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Firstly, how do you know? As I understand it you can get sudden drops in CI because of the statistical way it is calculated and not because someone votes a 0. Secondly, the CI seem appropriate for the images anyway, so why are you fretting? Personally I would be glad of scores like that.
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"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs." Ansel Adams - Please look at other images in my Gallery.
Chris, I am NOT fretting :)
It has nothing to do with the final scores, or sudden drops, simply an effort to discover why some people vote zeros - and why they did on these images. They are just 4 of many, and from what has been said in other discussions many members are affected.
How do I know?
Simple . . .
Anyone can use the new feature in Caedes Control where you can see the summary of individual votes.
Go to your caedes control and click on the 'votes'number for any of your images and this is what you will see CLICK HERE
As far as my understanding goes this shows zeros were voted, and I would like to know the reasons - thats all.
I don't think they are worthless images but of course I am biased. What do you think?
:)LE
It has nothing to do with the final scores, or sudden drops, simply an effort to discover why some people vote zeros - and why they did on these images. They are just 4 of many, and from what has been said in other discussions many members are affected.
How do I know?
Simple . . .
Anyone can use the new feature in Caedes Control where you can see the summary of individual votes.
Go to your caedes control and click on the 'votes'number for any of your images and this is what you will see CLICK HERE
As far as my understanding goes this shows zeros were voted, and I would like to know the reasons - thats all.
I don't think they are worthless images but of course I am biased. What do you think?
:)LE
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Fascinating. I am sorry Lyn, I dod not know about this feature.
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"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs." Ansel Adams - Please look at other images in my Gallery.
No worries Chris :)
Anyone care to join me while I wait for a reply ? We could have a cup of tea, or re-invent the wheel - or start a sing-along - . . . . . .
CLICK
(but I think we know the answer :) )
:)LE
Anyone care to join me while I wait for a reply ? We could have a cup of tea, or re-invent the wheel - or start a sing-along - . . . . . .
CLICK
(but I think we know the answer :) )
:)LE
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Hi Lyn.
We have all suffered the cowards' darts. I think of them as drive by zeros. More coward than critic.
I have really enjoyed this thread and think, how grand it would be, if one of these zeros would come forward and support their positions. I am not holding my breath.
Here is a quote, by François de la Rochefoucauld, concerning bravery, "True bravery is shown by performing without witness what one might be capable of doing before all the world."
Theses zeros have a world court. Where are they?
We have all suffered the cowards' darts. I think of them as drive by zeros. More coward than critic.
I have really enjoyed this thread and think, how grand it would be, if one of these zeros would come forward and support their positions. I am not holding my breath.
Here is a quote, by François de la Rochefoucauld, concerning bravery, "True bravery is shown by performing without witness what one might be capable of doing before all the world."
Theses zeros have a world court. Where are they?
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It would be delightful if an "unfair" zero poster turned up to explain their zero but I suspect LE's point is well made by their absence. They are votes without substance.
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It is not "The powerful attack the weak." it is "The fearful attack what they fear."
Or possibly they don't feel very welcome, despite this being an "invitation" - I certainly wouldn't after being called a "coward".
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There are few situations in life that cannot be honourably settled, and without any loss of time, either by suicide, a bag of gold, or by thrusting a despised antagonist over the edge of a precipice on a dark night.
-- Kai Lung
Or maybe they do not feel anything at all.
What is being discussed is not the random, occassional zero given in belief that a zero is the deserving grade, but rather the usage of zeros and ones as the main grade awarded.
We all have examples in our galleries with fifteen or more votes to the right of a five and then the one or two votes from zero to one. The picture did not deserve being judged by those individuals so harshly.
I agree with most of what I have read above. If you do not feel comfortable with the VB, then do not put you picture in there to be judged.
In my mind, a few people with anonymity, cannot change the value of what I post, only I can. But, it would be nice if one of them would come forward and explain, so we may understand why they do what they do.
What is being discussed is not the random, occassional zero given in belief that a zero is the deserving grade, but rather the usage of zeros and ones as the main grade awarded.
We all have examples in our galleries with fifteen or more votes to the right of a five and then the one or two votes from zero to one. The picture did not deserve being judged by those individuals so harshly.
I agree with most of what I have read above. If you do not feel comfortable with the VB, then do not put you picture in there to be judged.
In my mind, a few people with anonymity, cannot change the value of what I post, only I can. But, it would be nice if one of them would come forward and explain, so we may understand why they do what they do.
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Or possibly they don't read the forums. All I know is, I certainly wouldn't bother trying to defend myself under the circumstances.
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There are few situations in life that cannot be honourably settled, and without any loss of time, either by suicide, a bag of gold, or by thrusting a despised antagonist over the edge of a precipice on a dark night.
-- Kai Lung
My invitation was not for them to defend themselves - simply explain. That should not be a 'bother'
This is Request For Comment - so I am requesting their comments.
Likely they have no time to read the discussion forums - they are busy elsewhere.
This is Request For Comment - so I am requesting their comments.
Likely they have no time to read the discussion forums - they are busy elsewhere.
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Don't be upset, Lyn There are a number of frustrated people on this site, who take pleasure in to give a good picture a zero. They are cowards, and I'm sure they will never left any comment on your images !
these people are very sick, and you should really feel sorry for them !
I got zero's too, on almost every image , even if the C index average is an 80 or a 90
I t does'nt make any sense, so I ignore it !
John
these people are very sick, and you should really feel sorry for them !
I got zero's too, on almost every image , even if the C index average is an 80 or a 90
I t does'nt make any sense, so I ignore it !
John
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-*A Wallpaper is worth a million words - And I leave them Speechless!*- ...
