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::casechaser
03/08/18 12:20 AM GMT
Just a rant, please bear with me. When I got up this morning, my picture, Windows on the Plaza, gallery: rework, had been changed to Windows on the Plaza (resised), gallery: architecture.

I can only assume a mod had made these two changes. I do not think I can make these changes on other artists. So, instead of receiving a PM with suggestions to consider these alternatives, the mod simply went ahead and made the changes themselves.

I think he/she misspelled "revised" because "resised" is not a word. I changed my title back to what I had chosen from the beginning. It is my artwork to name, not the property of the mod. If it offends the mod, then they may remove the picture. Remove it or leave it alone. It is not yours.

My gallery, "rework," was accurate but if he/she likes "architecture," fine, I will consider leaving the gallery as is, for now.
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.0930_23
03/08/18 5:08 PM GMT
Unbelievable John! I can't believe someone would mess with your photo without your permission. How rude!
I agree, if they want to remove it, go ahead; but don't be taking editing liberties with the photo/fractal/whatever. I thought the site was very protective of copyright infringement, but to me this is messing with your copyright.
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+Piner
03/15/18 12:33 AM GMT
Here at Caedes, "Reworked" in a title is reserved for an image that a person has modified (with permission) that another member originally created and uploaded. "Revised" is reserved for when an member modifies their own image they have previously uploaded. It has been this way for for well over a decade here. I will have to see if it is in the FAQ, and if not, see about adding it.
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
::casechaser
03/15/18 12:39 AM GMT
I can understand a defense to category but my major objection was someone, a mod, changed the title of my picture. The copyright is mine, not the mods. If I would have been PM'd and the seen the suggestions from the mod, privately, I probably would have made the changes myself. I do not need unauthorized people making changes to anything I post and found the arrogance of the mod who took it upon his/herself to touch my work and change the title to suit themselves is appalling. And to place a misspell the word, "resised," into the title unforgivable.
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+Piner
03/15/18 1:58 AM GMT
There are very few active moderators, and the ones that are active are working hard to keep the site organized. It was a temporary lapse on a very busy mod's part to not send out our form letter concerning the definitions of "rework" & "revised" as used here on Caedes, and also asking you to please correct the issue. Our apologizes.

Also to make sure there is no misunderstanding in the future, the Moderators have final say in what gallery images end up in. Let move on from this with lessons learned and enjoy our love of art and sharing it with all our friends here.
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
::casechaser
03/15/18 7:02 AM GMT
I agree you have all the rights for admission and I know how busy you are. I also believe you have no right to change or alter a submission. Accept it or deny it, whichever, but do not change the picture to suit you. Adding a misspelled word to my title is a huge insult to me and it should not have happened. The picture is not yours to do that to.

So, that is my understanding for the future. I can accept you rejecting my picture for whatever reason, just do not take your own personal liberties with it if it is accepted to this site. This is not asking much and is pretty much the rule of thumb on other sites too.
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.0930_23
03/15/18 3:49 PM GMT
I agree with John. Accept or deny is the privilege of the Mod's, but to actually rework the photo/fractal/whatever should not be allowed.
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::LynEve
03/27/18 12:33 AM GMT
Perhaps it is time for some extra 'active moderators' to be appointed.
It is unfair both to members and mods alike if sending of form letters is being missed.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
+animaniactoo
03/29/18 11:33 PM GMT
This was seemingly a good moment to check out what's been going on lately. I will try to be around and active more frequently - and I would like to take this moment to give mad kudos to +mimi who has done a lot of work here for a very long time.

In the meantime, I would like to note that there seems to be some misunderstanding. No one edited or changed the artwork at all. No liberties were taken with the content of the image.

The title of the image - the name of it - was edited and appended with "revised" which has been a longstanding common practice. In the main, this is done to quickly and easily distinguish it from the original image, and to be clear that it is not an accidental 2nd upload.

John, I don't remember if you are able to change the title of the image again yourself - I believe that you are, but I could be remembering incorrectly. If so, please feel free to edit it to whatever you would like - "in blue" "v2", just anything to create the distinction referenced above. If you can't, please message me with what you'd like it to be, and I'll take care of it.
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::casechaser
03/30/18 12:16 AM GMT
To me, the title is part of the content. It was not changed to "revised" it was changed to "resised." I have been here for over 10 years and have never had my title or chosen category changed by a mod so I cannot speak to a "long standing common practice." As I said before, if you do not want my picture to be on the site, don't approve it. At one time, that would have bothered me. But not any more. The site isn't what it use to be. You came down on me for being honest. I said I had reworked a previous picture. You objected to me choosing the category "rework" because your felt the word to use should have been "revised" to better describe. How silly. Please take a look at all the daily new images gallery pictures you have accepted without problem and see if you noticed all those manipulations not being put in the manipulations gallery. Yet you find fault with revise (or as you spelled it on my work, "resised') vs rework. What hypocrites we have here now. Go ahead, keep finding fault wherever it pleases you. The choir gets smaller everyday.
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+animaniactoo
03/30/18 2:00 AM GMT
John, I'm just not sure why this is such a big deal. It was a typo, and yes, things get missed (including sending you the form letter pm to advise you of the need for the change). Nobody is kicking the image off the site, nobody doesn't want it here. Just making sure to file it into the appropriate gallery and appropriately titled.

You may feel it's silly, but on this site, "rework" has a specific meaning. Changing that word to a clear synonym should not materially affect the the content or impression of the title. However, we do all have our preferences and as I said - please feel free to change the name again to whatever you wish, indicating that the 2nd image is an intentional separate upload.

I'm not sure why this is being seen as "coming down on you". Piner apologized for the typo and the lack of follow through. I posted because I wanted to clarify what seemed to be a misunderstanding about what had happened, and the extent of what had been changed. I understand it hasn't happened to you before, but it's a common mod function to go through galleries when extra time is available and try to keep the galleries sorted properly, etc. Which basically means kudos because apparently you've been picking the right galleries and therefore it's never come up before as far as I would look at it.

As far as errors, etc. in the new images - I'll take some of the heat for not having been here which means that the fewer mods available to approve stuff do miss the category because they're focused on trying to make sure that it gets on to the site in a reasonable time frame and there isn't a legal issue with the image. Hopefully I'll be able to put in more time now and that will help things run more smoothly going forward.
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