When I sort the permanent Rework gallery by date, it shows that only one entry has been made this year (in January), and in 2008 none since May of 2008. Is that right? What's up with that?

It means that no other reworks were deemed worthy of being promoted to that gallery during that time period. Fairly unsurprising since it's not one of the more regularly used galleries, but even if it were, submissions are judged on their worth alone, the only additional standard being whether similar images already exist in a gallery (i.e. 4 vases of purple irises are already in the gallery - unless yours is *really* different from those and unique, it won't be promoted).

Your image stands on its own, and is judged on its own merits solely with no concession to the number of other images total in a gallery or how long those images have been in there, or how often images have been promoted to that gallery.

Geesh! May seem unsurprising to you, but to me it seems like the judges need to lighten up a little, because only one image in the past year is not very encouraging for artists to even invest their time in reworking a piece!

I'm curious about your comment, "the only additional standard being whether similar images already exist in a gallery (i.e. 4 vases of purple irises are already in the gallery - unless yours is *really* different from those and unique, it won't be promoted)."
If you sort by date, the very first page shows four exact same photos with different colored skies, which made me yawn.

Looks like a lot of the ones that have made the gallery are just a change in lighting and/or gamma. I'm having a hard time seeing how that is so special.

If you'd like to ask questions (especially since you are relatively new here) about *why* things are done a certain way, feel free to.

And you are free not to agree with the decisions mods have made before about promoting to the main galleries. Not everyone's artistic taste is the same. However those decisions have been made by the mods and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

But the facts remain as stated above. If you have an interest in promoting the Reworks gallery, do a bunch more reworks and see what the results of that work is. Encourage others to rework images.

In other words - try more, ask questions that are a sincere request for information, take less offense, hang out longer and see if you can see the logic behind some of the decisions through more exposure.

And at whatever point, if you really disagree with the way that the site is being run, you are free not to participate. We value everyone's input, including new members, but no one is forced to be here. Either you enjoy the site or you don't. It's as simple as that.

Thank you animaniactoo for telling me what I can feel free to do.

It seems to me that if no reworks have been promoted since May of 2008 there is a problem that someone needs to pay some attention to instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying that is just the way it is.

I've created three reworks in my six weeks here and I think that is creating - as you say, "doing a bunch" for a gallery that you say is not regularly used. As you know, my best rework was archived within just days of it being posted, and that along with the stringent judgement on what goes in, I am totally discouraged from spending any more time and effort on growing the gallery. I guess just having the same old worn out reworks there forever is how it will remain. If anyone cares, my opinion is that this is a shame. To me, rework is a fun hobby and that is why I started this thread.

Does anyone else have an opinion on the Rework gallery other than animaniactoo? I'd like to hear some more people's opinions. Does anyone think that maybe some fresh blood would jazz it up a little, or is the majority content that one new admission to the gallery in the past 15 months is how it should be? Just askin'

The reason as to WHY there are not many works in the rework gallery.. not many people do rework most artists on here like to use their creativity to create new images..

I have looked at both images and yes the grass has gone and yes it is a huge job, but there isn't anything else different.. Here's a little story about rework.. a few years ago a friend of mine pulled his gallery down as he was going away for awhile.. when he came back he wasn't allowed to upload them again unless they were reworked.. he did that and so did I we made drastic changes to colour, frames etc only to have them rejected.. so for having your rework approved to even be in the gallery is very lucky..

Your lucky that the image has even been approved as others have reworked images only to be told that it's too close to the original that it was rejected. As for archiving.. a few years ago you would come on line check your gallery and find half of them have disappeared due to a spring clean.. I think archiving is not so bad the image is still in your gallery..

I know your frustrated with this rework business but honestly I would put your stress and frustrations into creating something original.. sitting here and going on and on about it is not going to change anything..

Caedes.net is *Caedes site how he wants to run it is up to him, you don't have to donate to be here, you don't have to even be a member to enjoy the images.. I personally think its a privilege to be able to upload my work (hobby) to share with others whether its in a permanent gallery or archived (which a lot have been).

