Ok ok, this has been mentioned by me, twice b4, once on the Contest thread by Caedes and another time on dev.caedes.net, which about 3 people say. ;-)

So, here's its own thread. The idea:

Photography -> B&W. Black and white is a big part of photography and maybe it would be nice to have it's own section, since, well you know, there's a Photgraphy -> Lighthouse section... :-S

Reason why this would be a *bad* idea: Uh, when was the last time you saw a B&W image on this site? *Rhetorical question, dont answer it*

I was thinking this is an idea that would go along with the next contest *IF* it is a B&W contest (doubt it), so after the contest is done there will be a new section for all the better submissions from the contest to go into the perm B&W gallery.

Now, if you read throught all of that gibberish, and understood it, congradulations, you are now able to understand Universal Monkey.

Not a bad idea, but I can't help wondering - what about, like, a b&w image of a car or a person? Do those images go in the b&w gallery or in the Photos ---> Car / Photos ---> People?

Ah! Very good question! Same as devart:

Your images goes into multiple galleries. When you upload an image, you can choose up to 3 galleries that it belongs to, like say its a B&W picture, of a butterfly. So you can say, Photographs -> B&W + Butterfly + Macro. <-- This, however, is TOOO much work for Mr Caedes, so it's best if we leave this idea for now.

So basically it would be the same as now (sometimes two categories conflict, so just choose one which you would think best)

The reason I started this thread is for either a: Thumbs up, or Thumbs down, get the ball rolling, etc etc.

Totally offtopic question:

What are the goals of this site? To be as big as..oh lets say google, or maybe something like devart with 25 million junk uploads, or just how it is now? Will this be a main source of income, or just a hobby?

So, this site needs a mission statement is basically what I'm saying! lol.

To answer your last post first - the site already has a mission statement of sorts - just spread out a little..... The first paragraph of the home page states: 'Caedes is a close community of artists, designers, and photographers who share their work through the medium of computer desktop wallpaper.' that would imply that it is meant to be a comparatively small site dedicated to people showing and improving their work and skills. Not a large faceless image dumping ground like deviant. The only income the site has is through the modest cadre donations and presumably an even smaller amount from advertising from non-cadre member’s visits. This goes towards the maintenance of the server and hosting. All the other work done such as moderators etc is entirely voluntary.

As to your suggestion of duplicate monochrome galleries and multiple gallery uploads, this would I think dilute and confuse the system far too much. Many members already pick the wrong categories as it is when uploading without doubling that choice. Perhaps a better idea would be to modify the search and upload features so that when you upload an image you can assign tags or keywords to it - maybe with radio buttons for mono, colour, photo, illustration etc and people searching could then have those options to narrow down their results. You may want to consider mentioning something like that on the dev site.

It's fair to say that if this has been covered several times already so the ball has already started, and stopped rolling :-)

Oh goodie... :-S ...i never read the first paragraph. =P

There have been a few times where I have uploaded an image and wasn't exactly sure what category to put it into. However Noah, I think that having *one* section for strictly B&W images in the Photography Gallery would be a nice idea. Afterall, like you said, we have one for 'lighthouses'...

I agree, I think a B&W gallery would be great.

I am hesitant to create new galleries of this type because the proposed gallery topic "black and white" would be based on the creation process instead of the content of the final product. If you'll notice, very few other galleries are dedicated to anything other than the image content. A second consideration is that it would be faily easy for me to write a script which automatically detected black an white photos. So a separate gallery isn't nessesary in order to find them. There is also the issue that the gallery would create an inherant ambiguity when people choose which gallery to put their B&W images in (the black and white gallery or one based on the image content).

hmmm, would splitting each gallery into color/B&W be a viable option, or still too devisive and confusing?

I don't think it would be a problem to have it as an option in the gallery filter menu.

well that would address both the 'content' and the 'color vs. black and white' concerns, no?

But not many people post B&W, plus B&W and B&W are differnet. ;-) One is taken b/c color wouldent look as good, and the other is just b/c which would go into the other category it belongs to.

i'd have to beg to differ. not about how many post in black and white...that it's by far a minority here is a given. but a pic taken in black and white isnt always what determines if it actually works in the medium.

what makes black and white work can, to generalize, be broken down into two categories: content and qualities. content is generally, but not exclusively, simpler. qualities, such as contrast, texture, light and shadow are some of black and white's strong suits.

