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speedy_10
04/30/04 10:56 AM GMT
being one myself (year 7 grade, only know what i've been taught, in the advanced class as well){- with a number after it is a negative numbers} game rules: make up an equasion, someone else answers it and then they make up there own. starter: 7+ -5 x 25 - 2 x10 + -7 - -5= ?
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*caedes
04/30/04 10:33 PM GMT
= -140

(999!) / (1001!) = ?
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::Marideath
04/30/04 11:21 PM GMT
Well, no wonder I can't come up with any decent fractal equations....I'm embarrassed to own up to being so far wrong with my answer of 478. Now everyone will understand why I was an Art Major, despite my deficiencies in that area as well. :D
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speedy_10
04/30/04 11:21 PM GMT
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speedy_10
04/30/04 11:22 PM GMT
good, your question got me stumped, may have an answer in 3 hours of paperwork or earlier.
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+Samatar
05/01/04 12:07 AM GMT
Caedes already gave my answer...
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::Sherpa
05/01/04 3:10 AM GMT
caedes is that 999 factorial devided by 1001 factorial?

hmm well i would have to say that it aprox = to: 4.027896473371708673172461363569e+2570


ok my problem is a 20X20 matrix times a 20X1 matrix what is the resulting matrix?

[25 35 24 26 26 52 36 98 54 68 65 12 78 45 87 84 84 89 10 2]
[46 87 84 24 35 21 78 45 12 45 12 87 68 21 78 95 65 12 23 2]
[12 48 68 95 25 61 32 45 12 18 15 65 97 58 79 19 46 15 45 3]
[15 78 15 38 95 64 45 12 74 18 18 78 45 68 98 5 54 68 9 4]
[4 4 6 48 98 35 68 46 85 74 68 94 2 78 49 2 74 68 99 1]
[79 81 35 64 97 57 15 23 63 32 64 79 43 21 7 76 48 22 41 9]
[25 35 24 26 26 52 36 98 54 68 65 12 78 45 87 84 84 89 10 2]
[15 78 15 38 95 64 45 12 74 18 18 78 45 68 98 5 54 68 9 4]
[46 87 84 24 35 21 78 45 12 45 12 87 68 21 78 95 65 12 23 2]
[12 48 68 95 25 61 32 45 12 18 15 65 97 58 79 19 46 15 45 3]
[25 35 24 26 26 52 36 98 54 68 65 12 78 45 87 84 84 89 10 2]
[25 35 24 26 26 52 36 98 54 69 65 12 78 45 87 84 84 89 10 2]
[47 44 6 48 98 85 68 46 85 74 68 94 2 78 49 2 74 68 99 1]
[79 81 35 64 97 57 15 23 63 32 64 79 43 21 7 76 48 22 41 9]
[15 78 15 38 95 64 45 12 74 18 18 78 45 68 98 5 54 68 9 4]
[99 4 5 48 98 35 68 46 85 74 68 94 2 78 49 2 74 68 99 1]
[46 87 84 24 35 21 78 45 12 45 12 87 68 21 78 95 65 12 23 2]
[54 98 25 64 24 52 99 74 34 65 12 10 20 35 68 48 69 41 47 8]
[19 87 65 48 95 25 64 87 95 21 36 18 74 68 95 41 46 5 48 7]
[20 22 65 33 4 15 12 78 99 15 68 15 23 6 4 84 5 5 54 1]

times:

[54 89 123 486 985 12 5 3221 4 78 95 63 48 74 15 13 456 87 987 1000]

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*caedes
05/01/04 3:40 AM GMT
nope sherpa. It's a much more realistic number than that.

