Heyyyyyy!


\/ What's up with this? \/

"Remove purmusic from Praetor's position."


:oP

Is that a personal desire or someone's request? Wasn't me who posted that....honest.

I put it up as an option:

i) For some levity.
ii) Tie in with another post, to resurrect this poll in the membership's eyes.

Annd..

iii) Allow for some 'venting', if need be.

/\ Kind of like an e-dunk tank.

Go on.. toss a few baseballs, see if 'you' can hit the target and 'Dunk The Praetor'.

... ...

Why, thank you.

Colour choice was most difficult, and I feel the red Speedo brings out the colour of my eyes in the morning.

:oP

Wasn't me!

Red speedos?

Red herring !!

:)

Yesss!

I'm only running second, as a suggestion/option behind that of changes to the Voting Booth/C-Index.

Puts things into perspective, doncha fink?


My mom always told me that I was.. special.

:oD

'Huh. Two bites and not one keeper..'

(*reels in line*)


'Time to switch things up, and go after the 'big one' ("Outright ban on troll baiting. ;-) ").'

:oP

I'm not sure where I should ask about the VB image size or if it's already been mentioned above. I'm not sure if this is an issue with my oversized monitor or a change in the VB.

Anyway, in the VB when I click on the image that I'm voting on, the image is far less than full sized. I just voted on what looked to be an average shot and gave it a 5. When I clicked on the shot I had just voted on to see who had posted it and to read the narrative, I viewed the full sized image and determined that it probably deserved as much as an 8.

I gave up on Flickr because the screen size was minimal. I don't think the photos in the VB are getting a fair shake when full screen size is not available.

Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter.

Roger

I see your point. Some of the smaller photos you can click on to enlarge more. But then there's some large ones that just don't enlarge enough to see them good...can't click them to get them larger...Good idea!

(*points to top of page*)


"Larger image viewing sizes via the Voting Booth."

/\ That sum things up?

Many folks click the users name or avatar to go to the commenters home page and leave their thank yous there. Others send a PM by clicking on the word "message" below the users avatar Still others just give a cred to acknowledge the comment.
""""""""""""""""""

I would like to see a reply (button) feature added to the image discussion comments. Such that an artists reply could be made (indented?) under the comment in a way that others could see it in context. The reply could automatically appear in the commenters home page or another notification method could be devised such as a subscribed discussion notification.

I believe this would benefit every one involved. The artist would not have to leave the image page to make replies and thank yous, Others would see the artists reaction to critique and perhaps learn if they are open to critique or not. This may also reduce the counter comments coming after a critique saying " I think "X" looks just fine the way it is." etc.

Oh yes; the reply button should only be available to the owner of the image that was commented on.

Like the comments and replies Here.


Now: can some one please tell me how to condense that down to a one line option to put in the poll above? Or should I put the whole paragraph in that little box?



http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Board::Topic&id=2981837

Hmm...
I know=

Artist reply under comment on image page like Redbuble.com.

I have on occasion posted something that looked fine on my screen but had a flaw or two that could be easily corrected. I would like to be able to do that correction within Caedes and not have to remove the picture and lose any of the comments it may have.

/\ Interesting proposition, John.

Can appreciate where you are coming from on this.


Thinking out loud and playing devil's advocate here..

If the comments pertaining to the original upload are kept intact on the changed image's page, might be a tad confusing though?

Re: "Allow members to nominate one image per month to be forwarded to the Art Council."

See this discussion.. "Followup to the AC Poll".

re "Add a aback and white gallery"

As someone who posts a lot of B&W I disagree. If anything B&W would need to be a genre, like illustration or Computer, so that it can have gallery's according to subject.

But, why? I used to feel that a B&W gallery would be useful to promote this particular art form, but now I am not so sure. Good B&W images are just as good as good colour ones. If there is a bias against B&W it comes from inside the membership and should be tackled by informing and producing great B&W images, not by being treated as a special case.

If I had two votes, I'd vote for corrective editing too. It's the thought that counts, right?

"Ban just Roger"

LOLOL.


A sense of humour is indeed important to maintain one's insan.. ... erhm, sanity.

:o)

How about "Polls with check boxes instead of radio buttons"?

"Allow members to nominate one image per month to be forwarded to the Art Council."


To clarify.. and my bad, I should have stipulated this;

"Allow members to nominate one image from their own galleries per month, to be forwarded to the Art Council."

How about have Caedes come on site and see the nonsense that is going on in his name as in the above suggestion regarding me, no doubt left by none other than - - -. Who else thinks of himself as running the site? If there was oversight, that suggestion would have not been allowed to remain.
So what is all this talk of mutual respect? Just talk?

