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Well, I figured I keep trying...so I took some wonderful advice from Doug and put it to use. This is a rose from the same rose bush in "Worth a try". I cloned out the cement foundation on my mom's porch. It was a REAL pain working my around the petals with all those indentations and so forth. But she'd just laid some fresh soil and the color was so rich it was worth it. I want to dedicate this image to Doug and Cindy who always have such supportive things to say. You help me to keep trying. Comments welcome.