My problem is still on the board =p
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-caedes
=xentrik
05/01/04 5:17 AM GMT
I thought that seemed much too high of a number. The answer is 1/(1001*1000) = 1/1001000 = 9.99000x10^-7

The matrix is far too much work for me to really want to do, so I'll leave that to someone else. :-D

Mary: There's an 'order of operations' that must be observed. First is 'parenthesis', then 'exponetials', 'multiplication', 'division', 'addition', and finally 'subtraction'. You may have heard the mnemonic "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" which helps you remember. :)
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speedy_10
05/01/04 5:20 AM GMT
is it 0. something?
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phoenixashes
05/02/04 12:38 AM GMT
0.998001998? o well i tried
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rustectrum03
05/02/04 2:01 AM GMT
too much work to mess with that matrix :(
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*caedes
05/02/04 2:34 AM GMT
Sherpa: The way you have the second matric written is not quite right, but I'll assume that you meant it to be a single column matrix. image of the answer

My problem: arcsin( (e^(i)-e^(-i))/2 ) = ?
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-caedes
::Sherpa
05/02/04 1:40 PM GMT
oops yep i ment to have it verticle.....
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::Sherpa
05/02/04 1:43 PM GMT
asin((e^(i)-e^(-i))/2)
0.76472515401120709635539754902472i
EDIT:

I Redid it and got exactly the same thing.... are you wanting it in degrees or radians?
asin((e^(i)-e^(-i))/2 )
0.76472515401120709635539754902472i
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::Sherpa
05/02/04 1:50 PM GMT
and ya, the answer that i gave for your first problem is not right it should be:

9.99000999000999000999000999001e-7
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*caedes
05/02/04 9:02 PM GMT
arcsin( (e^(i)-e^(-i))/2 ) = ? isn't correct yet. =)
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-caedes
::Sherpa
05/02/04 10:49 PM GMT
In the edit above i re did the eq in radians this time i did it in degrees....

asin((e^(i)-e^(-i))/2 )
43.815523812334042168947610401512i
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phoenixashes
05/04/04 12:39 AM GMT
... ... ...
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Close my eyes and count to ten.
*caedes
05/04/04 2:00 AM GMT
Nope, It shouldn't matter if you use radians or degrees as long as you are consistant.
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-caedes
mrwarlow
05/04/04 4:32 AM GMT
Hm... let's see... since (e^x - e^(-x))/2 = sinh(x), then your equation is equivalent to

arcsin(sinh(i)),

which my eighty-nine tells me is approximately 0.7647i. Here's something else I picked up that you guys can ponder over:

Say x = y

Multiplying both sides by x, we obtain x^2 = xy

Subtracting y^2 from both sides, x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2

By the difference of squares, (x + y)*(x - y) = y*(x - y)

Simplifying, x + y = y

Since x = y, we have y + y = y

Or, 2y = 1y

Canceling, we have 2 = 1.

So, I've proved that 2=1, or have I?... If not, what's wrong with the proof?

And I don't care for matrices, so I'll avoid that one. =)
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*caedes
05/04/04 4:45 AM GMT
Oh darnit, I screwed up copying the formula over. It should of been asin((e^(i)-e^(-i))/(2i) )

which is equal to arcsin(sin(1)) = 1

I guess the earlier answer was correct.
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-caedes
mrwarlow
05/04/04 4:47 AM GMT
LOL I thought that seemed like a funny problem. =)
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::Sherpa
05/04/04 4:53 AM GMT
oh well>>>>>>> now the truth comes out......
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mrwarlow
05/04/04 4:57 AM GMT
So, what about my question? "Two is the same as one"? That's almost too tempting, isn't it? Sort of Big Brother-ish? :-D
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*caedes
05/04/04 5:22 AM GMT
It's tricky trying to hide the fact that you've devided by zero in step #4, huh? In step #3, (x - y)=0, so to simplify you'd have to divide by that on both sides. That's a no-no. =p
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-caedes
mrwarlow
05/04/04 5:28 AM GMT
Nice job, caedes. Very good eye. Here's one that stumped me when I first saw it. If you know how to handle it, it's easy enough:

d/dx(x^x) = ?