Sorry, I can no longer take this Poll seriously.
A good idea spoilt by stupidity.

Whatever happened to
The Caedes.net Code of Conduct
1. General
b.
and
f.

???????????

The only option I would consider adding is that some sort of Elephant Graveyard be established for counter-productive Poll additions.

Anyone can enter something for the poll, there is no reason to believe that it is a specific person.

Unfortunately I don't believe that poll items can be shamed, because that is out of line and should not remain.

I rarely post comments on the discussion boards; frankly, the bickering that goes on, with a few seemingly wanting to dominate the topic and writing rather nasty comments about those who disagree, is disturbing. Several of the poll topics listed in this board are appalling and offensive. "The banishment of Cynlee." is the primary offensive one to me. If intended at humor, it horribly missed the mark. If intended to insult her, I'm sure it worked very well. The anonymous coward that posted it should be ashamed. I would hope that the person who posted this had the character to identify himself / herself. If among the larger egos that want to dominate the discussion threads, my comments will go unnoticed by that person, however. It is this kind of meanness that is so disturbing.

To me, the larger question is the exodus of a number of long-time members of this site. Perhaps the behavior of a few is causing a number of good people to reconsider their participation. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a shame.

Comments of those who leave seem to focus around the conduct of one or more moderators. While I appreciate their role, that these comments are sustained makes me think that there may be some validity in the words of those who leave. Only those directly involved can know for sure, but, I do wonder.

This poll, as it has evolved, is petty and without validity. That is too bad. A site for posting images and offering a variety of DT items for others should keep its primary functions in mind.

(*sigh*)

See this discussion thread:

"C-Index"


And in particular, this post:

+purmusic - 7/01/12 16:34

"That silliness aside.. I've put the suggestion up on the Suggestion Poll ... to bring back the C-Index. In some shape or form."

I have not been active in Caedes all that long, although I have enjoyed the beautiful art for many years. It is a sad thing (but not surprising!) to see all the fighting and wonderful people leaving. The person who made that poll suggestion about Cindy shouldn't even be in Caedes. You don't have to like everyone at Caedes to get along...just like you don't have to like or be liked by other people in any life situation. Grow up, people!
Tom Hula

I agree with Tom (Starry173) - It is patently offensive to me to have that suggestion regarding Cindy in this poll! However my suspicion is that it was put in by a moderator and another moderator does not have the guts (I would prefer another more pungent word) to pull it. Really, can't everyone act like the adults they are supposed to be!

Im thinking that the topic about Cindy is a cruel joke. I've never seen anything quite like it in Caedes. Since when do we do things like this? I am appalled. Does this mean that anyone who questions something or disagrees with the tone often used by at least one of the mods should be banished?

A personal attack on Cindy added to a poll???? Get real.....what a sad day for this site to leave that up. Any other site would have immediately taken that down!!!

To make it clear. NO moderator has the ability to take it down. I do not believe that Geri ever thought that someone would do something like that, and therefore provided no capabilities to either the moderators or the consuls to remove it.

This is not an issue of guts, this is an issue of capabilities.

Maybe the poll, as it is, could be sent to the Hall of Shame. It really is completely inappropriate and doesn't follow the code of conduct. I just can't even come to grips about how I'd feel if my name had been used instead of Cindy's.

Unfortunately I do not have the ability to censor the poll, otherwise I would simply remove the whole thing.

And to those who make baseless and incorrect accusations: it is that kind of behavior that leads to problems like this in the first place.

I'm pretty sure the person who adds a poll item also has the ability to change it, so I would appeal to them to remove it if they can. As it is it really is counter productive and helps no one. It does nothing but to fan the flames and create further fights, so please do the right thing and get rid of it. Thanks.

Also if anyone did vote for that suggestion, could they please change their vote. Once all the votes are removed it should disappear.

I just changed one by adding a topic to the poll. Yup, my idea is the one second to the bottom. Include the name of the person adding a suggestion to the poll.

I agree with Logun7 "A personal attack on Cindy added to a poll???? Get real.....what a sad day for this site to leave that up. Any other site would have immediately taken that down"

As already stated above, nobody present has the ability to remove it. I might as well ask you to do it.

I don't know if I'm going blind or what!! I read and reread all these comments and I fail to see what the heck is going on!!! Where is the personal attack on Cindy?? If I can't see it I don't know what was said. But from what I AM reading no one should be attacking anyone!!! So childish and not what this site is for.

