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Does anybody give a hoot?

.cynlee
06/05/12 5:51 PM GMT
Where's the AC? Where's Caedes? Does anyone care anymore or is it just us chickens?? Why is everything so secretive? I am getting asked a lot of these questions and I would like to know the answers too? ANYBODY have a clue?
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.Nikoneer
06/05/12 7:11 PM GMT
I've heard, just recently, from a number of members who have sent PM's, asked questions, made suggestions, all to no avail. It all seems to disappear into the ether. So you're not alone, Cyn.

Buck, buck, buck.

-Nik
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.cynlee
06/05/12 8:55 PM GMT
Then we must enter the ether too if we are to find the answers. The buck buck can't stop here, now can it, Nik?
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::Ramad
06/05/12 10:03 PM GMT
Even the mods have become sluggish - Often it takes a long time before the images are on the New Images list. A lack of interest from any side is a bad sign.
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Smooth seas do not make skilful sailors.
::LynEve
06/05/12 10:06 PM GMT
Perhaps we are on auto pilot?
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
.cynlee
06/05/12 10:11 PM GMT
Funny you should say that, Lyn. I suggested that very notion some time back. I heard that things that caedes does on site are often "scripted" meaning they happen at the time they are supposed to happen, like the contest announcements, etc. so that is not such a far fetched notion. Haven't had any new mods in 5? years? Maybe an infusion of new blood would make this place come back to life.
I think we are all open to suggestions, but if the administration doesn't really care, it is a useless exercise to entertain the idea of making things better and more interesting.
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::trixxie17
06/05/12 10:25 PM GMT
I've been surprised at how slowly new images are loaded these days. I can get off in the evening and there won't have been a new image posted all day - the next morning there maybe 3 or 4 pages of new images. This makes it far more difficult to view new images that are not from those on your friends list.
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.cynlee
06/05/12 10:33 PM GMT
I sent a PM to Caedes asking a few of these questions. I sincerely doubt that I will receive an answer since no one else has been able to get a response either. I don't know who is running the show right now, but I have my parachute ready.

On behalf of all members, I would also ask here, right now, if someone will tell us exactly who is in charge, why we are not receiving any respectful responses to our queries and what is the intention for the future of this website? We have been loyal and believe that we deserve at least a few answers. Someone does have contact with Geri and someone knows the answers to these questions. Please just be honest with all of us. I doubt that any of us wishes to see the site just fade into the sunset after all the time and effort we have expended trying to make and keep it a good thing.
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.LakeMichigan
06/06/12 12:57 AM GMT
I have only been a member for a few months . I certainly do not claim to be a Caedes expert but I have noticed a difference in the site since I have arrived. The loading of new images is a problem . As Kathy has already stated this makes it hard to comment on images that are not on your friends list. This in my opinion makes the site and it's members ( you and I ) appear to be unfriendly and certainly doesn't do anything to promote the site , friendship and respect for old and new members alike.
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+mimi
06/06/12 3:57 AM GMT
I can only speak for myself. I do care.

I have had no contact with *caedes.

I care for two elderly ladies with dementia (one of them being my Mother-in-law).

The other lady fell and broke her hip last week as we were returning from a week out of town visiting grandchildren.

I have been extremely busy since then.

As soon as I am able each day, I do approve any images that are in the queue.

I am not sure I understand what is secretive. This is not my site and I am only privy to a few minor things,ie; the contests are coded to run themselves.

I do not know where is the AC has gone to either.

There were 3 new mods made less than 2 years ago.

If anyone has questions that I failed to address, feel free to PM me.

Finally, I really am not a sluggish mod :o)

I hope this helps.



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~mimi~
.LOL2112
06/06/12 6:30 AM GMT
owls do. not to highjack this thread or anything but im goin for a record on the c-index thread its up to 45 creds now.
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::corngrowth
06/06/12 7:43 AM GMT
Referring to the first question from Cindy, I would say that I'm still able to nominate photos for the AC (the AC-icon is still shown on my screen by newly submitted photos). The possibility of voting on, by other people nominated, pictures seems to be no longer possible. I see however that pictures still are added to the 'perms'. How that happens and who's in charge with this, is a mystery to me.
Furthermore, I endorse, the by others perceived disinterest on this site. It comes at me like Mimi is the only one who's approaving new posted pictures, that's perhaps why it often takes that long before new photos are included in the new images gallery (please read Mimi's comment above) .

I have the feeling that Caedes is a sinking ship with Geri as the captain, and that I'm on it as a passenger. As a retired captain, hope you'll understand, that this is not a comforting thought for me.