All this crying seriously is not going to change.. as Cat said you either like the site or not.

You can't get everything the way you want in life especially when the site is not yours.. maybe you can start a site yourself just for reworks (as long as you get permission from the artists) that way you have total control of what is approved and whats not.. try MSN groups or something at least its a start and you'll be a lot happier.

You know this site is supposed to be fun.. a great place to meet people, share ideas, and share the world your work.. RELAX and ENJOY there are more bigger problems in this world than complaining about a rework gallery.. move on life's too short

seriously get over yourself - you have an issue - but surely it would have been better resolved with a simple query directly to an image moderator rather than trying to provoke some sort of (not too original) flame/troll campaign in the forums. trust me on this one. we've all seen it all before and no one is interested.

Images that are promoted to the perms are done so on their individual merits regardless of the content or gallery. its that simple. not rocket science and not a conspiracy either. make of it what you will.

Thanks for your opinion J.

Seems like a lot of drama queens on here, I am not "crying", I'm asking why my work was pulled in just a very short time. This is the second time it has happened and your talk about archiving is not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about my work that is archived in the first few days!! It's different than archiving work after a month like the FAQ says.

You can trivialize my change to that photo as just removing the grass, but that is what I see in the rework gallery, just lightened an area that was dark, just changed the gamma, just tweaked the color of the sky, just added HDR. It's all "just changed the . . . .whatever", that's what rework is!

I would not have minded if my work had been archived after a month, but it was in the first few days, I think within 24 hours actually. People liked it and commented that it was something they could not have done. It was a rework.

BTW, your sentence stating that I can't get everything in life that I want is infantile. I learned that at about age 1.

philic, get over your own self.

I did not start any threads on the subject until I did as you said, I asked a simple query of a mod, which to this day has still not answered me, even though I wrote again since then. So, if that worked, you would not see anything here about it.

I learn by asking, and by challenging the status quo. You would not believe how many people never even stop to think about things until it is brought to light. If you want to accept that the Rework gallery never gets anything put in it, then so be it, but I take the higher road and ask why.

And on your comment on work being promoted only on it's own merit, have you looked at the Rework gallery? Most of the work is not, as you say, "rocket science" material.

Anyone that wants to attack me, please do so in a PM. If you want to add value to a thread, then step up and add value.

You would not believe how many people never even stop to think about things until it is brought to light.

The thing is you have and have you noticed how many people have got involved in the threads?

And BTW I wasn't attacking you whatsoever, I was trying to make you see it from another point of view as I am NOT a mod only a member.. but obviously there is only one opinion you are looking for and it is the one for someone to agree with you.

Best of luck in your ventures... I won't be contributing to your threads any more.

When you call what I say "crying" and you tell me that I "can't get everything in life that I want," that is very condescending, like you are speaking to a small child about a lollipop.

I would not treat you like that and I don't expect you to to treat me like that. I am hoping that we are all adults here and could speak to one another as such.

Marti, if your method of being involved is to challenge the status quo before you have even learned why it *is* the status quo, you're not going to get much traction. It's a voluntary website. Either stay and participate and enjoy (maybe it's not the mods who need to lighten up so much - just a thought...), or don't. In the meantime - this is how the site works.

"Your image stands on its own, and is judged on its own merits solely with no concession to the number of other images total in a gallery or how long those images have been in there, or how often images have been promoted to that gallery."

Knowing those are the terms, you can continue to upload and know that is the only benchmark by which your image will be dealt with in regards to inclusion in the main galleries, or don't. The choice is entirely up to you.

How can I learn what the status quo is by just putting work out and having it archived in a day or two? That action creates questions for me.

So I do a rework and I upload it, I get positive comments and a lot of views, but it is very short lived because it is archived right away. I wonder, 'was it not worthy of at least the regular 30 day review period?' Then I notice that reworks not only get archived right off the bat, but they pretty much never make it to the Rework gallery. Doesn't this raise a question in your mind? Well it did mine.

You might want to make me a villain for asking about it, but hey, I'm not a wall flower, I am free to ask about things that make me go "hmmmm". So I do!

I believe the original question has been answered.