I was pointed in the right direction and now I see....and I'm sick!!! Delete that damn thing!!!! How could anybody be so cruel? Cindy has been nothing but wonderful....at least to me :-) She's not capable of being mean and its STILL not what this site is about!!!

+animaniactoo and =Samatar I'm sorry but someone on this site has the ability to take it down. I think it's a low down dirty rotten shame to leave something up like that. I'm sure Cindy is livid because if that was my name up there I sure as hell would be mad!!!! To let a member of your site be humiliated is no more appropriate that the person who posted something like that in the first place.

No, as with several other site functions, Geri (caedes) is the only person who has the ability to remove it. Until he logs in, there is nothing that any of the rest of us can do.

EXCUSE ME.

IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT OUR CHARACTER. WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING. NO CAPABILITY.

Now you can either hear me say this AGAIN and accept that if we COULD take it down, we would, or you can continue to blame us for not being able to do things we have ZERO ABILITY TO DO.

Your choice.

Just wondering.....if someone's suggestion would be Go to **** (with the letters left in) would it appear in the poll?

I don't know. And I'm not willing to try to find out! lol.

A thin skinned CAT gets cold very easily.

I would like to suggest a truce. I am not as self-centered as some might think and while I was very much surprised by the suggestion about removing me, I thought also of how anyone else might feel were their name inserted where mine is now. I am saddened to know that someone views me in that manner and I truly feel sorry that they are of such low character that they would write such words publicly or even think them.

My sincerest wishes were only ever that the site would prosper and we could enjoy it as much as we once did being here together , sharing our artwork as well as problems that arose in our everyday lives. Friends here can be and are very loyal and supportive of each other; most, that is, except for the sick minded ones who leave such suggestions in polls and other places, but we all know there are going to be those who spoil the situation for us all on occasion.

In the evolution of this website there has been introduced a level of suspicion and distrust between the members and the site moderators. I believe some of the problem arises from Caedes not having much of a presence or involvement with the site and from the sometimes tactless words of those in managerial positions.

The mods are human and make mistakes, but it is necessary that they also realize that we are human too and should be spoken to and of with the respect due to all human beings. Truly, it is not all of them who are less than sensitive to this, only some of them. I believe that a couple of the above suggestions should never have been made and some mechanism should exist to remove any hurtful or silly posting since comments much milder in character are removed at the drop of a period and sent to a Hall of Shame.

I am most grateful for the support my friends have shown in the situation, but I do believe that the mods hands are tied and they don't have the ability to remove those suggestions put into a poll. (I seem to have been wrong on that one).

I do get a little worked up when a friend tells me that they feel they have been treated unfairly by those in charge and my natural inclination is to come to their defense and sometimes my voice becomes a little strident and I don't mince words. That is in my nature and we can't all be Pollyannas, I guess. Please forgive me. It would behoove me to try to be more delicate in commenting on any problem that exists, but I am not going to cast aspersions or throw stones at people who live in glass houses. Everyone can look at their own faults and choose, or not, to deal with them.

I am saddened every time I hear that one of my friends or acquaintances is leaving the site because of some misunderstanding or altercation with a mod. Maybe it is as the cliche states, "Familiarity breeds contempt" or else like people who blast each other with their car horns because they are encased in a steel capsule and can remain semi-anonymous, people on web pages say things they wouldn't to your face because they are hiding behind a computer monitor. I don't really know the cause and I don't really have an answer.

Addendum: I see that the offending suggestion has recently been removed (by Caedes?)

Cindy, I appreciate very much what you have said here, and for myself, I accept the offer of a truce. I think that if we make it a standard practice to give each other the benefit of the doubt, much of the high-emotion stuff can be avoided.

"spend time connecting with artist sharing tips and working together on projects."

Sounds good good to me.

And has my vote.

Thank you Cindy for that offer. It is accepted by me and if I offend anyone via my words, please feel free to contact me by PM or email: mimi@caedes.net

"Spend time connecting with artist sharing tips and working together on projects" gets my vote.

Isn't that what this site is all about?

I would also like to thank whoever changed and removed their votes from the other negative poll item to allow its disappearance. Much appreciated over here.

Me too....thank you!.. re: Cat's post /\

I've just voted on the option 'Remove the option about Cindy or I will leave this site forever.'

Image Mod's are able to reject images wich aren't in compliance with the COC. Image Mod's are able to send given comments to the 'Hall of shame'. Therefore they should get the possibility to reject (in advance) negative poll items, like personal attacks on members, as well.

Cornelius.