Cornelius.
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::Dunstickin
06/06/12 9:15 AM GMT
I have seen a couple of mods in the 'Who's on line'..namely Samatar and Cat...but they don't seem to 'hang' around long!...

Got to agree with Corngrowth and Cindy!....

What does the future hold eh???
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::LynEve
06/06/12 9:16 AM GMT
Mimi, you said "There were 3 new mods made less than 2 years ago."
Can you tell us who they are and why are they not helping you with approving uploads - are you the only one doing this?
I know often my images take at least 17 or 18 hours to be approved which could be partly due to the time difference. I have been on site during the middle of 'our' night and have been the only member on line.
I don't think anyone should expect one person to be responsible for approvals. Surely some 'mini mods' could be commissioned for the job if current ones are unable to, to spread the load both timewise and image wise.

We were told by another mod (who appears to have disappeared) on May 10th to "Take 'your' (speaking generally here) pick.. or suggest something.
'We' are listening.".

People did, but nothing came of the discussion so it all seemed rather a wasted effort and a waste of our time and the thread seems to have disintigrated, partly thanks to a member who appears to be able to sprinkle random non helpful and insulting comments without hindrance.

Thanks for you response Mimi. Maybe some of the other several mods who have been online today will also join the discusssion. :)

Auto pilot? It seems like it from this side of the fence

LE
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
.J_272004
06/06/12 9:38 AM GMT
maybe.. just maybe mind you they have a life outside of caedes? I know myself i used to be on here quite a lot but unfortunately the real world caught up with me and have to deal with that..

I'm not being sarcastic or being aggressive or singling anyone out but sometimes other things take a priority over the net or a hobby even if it's something we love to do...

I think bagging the mods and geri and demanding they spend their lives on here is a bit overboard..

I do agree that things have changed here it's quieter, the uploads have dropped in quality and variety which is a shame... it also used to be a fun place but now it seems that all the threads are nothing but complaints and whining.. that kind of thing puts off the people who are new to the site.. I know if it was me and I came on here and all i see are people whining about the same things over and over again I would say bye bye...

so how about making this place vibrant and fun again!!!!
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::LynEve
06/06/12 10:35 AM GMT
Of course there are lives outside of this site - we all have them. I know I do.
I for one do not expect anyone from the top, to the newest member to spend their lives here.
Have to say though, being asked to make suggestions which really is a waste of time and then being labeled as whiners is not conducive to making the place a fun and vibrant place to be. There are other threads in, for instance, the Photography discussion etc which are in no way confrontational and they often go uncommented on.
My time is as precious as anyone elses but I participate in these discussions, create and upload images and comment as often as I can because I care about the site and am grateful for all I have learned here.
Jac, saying you are not singling anyone out as whiners when there are so few have commented on this thread rather suggests the opposite, and that these (we) are the ones you are referring to.
Any comments I make here I feel are counter balanced by the effort I put into the rest of the site, but that is just my own naturally biased opinion and I dont expect it to be agreed with.

My main thought in this discussion is why can the load not be spread more evenly, which is far from 'demanding' that any one person devote very waking minute to this site.

Anyway, whine over.

Ooops, Almost - just want to add - I can not recall ever having 'demanded' anything least of all demanded that members cease to express their opinions. I thought that was what these forums were for.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess
Don't enter in the discussions and you show no interest, give no feedback.Take part and you are criticized. Can't win.

Does anybody give a hoot?
good question. I do
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
::tigger3
06/06/12 12:21 AM GMT
I too have noticed that it takes longer for the images to appear, but I do respect the fact that the mods do have a life other than Caedes. I found in the past that Cat was very good about responding to my pm's, and really did so much to try to offer help on a certain matter. I'm just glad that we have Caedes, and am thankful for the friends I have made.


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::Dunstickin
06/06/12 12:38 AM GMT
I counted the names of 32 'mods' I agree we 'all' have other interests outside of Caedes...but surely, a little 'co-operation' from from the hierarchy would be welcome from time to time!...

Some have been missing for a long time now.

Another point of view...if these moderators are not caring about the site...wouldn't it be worthwhile to introduce new people who would?..
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.cynlee
06/06/12 1:45 PM GMT
Mimi, Like Lyn, I too missed any announcement of 3 new mods two years ago. Perhaps, it was during my medical leave, but I would have thought the word of something like that would have been very common news, yet two people above have already asked about it too. That, I guess, is what I mean about the "secretive" part. We have new members too, who aren't even aware of who exactly the 'mods' are and what is their function. Sure some of these things are written on the site somewhere, but it is not always easy to negotiate the site to find them so they are asking questions of other members because they don't know this. It is good that they ask, no matter who, but in speaking with them I find that the loss of the functionality of the AC has been gone for quite some time and though we have had threads about it, we have never even received an explanation for its malfunction. None of us has been asked to vote on any nominated images, so we can only think that the AC too has reverted to us recommending and mods deciding which images enter the main galleries.

