I continue to get comments on borders on vertical images, or even horizontal images that are padded because the original image is not in 4:3 ratio. I understand that some of you like to have images that are full frame for your desktop wallpapers, but I dont. I enjoy to see images that arent in 4:3 format everynow and then. If your only comment to one of my pics is going to be "this image would be better without the borders" or anything similar i'd please like to ask you to keep that opinion to yourself. I dont throw borders in for fun, or crop 4:3 images cause i think it might look better. There is no "rest" of the picture to see. I only use them when I am trying to force a non standard image to be a desktop. thanks
I'm behind you Anthony. We've had so much discussion about borders, there are a lot of images that simply don't need a pretty, worked up frame around them but a photograph can't always be cropped and stretched to fit a restricted desktop size without losing the impact of the shot without taking something from it's view or mood. They won't stop me from using a fantastic photo.
lol, thanks Pierre..its ok i'm finished with my random, i just had a brief moment of annoyance..i was just frustrated cause i take suggestions seriously and usually try to think about them in future images or even rework the image involved. but I cant make a 5:3 image fit in a 4:3 frame without padding, or cropping and i dont really want to crop
When it stopped being a debate I left.. When I started getting nasty PM's about it.. I left.. Madam Grouchy is very happy on deviantArt, where her work is appreciated without nasty comments.. Madam Grouchy doesn't have to put up with hernoor there, and isn't grouchy at all..
When an image is at a 4:3 ratio, I feel that putting a border around it usually ruins the effect of the picture, but I completely understand if the image isn't that ratio and you don't want to crop the image (even though I would).
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I'm sorry Ann, i'm not sure what u r refering to, maybe i missed a discussion. I certainly hope you havent gotten negative commentary because of this topic...
I get them all the time from her when I post on the boards.. You should have read some tf the extremely rude and threatening PM's I've gotten from her.. I will not be treated like that by anyone.. I'm actually surprised she hasn't said something here..
Pardon me, I thought I'd pull the thread back on topic a moment here. I like framing and composition. I would 5 times rather see a panoramic view with a black border that it really shines out of, than a shot cropped to show only a portion of it and does not display the full intent of the photographer's view.
I'd also rather see a shot cropped and placed within a border rather than forcing a photographer to show extraneous parts of a shot just so that it can fit into a 4:3 format. Cropping is part of composition people!
Personally… I like borders on some shots anyway… it's all about framing and display. Sure, some 4:3 shots are better as standalones, but there are also some that are enhanced by being framed.
That's me 2 cents… well… there's been some inflation… 2.89¢ ok? sheesh! picky picky…
That's my complaint.. Folks are too picky.. If they don't like a photo with a border then don't use it for wallpaper, but to tell an artist how do do his or her art is beyond arrogance.. If someone has a way to improve technique, then I am all ears.. This site isn't just about photography.. There is digital art here also and some looks better with borders and frames than without.. If you don't like it, don't download it and quit complaining about it.. I for one don't want to hear it and I will ignore it.. In fact I will probably tell the person to leave my artwork alone..
I don't mind black borders at all. Different people have different tastes about art, and I respect that.
Morwyn has been insulting me on many different threads for a long time, calling me a stupid brat when all I'm doing is trying to reason with her politely. And then, yesterday, she insulted me more, removed her entire gallery and left the site. I was fine with it, as she is totally unreasonable, and I decided to drop the whole topic. Just wanted you to know what really happened.
It's just that I'm really upset about her mentioning me in a negative light all over the discussion topics, and I'm trying to forget about her, but whenever I see those posts vilifying me, I always get reminded.
Anyone being a troll to anyone have no place here. Anyone having to put up with anyone being a troll to them have my full support. I'm not interested in the pointing of fingers. You will know yourself who you are. If you are lucky you aren't even one of the anyones to begin with. ^_^
On a different subject. The one at the top of the thread that is. I do understand your point but I thoroughly disagree that there could not be a point to be raised about it. It's part of the artistic presentation and expression how to frame your piece... Or not to... And if you really don't want "bad" comments on your creations on even silly little things then you are quite free to quit posting. That's not what I recommend though, the best thing is to just ignore silly comments and let people be silly if they want to. (I didn't say it would be fun or easy... :p)
I know you just had one of those days and had to get it off your chest. I'm not trying to raise the argument from the dead (not that it's *that* dead ^_^) and start it all over again. You are quite naturally, entirely entitled to your opinion. As I am. ;)
No matter what you do someone will whine about it.. some will like the border others wont.. it all comes down to personal taste.. to me some images need a little extra and sometimes a border can be perfect to bring the best of the image out, other times not.. its up to the artist whether they want to add a border or not as it is their creation, it is how they feel their art work should be displayed.. artists shouldnt be made to feel that they have to pamper to everyones tastes, its impossible to please everyone.. and the idea of artwork is to produce the artists creativity and THEIR work, I suggest if you personally feel that a border will bring out the best then add a border.... If people dont want it they can crop the border off themselves or if they do want the border they can stick it onto a black background themselves... that way everyone gets what they want from the image to make their desktop perfect.. It all comes down to what YOU feel..... as for your image "Reflections" I personally think it would look better with a thin border... but thats just my opinion ;)
Exactly. You put it very well. But with one addendum (as far as I'm concerned). The artists should not be pampered with either. (Sorry, I'm not a fan of "the sensitive artist"...) Then I'm with you all the way. ;) Like you said, it's not possible to please everyone. And that should not be a goal either, no? (Sorry, slightly edited, I didn't put myself quite right and was in a hurry.)
Oh I agree with you Klass.. you shouldnt pamper.. if you think it needs more work on it, or something isnt right then tell them in a nice way ;) .. its the only way to learn..
i could see both of your points on images where borders are placed in the image by choice. for instance u refer to reflections which is a 4:3 image. If i added a border to reflections it would be completely by choice because i thought it may improve the look of the image with a border. But i dont do that, when I place a border on an image it isnt by choice it is out of necessity. I'm not trying to improve the quality of my photography by adding a border. I'm trying to show it on a site where only 4:3 files can be submitted
I understand the basic premisses for your original complain. I respect that. There could be some cropping done naturally at times, to enhance the subject of the photo, but in the case where you get a perfect framing and positioning of the (vital, or whatnot) elements of a shot already in the camera (as it should ideally be) I agree it would be a shame to present it otherwise then by the means you propose under present circumstances.
I'm not arguing on any particular piece of yours though. It's the matter of principal I have my go at. Many if not most of the shots (or CGs for example) I see here that are using frames, does not add anything or only little to the "artistic value" of the piece. I.e. it simply makes it look like... Ok. I'll not go there I guess... :p Sort of did but you'll have to concoct your own little conclusion of what I may or may not have liked to say.
That is not to say that some pieces do not gain from the use of borders or that all images do best without them. I'm against all simplifications that are not vital to survival... Like, it's not necessary to debate the meaning of life every time one wakes up in the morning and start thinking of what to do... Snooze or get in time to the bus. (You know what I do, right? ^_^) Ok, that was part joke... But... Just because a technique is used in a, lets say, not the most successful manner by most doesn't mean you, that is obviously talented should stop using it. (And that was not a joke. ;) I really meant it.)