Edit: see now that the personal attack item is removed. See too that Geri's (*Caedes) last visit to the site was on December 5th, 2011. So I'm curious who, in spite of the information above, was still capable of rejecting this poll item.

Hey Cornelius, if you read up aways, you'll see that Sam theorized that if the item had no votes, it would disappear, and asked whoever had created it and whoever else had voted on it to change their votes. Looks like they did so and that did the trick.

How do you remove a vote in a poll? Just wondering. I might want to do that sometime.

Cindy ... As far as removing a vote from a poll feature ... I know it cannot be done by itself / alone once a member has voted for a specific feature. The only way to remove the vote from a specific feature is to select another feature & then click vote. This will remove your previous vote & your new vote will then be counted in the poll.

I found this out when I changed my vote on a contest topic & it also works in the polls as well.

Hope this helps & answers your question. I'm sure the mods will be able to explain it better.

I think I followed that, Sherree and thank you. I noticed that at the same time that the suggestion about me was removed another derogatory suggestion about the mods just above it was removed as well, so several people who read this poll must have developed a conscience and changed their votes I guess.

It is odd how this thread languished between the end of November and January 17 when I discovered it, but it is moot now that those offensive suggestions have been removed. Maybe all concerned, me included, have learned something from this experience. Something good, hopefully.

It's baaaaaack..

(*points up*)

"Re-introduce a scoring system for images."


Why?

1) Feedback to artists.

2) Ranking would allow for better sorting/selections for "Featured Images" on the front page of site.

3) Members might end up investing more in the site if the functionality/option was operating in some shape or form, once again. (I.e. Spending more time on site, increase page views per, et al.)


So, you know.. the proverbial win-win?

With only one option there's no way to tell how many people voted ...

Try hovering your cursor over any one option/suggestion's vote total bar.. to get the total number of votes per option/suggestion.

Right now, I can tell that there are five votes and two votes for the respective suggestions in place.


Unless, you are saying that with only one option up.. that functionality does not work?

It works - I just didn't think to try hovering ...

I still don't get it! I don't see anything different anywhere!!!

Not sure what you are referring to, Joanie?

Wait.. so's we understand one another here..

... ...

Not sure what you are referring to, Joanie?!?!


I keed, I keed.

Although, not about having to fill in some of the blanks in your above post. Have to elaborate some more.

The scoring system for the images. Where are the changes? I don't see anything different!! Where's this voting thing at??

Oh, ok.


When I wrote/posted;

"It's baaaaaack..

(*points up*)

"Re-introduce a scoring system for images." "


I was simply referring to the suggestion being put back up on the poll to be voted on.

Not, that the function had returned to the site as yet.

And..

A discussion thread is in place for discussion/suggestions on how to improve the old C-Index.. here. If you are interested.

Thanks Les!

'Modify image entry into contest!'

...(given that these contests seem to hold so much importance here!).. I propose that a person be allowed to enter her/his image immediately after uploading it, prior to acceptance by a moderator... with the knowledge that should the image be rejected by the moderator accepting/rejecting the images, the entry of the image into the contest would be null and void. In my mind that would solve the problem of having the image accepted prior to the deadline and then entered into the contest by the poster again prior to the deadline. How about it Geri?! ☺ Have you got the programming fingers warmed-up? :o)

This, I believe, would set things up so the poster knows that he/she is too late or NOT! The voting notifications could come out some 12-24 hours (or whatever) after the termination of a contest entry period to give time for the moderator during that time period to do her/his work.  ☺

'Modify image entry into contest!'

Boy this thread is years old it smells all musty! anyway I take the point is to vote at the top ........... right.

Phil, it is not really old as the Poll suggestions are ever- changing. Quote from *caedes' introductory post viewable in the hidden overflow messages
"old recommendations will be automatically removed from the poll in order to keep it up-to-date"

The poll maybe fresh Lyn but the original thread is still musty, there are some very interesting comments to read in the overflow mode.

Re: Contest Changes (option now up as of this writing)

1) Increase the time frame for the Contests.. from that of the current twelve (12) days.. to that of three (3) weeks.

2) Change/edit the header info for the Contest Topic Poll page to include:

"Try to keep in mind, when suggesting a topic:

i) Open to all genres of art. Not just photography.
ii) Add a short description (one or two lines is sufficient) , so 'we' know what the artistic aim/intention of the subject matter is.
iii) Try not to repeat previous topics."


(See this discussion thread for more: Contests)

re: Contest changes iii)

Dating back to 2009 there have been 96 (if I counted correctly) contests. I don't see that it would matter all that much of some were repeated.
Looking back at the entries in earlier contests there are very many names that are now unfamiliar on the site - and there are many new members here since then who may appreciate some of the excellent topics already used before.