We no longer have a voting booth, we no longer have an AC, we no longer have contact with most mods or with Caedes. The atmosphere here is very different than it was a few years ago.

Thank you for your response above, that means a lot. We know that you are a hard working and dedicated moderator, but we understand that you have a life apart from this site and as Lyn comments, "We all have them".

We are not faulting anyone for having a busy life or anything else for that matter. We are just asking to be communicated with whenever anyone has the time to do so.

You say you have no contact with Caedes, but you must have contact with someone (another mod?) who does. We'd like to hear from Geri and if not him, then whoever speaks for him. It would be a good thing for the entire site because it would bolster interest and enthusiasm.

I am not clear why it is that you represent and moderate the Caedes.net website, but have no contact with the person who established or owns it.

I think it is good too that people are expressing their concerns openly and without finger pointing for fear of ridicule because respect and friendship, I think, are the glue that is keeping us together right now.

We have been asked in other places to express our opinions and our choices. We are expressing our thoughts here and hope that we can all come together in discourse to elicit a better understanding and a pleasurable art and community experience.

Cornelius' analogy is apt in that we feel that we need to hear from our Captain.
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.Nikoneer
06/06/12 3:01 PM GMT
Since many of us are friends, with a healthy respect for each others' craft, I think it might be good to have a contingency plan. I've been here, off-and-on, since April of 2006 and have gotten to know a number of you, even hosting a member and his better seven-eighth's (just kidding "T") in my town last summer. So I do not want the site to disappear; I'd miss interacting with the friends and like-minded contacts I've made here. However, I do remember booting up one day, not long ago, and discovering that overnight the C-Index had disappeared. Personally I had come to despise the way it was being abused but now there was no numerical value put on any image. No way to determine how our work was evaluated other than in comments, a number of which are too brief to be of any help. What I'm saying is that things can change without warning. Nowadays, with limited correspondence between us and the "Captain" and his lieutenants, "without warning" has taken on a more realistic and possibly dire connotation. We could wake up tomorrow, boot up the computer, and find that Caedes no longer exists, our friendly and professional connections gone along with the site. As I said, I don't want the site to vanish but, if it does, some of us would likely prefer to keep in touch somehow. As a measure of security many of us do not put our email addresses in our bios. As a personal rule I have waited to get to know other members character before providing them with my email address. Perhaps we should be thinking along those lines in case the site fails, making a list of the people (and their email addresses) we want to stay in contact with? That way we can still get back to Kansas without first having to find a pair of ruby slippers.

-Nik
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+mimi
06/06/12 3:30 PM GMT
I do not "run" this site, nor have I ever. I am not the only moderator who approves images.

I stated that I do care and that is why I gave MY explanation for not being on the site as frequently now.

I speak for NO ONE ELSE!.

Everyone's life outside of caedes.net is just as important as mine.

I stated, first line of my response "I only speak for myself".

The 3 new mods were +animaniactoo, +purmusic, +mimi.

The moderators are the people with the "+" in front of their name. Above them is the consul "=" and above that is *caedes "*"

No one needs to be in contact with *caedes to approve images nor to uphold the CoC nor to answer questions on the threads.

I have no magic powers (although I wish I did in many areas of my life :)

TO those who wrote me via PM, thank you so very much.

All will be well.

See everyone tonight!!!!
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~mimi~
.cynlee
06/06/12 3:47 PM GMT
Mimi, there is no need to be on the defensive because no one was faulting you for any reason. We are well aware that you are not the only mod. I thought I stated that clearly in my last comment.

We only wished to hear from Geri so we could know what his intentions are for the site since asking a mod generates only "I don't know" answers. We want to know what happened to the AC. No one is seeking his approval for images or the CoC.

I don't believe what we have said here is too demanding of anyone's time and as I stated above there is no finger pointing.

I know you are under stress, but please try to calm yourself a bit.
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.Nikoneer
06/06/12 5:24 PM GMT
With all the questions and concerns floating around it's no surprise that much of it gets directed towards Mimi. She sort of set herself up for it by being helpful, calm, willing to see both sides of an issue, dependable, knowledgeable, and just downright decent. Personally, Mimi is one of the reasons I stay a member here. If anybody else agrees with my assessment and wants to let her know she's appreciated, sent her a friendly PM and toss some creds on her message above Cynlee's here.
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+purmusic
06/06/12 5:45 PM GMT
"We tend to think of this as 'our' site, which is not a bad thing, it's what gives the place its' community spirit, but in the final analysis it is Geri's site and we as guests should abide by his rules and respect his decisions."