I think everyone knows that I do not expect any response. The courage of their convictions is needed for that.
I only used my own images as examples, I know many others have been affected the same way and of course it is something that was perhaps happening before but now we can see our score summaries.
I am not going to pretend I did not care when I saw the number of zeroes - to have an image trashed as worthless is not nice, but really I am not very bothered about my own scores any more. There was a time when they meant a lot - and I trusted the results as being genuine. I well remember my first upload and waiting with bated breath to receive a score in the low 30's - and I was delighted, even accepting that the score was probably higher than deserved. It was also an incentive to improve.
I believe the VB can be an attraction to newcomers as a gauge of where they are at and it also helps with the sorting of images. Many very good images sink into oblivion if they are not promoted or sorted according to quality, and that is a shame - for the artists and for the site's image.
The VB is an intregal part of the caedes site - it should be respected and the right to vote considered a privilege, not something to be rushed through to enable our own inclusion in the voting. I am at a loss to know why some members chose to vote zeroes when they are underserved - is it just laziness or is the their way of entertaining themselves - a daily dose of 'trash some images' just for fun ? Only they can tell us.
Either way it is an abuse of the voting system and by accepting it as though they are just naughty mischievous children having a bit of fun is just condoning their behaviour of abusing the VB for their own entertainment or their own advantage.
:)LE
I only used my own images as examples, I know many others have been affected the same way and of course it is something that was perhaps happening before but now we can see our score summaries.
I am not going to pretend I did not care when I saw the number of zeroes - to have an image trashed as worthless is not nice, but really I am not very bothered about my own scores any more. There was a time when they meant a lot - and I trusted the results as being genuine. I well remember my first upload and waiting with bated breath to receive a score in the low 30's - and I was delighted, even accepting that the score was probably higher than deserved. It was also an incentive to improve.
I believe the VB can be an attraction to newcomers as a gauge of where they are at and it also helps with the sorting of images. Many very good images sink into oblivion if they are not promoted or sorted according to quality, and that is a shame - for the artists and for the site's image.
The VB is an intregal part of the caedes site - it should be respected and the right to vote considered a privilege, not something to be rushed through to enable our own inclusion in the voting. I am at a loss to know why some members chose to vote zeroes when they are underserved - is it just laziness or is the their way of entertaining themselves - a daily dose of 'trash some images' just for fun ? Only they can tell us.
Either way it is an abuse of the voting system and by accepting it as though they are just naughty mischievous children having a bit of fun is just condoning their behaviour of abusing the VB for their own entertainment or their own advantage.
:)LE
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust
Wow....I have just taken a look at some of the images that you had several votes of 0 on and all i can say is that im astonished!!!
When i first noticed i had a lot of 0's i thought in the back of my head, maybe that the votes of 0 were given by real proffessionals who had a "higher standard of artwork" as i know a lot of you are professionals. However the photos i have just viewed were Amazing and in my opinion faultless.
This really is down to nasty spiteful voters. And sadly i will no longer take any notice of the c-index which is a great shame, as like LynEve, i too am like a big kid everytime i posted a photo! I cant wait to see what the other members have thought about it, it used to be really rewarding! But not anymore.
When i first noticed i had a lot of 0's i thought in the back of my head, maybe that the votes of 0 were given by real proffessionals who had a "higher standard of artwork" as i know a lot of you are professionals. However the photos i have just viewed were Amazing and in my opinion faultless.
This really is down to nasty spiteful voters. And sadly i will no longer take any notice of the c-index which is a great shame, as like LynEve, i too am like a big kid everytime i posted a photo! I cant wait to see what the other members have thought about it, it used to be really rewarding! But not anymore.
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We are each others angels...we meet when it is time.
Thank you for this interesting and useful piece of information I was in the dark about it Lyn So I checked it out and one of my pictures with a C-index of 82 had a Zero..he he, I guess someone must have really hated it.
"Anyone can use the new feature in Caedes Control where you can see the summary of individual votes.
Go to your caedes control and click on the 'votes'number for any of your images and this is what you will see CLICK HERE"
Diane
"Anyone can use the new feature in Caedes Control where you can see the summary of individual votes.
Go to your caedes control and click on the 'votes'number for any of your images and this is what you will see CLICK HERE"
Diane
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The invitation is still open :)
Perhaps the voter who in the past few hours has added zeroes to my last 4 votable images would care to enlighten me as to the reasons?
There is no indication in the comments so I presume vindictiveness or someone's idea of fun is the reason.
LE
Perhaps the voter who in the past few hours has added zeroes to my last 4 votable images would care to enlighten me as to the reasons?
There is no indication in the comments so I presume vindictiveness or someone's idea of fun is the reason.
LE
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My thanks to all who leave comments for my work and to those of you who like one enough to make it a favourite. To touch just one person that way makes each image worthwhile. . . . . . . . . .. . . . "The question is not what you look at, but what you see" ~ Marcel Proust . . . . The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." ~ Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
to please come forward and give your reasons after your considered evaluations. I have many others I could give links to and I believe other members do also, but some indication on these would be appreciated by me and perhaps others.
All voters are entitled to their opinions, and they must be respected, that is the way an annonymous voting system works but I think it is common courtesy if you decide an image is of no worth at all (as in zero votes) to point out its failings and suggest ways to improve. My pages are open for comment, or you can post here or by pm. Simply claiming you do not like landscapes is not good enough - if you take the time to vote and evaluate an image you should be prepared to offer some feedback if an image is such an affront to your eyes to render it a worthless zero.
Like many people I believe I am my own harshest critic and I would not consider uploading an image I thought was a waste of space - so please enlighten me as to why these images are - I may see what I do in a completely different light.
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RSVP Asap