Ergo.. the qualifiers.. 'try not to repeat'.

;o)

(*looks up..*)

Now, you're talking!

... ...

Writing.. I meant, writing.. posting. You know.

(looks up)
I was wondering where you were! :-)

(*looks up.. again*)

Good good thing Joanie is wearing slacks..


:oP

Not even amusing.

Just finished PM'ing a member.. and I recalled a suggestion above that was germane to our PMs.

This:


"EXIF and/or Software used added to narrative area of images."

Or.. "Expanded image description area."


To include fields for;

i) EXIF data
ii) Program/software used for CGI imagery/works.

If left 'blank' ... then this area of an image's accompanying narrative will not be seen and reverts to that of only a 'narrative'.


Added back as suggestion above.

dismantle .. or .. datmantle?

Decisions, decisions.. decisions.

I have a great suggestion! How about when issuing Creds, you place a drop down menu where you can choose the quantity of creds given instead of repeatedly clicking the + icon. Also, a method to "choose all messages" especially when deleting notices of someone liking your comments, etc.

I would like to second the 'choose all messages' sugestion. I believe it has been suggested in the past with no result - it really would be most helpful :)
Sorry :) I do not agree with the creds drop down menu - why not just award 1 cred each time - it gets the message across just as well as half a dozen.

Re: Choose all messages.

"Also, a method to "choose all messages" especially when deleting notices of someone liking your comments, etc."

I am pretty sure, that.. after a period of time the notifications (found under "Jobs" in the side menus) do expire all by their lonesome.. no user input/action required.

I don't have a suitable present entry for the current contest available (an image that can be or is uploaded to Caedes after this contest was been started), and it's doubtful whether I can go for a photo shoot within the available time to achieve a proper entry.
In that case there won't be a contribution from my side. I suppose that other Caedes members had (in the past) or have (nowadays) a comparable situation.
If a member had the possibility to enter an approved post from his or her complete gallery, the situation would be different and possibly even more attractive.
I suppose that changing the criteria will take 'some' (please notice the quotes) effort from 'Caedes' (Gerald), but that might be not that complicated because a list of selectable images already can be found by checking-out the link 'Caedes Control' at the left column on the Caedes main page.
It might be even easier by not using the 'limited time frame' within an image has to be posted, in stead of using it.
Think and hope too that it will stimulate the Caedes-members for participating in future contests.

Cornelius

If I may, Cornelius.. add that as an option above at the top of this page. Else it looks like there has been no activity on this discussion thread for the most part.

Type in your idea/suggestion in the field provided beside "Add an option =>".. click on the empty circle/checkmark "o".. click on "Vote" and done.

(/\ Might have to check the above steps, as it's been a while since I've done similarly and I am seriously under caffeinated at the moment.)

It should then appear afterward for anyone else to add their vote to your suggestion.

Photojournalism and Street Photography added to categories.

I would like to have the ability to edit a picture after I have posted it rather than having to remove it, make the edit, and re-post it. Sometimes you have a number of comments on a picture and then you notice something you would like to correct but don't want to lose the comments.

Often, when reading comments on my pictures, I will read a comment which makes a great point or may pose a question. I would like to give a reply and one that all may see because the observation or question written may be informational for other artists as well. I propose that besides "complain" and "message," a new option, "reply," be added which would create a sub-box within the comment for replies from the originating artist of the picture to the commenting artist. This would be similar to the "reply" field Facebook offers their members.

Instead of limiting people to only one entry into the monthly contests, allow as many as they would like to enter. Since the quantity of participants isn't overwhelming, why not at least have more to look at to choose from?

I agree with John. Not so far as to make as many as you like permitted but at least 2.. And also allowing us to enter 'old' images. The rules as they are worked when there was a large membership but as things are today we need all we can do to make the contests interesting. Currently they really are not. It is predictable who will enter so at least let us see a larger variety of works and give us the chance to showcase some of our earlier work which sits in the dark, in limbo. Anyone that takes the time to explore 'old' images can see that there are many many fine works that never made it to the main galleries. They are never seen.

Likewise the image of the week should be able to be chosen from all images from year one. Please give us more to keep our interest and fire some enthusiasm.
Please

Good points by both Casechaser and LynEve. I especially like the ability to enter old photos. Just not ones that have previously won a contest.

I would like to see a new gallery, maybe call it Media; an outgrowth of Pat's movie initiative, whereas the artists create pieces influenced by movies, TV, books, art, etc.