on perm gallery pictures, just to give them a truer evaluation? They are in a perm gallery, and they aren't going any higher.
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+philcUK
10/23/09 4:19 AM GMT
why worry about teething problems so much while the system is going through changes? its hardly going to destroy your whole Caedes way of life is it?
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::cynlee
10/23/09 4:41 AM GMT
No, it won't, but why do we have to ask the questions before we are given the answers? I didn't know that Caedes.net was in the toddler stage.
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+philcUK
10/23/09 5:49 AM GMT
why do you need answers for everything - is it really so hard to imagine that there wont be any issues when systems change? is it really so hard to flag any issues in the appropriate forum for them rather than here so they can be recognized and addressed quickly?

apparently - it is.
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::cynlee
10/23/09 6:19 AM GMT
Too much caffeine?
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&animaniactoo
10/23/09 3:32 PM GMT
I know that it will get better in terms of evening out because I've been here long enough to watch this process happen twice when previous rounds of changes were made to the voting system.

However, any time there's a change, it's a pretty good idea to give it a few months for it to stabilize and take effect, that's part of the nature of change - it doesn't all quickly settle into place Presto! new status quo instantly established. So that's more an outlook to develop towards shrugging off the temporary inconveniences that occur during a growing pains period. And even after a couple of months there will still be the occasional hiccup.

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Phil does have a real point about where questions are asked. This place functions best when it's organized, and stuff is easily findable or addressed in the right forums/process.

*caedes may have erred in placing this thread here, since it's about how the site operates, it probably should have gone into "Non-Art Website Issues" which is the best place to ask questions about why something happens, and debate the pros and cons of the current handling of site functions.

If you have a problem with an image, the best thing to do is notify your nearest friendly mod and ask for help. That's because it may be a one-off kind of problem which only a mod can answer/help with, and the site in general doesn't need to know about it.

If you have a repeated problem with something, the best place to post that is the "Feature Bloat/Bug Squash" forum.

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There are a couple of reasons for voting on older images.

1) The culture of the site and trends in art and developments in technology can shift opinions of older works. The c-index as much as possible should reflect the *current* viewpoint of users of the site. The only way to do that is to include them in the voting booth.

2) One of the problems with the voting booth before was a lack of voters, which led to c-indexes being generated from a smaller sampling of votes then images are now receiving. So in order for the c-index to be a usable, reliable guide for visitors and artists, that imbalance needs to be corrected between the older and newer images. The c-index has to mean the same thing (in general) across all the images on the site, or it means nothing and is an unreliable way to gauge the evaluation of a particular work. Then it becomes a guide of who voted that day, or during those months, etc.

And now I must go back to work before I get caught being responsible about the wrong job today... hope this clears up all your questions.
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::cynlee
10/23/09 5:33 PM GMT
Thank you, CAT! What a thorough and comprehensible response and I and others, I'm sure, truly appreciate the time and effort you spent clarifying several items that we had concerns about. You have been most friendly, courteous and helpful. It isn't always easy to discern which category something belongs in when
giving voice to a question and since the heading of this thread seemed appropriate, that is where the question was raised.
I was not aware that the new voting system was still in its trial period since this thread started seven months ago.
As regular old members of the community, we are grateful for your response and your respect. Cindy
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::Jimbobedsel
10/23/09 5:48 PM GMT
Thanks CAT. Appreciate it very much.
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&animaniactoo
10/23/09 7:38 PM GMT
I believe it was a 2 step process (reference to this has been made elsewhere, I don't have time to look for it right now) where once it was established that the booth was functioning as desired, the images in the perms were given priority for a brief time in order to let them catch up with the newer images so that all images would have the same approximate number of votes, and that 2nd step occurred a couple of mths ago.
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One man sees things and says "why?" - but I dream things that never were and I say "why not?"
&animaniactoo
10/23/09 7:47 PM GMT
LOL. I scrolled up here and came across it by accident.

From *caedes on 8/10/09:

"We will only be getting the old ones for a short amount of time. Eventually, there will only tend to be new images in the voting booth. This is because the longer an image is around, the more votes it will get, and we choose images for the voting booth based in part on how many votes they have."
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&animaniactoo
10/23/09 9:16 PM GMT
Update: There was also a glitch that resulted in images that were uploaded for a couple of days at the end of August not receiving votes, or receiving very few votes. So if the images that got archived and were "stuck" on a low number of votes were uploaded then they probably were part of that glitch.
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::Jimbobedsel
10/24/09 12:44 AM GMT
I fall into that category, Cat. Thanks for the info.
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+purmusic
10/27/09 4:49 PM GMT
I just tend to fall, simply put.


(*trips and falls while exiting thread ...*)

:oP
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
.Hukka55
06/30/10 9:09 AM GMT
http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Board::Topic&id=3040932
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Check out the site "Between Truths", read, learn and pass on. The three steps is all you need to remember to get started. =) http://www.freewebs.com/intween/
::Akeraios
11/10/10 8:45 PM GMT
Sooo ...
It's been 20 months now. What was the fallout been like? Are there any statistics on how many people take part in the voting now? Or how much the number/percentage of people participating has changed in the last year and a half?
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+purmusic
11/11/10 4:58 AM GMT
What's in it for me?


Make it ... nice..

Surprise me.
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::Akeraios
11/11/10 1:16 PM GMT
You've already got a pony, what more could you want?
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