The Caedes.net Code of Conduct:

"Citizens shall endeavour to make caedes.net a better place (or at least not worse)."


"Personally, Mimi is one of the reasons I stay a member here."

Me, three, Nik.

... ...

Well, that and the cookies.

:oD
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.cynlee
06/06/12 5:51 PM GMT
To be sure we abide by Geri's rules and respect his decisions. We'd just like to know what they are.

Why are we asked for suggestions, but never know if they mean anything to anyone but ourselves?
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+purmusic
06/06/12 6:14 PM GMT
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.cynlee
06/06/12 6:20 PM GMT
What does that mean, Les, and is it something that relates to this thread?
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.Nikoneer
06/06/12 6:49 PM GMT
I think it has to do with us making new members welcome and thereby making Caedes a "better place (or at least not worse)."
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::corngrowth
06/06/12 7:36 PM GMT
It doesn't make sense to refer to the code of conduct for this site when other rules, like THIS ONE are completely ignored.
I see it as another attempt to divert attention, by twaddle, from what is really happening here. Is it that hard to give an honest answer on the, to me legitimate, questions that Cindy has put forward at the start of this thread?
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+purmusic
06/06/12 9:25 PM GMT
"It doesn't make sense to refer to the code of conduct for this site when other rules, like THIS ONE are completely ignored."

I don't understand how you view the "Art Council" as a rule?


While I do understand that some might be frustrated by it's non-functionality at the moment.. even in light of this, nothing has changed insofar as being able to share your work/art/images with other members and visitors.

Which, to my mind.. is the heart of this site/community.

Not.. that of being able to vote on images for promotion.


The "Art Council" didn't exist at one point, for a lot of the members that have posted to this discussion.

The Voting Booth.. also, at one point, existed for a lot of the members that have posted to this discussion.

'Your' complaints about the Voting Booth were responded to by *caedes. And it was removed.


So.. to take a broad brush ... and in my humble opinion, a very unfair one and now accuse him of not caring ... is simply that, not fair.

'You' (speaking generally here) have a site to share your work/art/images. Make friends, socialize ... whichever and whatever.

At.. no.. cost.

Sounds like a good good deal to me.
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.cynlee
06/06/12 9:36 PM GMT
No one in this entire thread said that Caedes (Geri) doesn't care. What was asked for was an affirmation that he is still involved. Yes, he removed the VB, but that was not what was asked for, that was his decision. We are not complaining about the rules and regs, we just want to know what is going on with regard to the AC because no one ever explained what the problem is only that a mod was going to investigate and get back to us about it and that never transpired.

It is not fair to jump into a thread such as this one, distract from the question at hand, and then try to blame us by saying we have it good, just shut up and enjoy it and don't ask too many questions.

That is what I got out of the last comment.

Do you want our suggestions (subject of another thread) or not or is that another distraction to lead away from the questions asked here?
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::corngrowth
06/06/12 9:55 PM GMT
---'Your' complaints about the Voting Booth were responded to by *caedes. And it was removed.----

If you can't accept this by Geri taken measure, you don't have to blame me, but Geri. Apparently my arguments to get rid of the VB were more decisive than yours to keep it. It seems however that you still can't live with that decision. In that case I would know what to do.
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.gonedigital
06/06/12 10:14 PM GMT
This is a very lively thread, but perhaps a bit too heated, somebody turn the sprinklers on! I think people should calm down a little before they post a comment here. I've not seen anything like this before, some of you complainants are running around like headless chickens!

Relax *Caedes is here, and running a good wallpaper website too! why is it so important for some people to get an immediate reply to their queries? I should make yourself a cup of tea, get out the cookies, and relax.

This website is not going to the dogs, and the mods are doing a good job as always, don't start criticizing things you don't understand properly. Besides Caedes has always been run by *Caedes, and he practically always makes the final decisions not us mere artists.
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Vote on your future here, and check your monitors calibration here.
.cynlee
06/06/12 10:39 PM GMT
Why does asking questions automatically qualify a person as a "complainant", Phil.

The thread was not "hot" at all until about nine comments ago.
Obviously people have questions and the one about the AC, for example has been around for months. People must have concerns that are not being addressed by the mods and that is why they must be
writing to caedes as Nik mentions in the second comment above.
I have been told that new people have sent questions to the mods and received no response.
That is simply common courtesy, Phil, to respond to someone when they ask you a question.

