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I am sick and tired

01/17/12 9:55 PM GMT
I have seen SEVERAL comments recently berating mods for doing their jobs, and talking about the attitudes of mods.

Please let me be clear. No rules have changed. Rules are being enforced. Pretty much the same as they always have been. Have there been periods when things were missed more often? Yes. But not for so long that anybody should have gotten the message that this is a free-for-all in terms of what is permissible to upload and what proper crediting is.

If people flout the rules or continuously "miss" what the rules are, yes, more strongly worded messages and warnings are sent. Necessary to be clear.

This is OUR JOB. We didn't make it up - it is there in the Code of Conduct and our job descriptions. As members, it is every member's responsibility to follow the CoC. If you make a mistake? If you think we made a mistake? Then act like the grownup that a few people have professed to wish to be treated as and deal with it in an adult manner.

This is an adult manner:

"Whoops, my bad."

or a PM to a moderator as outlined in this thread that I created so people would have a process for getting answers.

"Hey, my image got rejected, can you explain what specifically was wrong?"

Accept that not having different rules for different people means that the mods will not hunt down anyone and provide preferential treatment when they're rejecting an image. They will reject it, and it is up to the member to do one of the 2 things above.

Inform and familiarize oneself thoroughly with both the CoC and copyright laws. Not the ones you *think* exist, but the ones that actually do. Understand where something may be borderline and accept that the mods may need to err on the side of caution.

NOT to participate in the backbiting and undermining of the work of the mods - who YES - MAY have made a mistake. MAY. And there is an avenue for recourse. Because MAYBE they didn't, and it's possible instead that YOU made a mistake. Unless you ask for clarification, you won't know, will you?

So sure - build a support group of people who will tell you how awful it is that the mods - who are doing their jobs - rejected your image oh so wrongfully. Make snide comments about the mods and who they think they are, and how awful they are when you don't even know the full story. Believe that the mods are at fault because it's not possible your friends may have made mistakes. Go right ahead.

But lemme tell ya - I have worked diligently for the better part of the past 3 months to try and be helpful, available, to bring community spirit back, provide answers, address issues as they have arisen, and I am SICK AND TIRED of continuing to see mods being slammed for doing our jobs.

Sick and tired of seeing mods slammed for things they don't do which are NOT their jobs.

I will readily acknowledge that moderators have said things that should not have been said - and ALL of us have been dedicated in the past months to retaining our tempers despite the flack that comes our way.

However, I will also defend the integrity of every moderator of this site, that *none* would have made the suggestion about Cynlee on the poll because part of our job is to promote positive movement on this site, and that suggestion is yes both negative and insulting. Just as negative and insulting as the one made above it.

Yes - I recognize that not all members participate in the backbiting and snideness. However, I am extremely disappointed in some of the ones who I have seen participate, because I honestly thought they would not. So - I am sick and tired of it. At the rate this is going *I* may choose to leave rather than deal with this nastiness. So far I have not because this site has been valuable to me for many reasons and I believe in the site and what it has stood for. And because not everyone participates in the nastiness, and I believe that those people who do not continue to deserve the work that I and the other mods put in here.

Yeah, I'm done ranting now. Pardon me - I've just been human.
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01/17/12 10:17 PM GMT
"All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten"

"All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school.
These are the things I learned:

Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.

Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.

Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.

And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together."

Note: "As is always the case these days, the material is protected by copyright. On the other hand, I publish it here to be shared. Feel free to pass it on. Just give me credit. Fair enough?"

Source: "All I really need to know I learned in Kindergarten" by Robert Fulgum.
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01/18/12 12:46 AM GMT
I'm glad we have mods to enforce some order and artistic integrity. If anything I think we could use a few more. But then, I'm one of those horrible people who don't think "censorship" is a bad word ...
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01/18/12 4:33 AM GMT
So am i without the mods mayham would rule.Glad you guys are on the job.
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01/18/12 3:06 PM GMT
Cat. I am Absolutely with you on this one. I am also fed up with the constant bickering from certain quarters against the Mods and their decisions. It is not hard to keep to the rules, or to acept that you have transgressed them.
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01/18/12 3:57 PM GMT
What does "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarten" have to do with this thread. It is one of the things that is so unnecessary and off point. Let's let Cat's statement say it all.
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01/18/12 4:21 PM GMT
Thank you Cat for your words & explanation.

I shall go back & read your words a second time ... in case I missed someting.

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01/18/12 8:13 PM GMT
"What does "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarten" have to do with this thread. It is one of the things that is so unnecessary and off point."

I disagree.

"Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm."

"Play fair."

"Don't take things that aren't yours."

"And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together."
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01/19/12 1:35 AM GMT
...and never pet a barking chicken. That's my motto.
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06/07/12 2:22 PM GMT
~ le bump ~

Seemed appropriate given the actions and behaviours of some as of late.
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06/07/12 2:45 PM GMT
No one has berated any mods.

One of the hardest things to accomplish in life is to really and sincerely stop and take a look at one's own actions. It is always easier to berate the actions and behaviours of others, isn't it?
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