Color, on the other hand, is in itself a texture. it can be the very subject itself.

Lastly, in your haste to post a reply, i think you missed something exchanged between *caedes and myself (and no it wasnt that box of 20's ...shhh) I had suggested a filter to determine at (pay attention) each category. Water, architecture, still life, etc would come, if i understand correctly, with the immediate option of color or black and white.

now go dry that spot behind your ear

It's wet?

Anyways, if there was a B&W gallery under each subcategory...or is it category..or sub-sub-category..well you get the idea, then there would be about, O, 1 picture in each, if that.

Heres how it goes, my new idea, you have a subcategory for B&W, and we will see how it goes.

Or, howabout we have a huge vote on if we should have a B&W category, or not...like, send every1 on caedes a PM that will automatically delete itself after 2 weeks or so.

New idea, and best so far...but will this be an easy thing to do?

Post your images like always, and somehow (by the user or mod marking the picture off as B&W or not), just have a view all images button...one for color, other for B&W <-- main categorys, not sub-cats.

noah, you're making this far too complicated....

I know, thats one of my specialties...the other is whining. here's an example of what I mean:

-Photography
Landscape
Lighthouses
Animals
Etc. etc.
-All Images
Color
B&W

The above example would require sum1 to mark each pic off as a B&W or color...which is a pain and maybe this idea should be scraped.

...but I still think a B&W gallery would be nice.

And now six months later, this thread has been brought from the dead. Since then, I have thought about the B&W gallery idea and everytime I want to upload a B&W photo, or want find a B&W photo, I wonder why we don't have a B&W gallery.

Like I've said before, we have:

An Architecture gallery, and more specifically, a Lighthouse gallery or Castles.
A Landscape gallery and a Mountains gallery.
Pets gallery and an Animal gallery.
Trasnportation, and more specifically, Trains/Trams.
Shorelines and Seascapes.
Nature and Still Life...then throw in some Mushrooms.
Insects and Butterflies.

I see why we can't have a B&W gallery or the ability to select 2 galleries one's image belongs to (which I imagine would be hard to do for the site creator)

...actually I see why we can't; it would not only make things confusing, but extra confusing. But common! B&W is a big category in photography; it's like the only thing some ppl look at; it produces a unique experience, it's it's...

...well let me correct that: " I don't think it would be a problem to have it as an option in the gallery filter menu." - Caedes in response to Third Eye's: " hmmm, would splitting each gallery into color/B&W be a viable option, or still too devisive and confusing?"

Anyways, does the population still stand their ground on preventing the formation of a B&W gallery?

PS: Can a mod move this to the feature bloat forum (this thread was created before the time that forum was created)? Thanks - Noah.

the same very sensible logistic reasons for not creating a mono gallery exist as they did before. the best solution for this would be to create an exteded search feature including tags where people could assign mono tags to their images that ould be searched for specifically.

I wonder if explaining all this in Latin would help........enough already

Ok - the thing I would really really like would be a critique-only gallery - excluded from voting - and short term duration. No archiving, no perms, no votes, just, say 4 weeks - then deleted. In this way work in progress, new techniques and existing work could be discussed, critiqued and assisted without any other qualification. Please??

I think the idea of work in progress sharing space has been banded about before and is still a very good idea I think.

It was my original idea of a rework gallery so many moons ago that I did not explain properly. That was the idea I had in mind Kate...perhaps your explanation could lead to revamping that now little used gallery;-)

Oh, almost forgot the topic of this forum. I have been shot down on several occasions for a B/W gallery...I will remain hopefull:-)

I was looking for the Night gallery...didn't find it.

Seems like Caedes and co. are busy atm so i'll/lets bug him later. ;-)

I tried uploading a B&W image this weekend, but I had VB trouble and didn't complete it. It's something I've been toying with trying on digital for a while. A gallery would be great.

Well, I'll throw my hat into the ring & say that I agree, both a Works In Progress gallery & a B&W gallery would be good.

So.... who's taking this to the Feature Bloat forum ?

gimme the ball, coach

oh, wait, what are we talking about?