You have your opinion and others see things differently.
Again, it seems that I have to repeat myself by saying that asking questions does not equate with complaining. That is simple logic.
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.gonedigital
06/06/12 10:59 PM GMT
Well your certainly a complainant Cindy as you started this thread, you are responsible for getting people wound up, and why give the mods grief hey?.

There's nothing new here, all the things mentioned above have been talked about in other threads.

*Caedes has heard all these arguments before, and it's no wonder why he hasn't logged in for 7 days, probably still got a headache. )o:
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Vote on your future here, and check your monitors calibration here.
.LOL2112
06/06/12 11:10 PM GMT
HERES who in charge from top to bottom.
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.cynlee
06/06/12 11:10 PM GMT
If you read my initial comment correctly, Phil, you would have seen and understood that I was reiterating things I had been asked.
No mod was maligned in the wording of those comments, in fact if you read the whole thread you would have noted that I had reassured mimi of the same.
Please read what you see and not what you want to believe. It is very distressing to have one's words minced when you know that you were being very clear when you said them.
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+purmusic
06/06/12 11:11 PM GMT
"*Caedes has heard all these arguments before, and it's no wonder why he hasn't logged in for 7 days, probably still got a headache."

Just to clarify.. *caedes need not sign-in/log into the site to be doing stuff.


And.. I don't know why some lose sight of all that has gone on before an apparent 'quiet' time, where he is concerned.

The list of changes made to the site are numerous.

To which, he sought the membership's input initially.. then, implemented accordingly.


A lil' credit where credit is due, perhaps?
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.LOL2112
06/06/12 11:17 PM GMT
he has god privileges he can be watchin and nobody know hes even here.
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.gonedigital
06/06/12 11:23 PM GMT
Cindy just prick yourself with a pin to expel all that hot air! and click on LOL2112s link, he knows who's in charge. (o:
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Vote on your future here, and check your monitors calibration here.
::egggray
06/06/12 11:39 PM GMT
If everyone is upset for their own reasons, why not stop paying $3.00 a month to be a member and just post as an Artist? Maybe if a lot of members did this Caedes would take notice and do things to bring the site back to life... Just a thought.
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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” - Ernst Haas
.cynlee
06/06/12 11:43 PM GMT
It is totally impossible to carry on an adult discussion when people insist on making juvenile comments and be cutting and snide. I knew it would be too much to expect.
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+purmusic
06/06/12 11:44 PM GMT
/\ Very disappointing to read..


Edit: Directed at the post two above.
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.LOL2112
06/07/12 12:23 AM GMT
this went from people being concerned about the future of the place to the usual dickfest,and everyone wonders why caedes dont hangout with us anymore.JEZ you all need to jump over to the Wayback Machine and take a gander the guy went way beyond what he had to do to make the place work.
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.Roseman_Stan
06/07/12 12:48 AM GMT
There is much passion within this thread. I come here to share the beauty and things I am allowed to behold with my friends here. I love the Art Council nominations angle and for one am glad the VB is gone, it just did not seem to really bring much good will. I hope everyone can calm their emotions just a bit and focus on site building comments and not attacks of any kind. We are visitors in this country called Caedes.....
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.LOL2112
06/07/12 12:59 AM GMT
I wish i wouldnt have blew all my creds on making a joke,wish i would have saved some for him.
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.cynlee
06/07/12 1:00 AM GMT
It didn't become a 'dickfest' as you called it (anyway what is that?) until certain people, (the same people who try to railroad the threads all the time) entered into it.

You are right that it started out as a thread about people being concerned about the future. And what is so wrong with that? Why couldn't we have just stayed on topic and dealt with the questions as they were posed? Why can't anything here be dealt with in an adult manner without people slinging mud at one another?

Instead of calling people names and vilifying them, why not just address the problems as presented. Instead of looking for people to blame, use your noggins and realize that if people are voicing concerns about a certain thing, then let's examine that thing and see why these people have these concerns.

You talk about making Caedes.net a better place, yet you refuse to really enter into and join the discussion, but rather stand back and hurl stones. You are the complainers, not those of us with genuine concerns.

You misconstrue our words and turn the subject inside out to make it look like we are here speaking to one another with the intention of making Caedes worse. It is you who don't want to make Caedes.net a better place if you just want to find fault with those who do want to make Caedes.net a better place. But to make it better you have to first talk about it. To say every thing is hunky dory and we are complainers is a negative approach to any kind of exchange or change. Everything ISN'T hunky-dory, obviously, if people concur that there is a concern. Let's not be hypocrites by throwing stones and building bad feelings. That defeats the very tenet of making this a better place.
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.LOL2112
06/07/12 1:11 AM GMT
Wayback Machine seriously you will come back with a new perspective.
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