By the way, that's for all x > 0.
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mrwarlow
05/04/04 5:50 AM GMT
Or, an easier one:

1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + ... + 95 + 97 + 99 = ?
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bob_smith1492
05/05/04 3:36 AM GMT
By adding the first and last of all the numbers together.. you get 100, times half the total number of numbers, which is.... uh, 25, maybe? So, that would be 2500.
That's prolly wrong, it's too late to be thinking about math :(
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bob_smith1492
05/05/04 3:42 AM GMT
P.S. : It's not that hard working with matrices... just plug 'em into Excel and let it do all the work. (:

P.P.S. : Isn't it great how division by zero can tell you anything you want it to? My calc 2 professor used it to prove that 0/0 = 22.4.....
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*caedes
05/05/04 4:09 AM GMT
d/dx(x^x) = x^x * (1+ln(x)) : start by taking nat. log of both sides, after that it's easy.

warlow: Isn't that called a telescopic series?
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-caedes
mrwarlow
05/05/04 5:04 AM GMT
Hm... telescopic series? Don't know; I've never heard it called that. It's simply the sum of the first n odd numbers. Check this out:

1 = 1
1 + 3 = 4
1 + 3 + 5 = 9
1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 16
1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 = 25
...

Anyway, the pattern is that the sum of the first n odd numbers is n^2. The formula for the nth odd number is (2n - 1), so that would mean that 99 is the fiftieth odd number, and 50^2 is 2500. Kudos to bob_smith for figuring out the other (quite clever) way and to caedes for nailing the derivative. BTW, I learned to do it by rearranging to e^(x*ln(x)); tomayto, tomahto.... Caedes, you're a physics guy, aren't you? Wow. I enjoy math, but I just took the standard undergrad E&M class and it drove me up the wall (although it was mostly the bad prof I had).
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mrwarlow
05/05/04 5:17 AM GMT
Okay, here's a kind of interesting problem that "might someday prove useful to you in a somewhat bizarre set of circumstances" (-Tom Lehrer).

In a game of five-card-draw Poker, how many different possible hands are there (from the 52 cards)?

Easy enough if you've had the right mathematics. Otherwise, very challenging.
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*caedes
05/05/04 5:35 AM GMT
I've had statistics already, so I'll leave that one for someone else. =)
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-caedes
mrwarlow
05/05/04 5:38 AM GMT
Cool. Wonder if anyone else will give it a shot? If not, it's yours. :-)
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rustectrum03
05/05/04 6:44 AM GMT
yes caedes that is a telescopic series.

seems I'm in the same boat as you mrwarlow, E&M is some bad stuff.

the answer if I'm not too tired to do math correctly is 52*51*50*49*48 or 3.1188E8...I'm too tired to think of a new one right now...


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bob_smith1492
05/05/04 1:20 PM GMT
So, what's E&M? I'm trying to relate the letters to some kind of math or statistics... but it just doesn't work. I'm trying to think of some cool stuff from Mathcounts in ages past, but just can't somehow.... oh well.
Wait: here's one: (integral sign) xsinx = ?
What are you guys doing posting at 1:44 AM??
Hm... any other questions... (:
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mrwarlow
05/05/04 5:10 PM GMT
bob_smith: E&M is electricity and magnetism.
integral(x*sin(x)) = -x*cos(x) + sin(x) + C
(Integration by parts... yeah, I worked it out by hand... wink wink)
Also, I post at 1:30 in the morning because I'm stupid and won't go to sleep. :-)

rustectrum03: Very close -- you're almost there. The only problem is that you counted, for instance, the two, three, four, five, and six of spades as a "different" hand than the six, five, four, three, and two of spades. :-) How would you account for that? Telescopic Series... I'll remember that....
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bob_smith1492
05/05/04 7:42 PM GMT
Hm... shoot, maybe the problem I was really trying to ask was: d/dx xsinx... no, that's easy. I thought there was no algebraic solution ever found for that one, but I may be thinking of something else.
E&M! Of course! And I say I'm studying electrical engineering.... AND physics! Oh well :(
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mrwarlow
05/05/04 8:02 PM GMT
LOL No prob Bob (sorry). Perhaps you're thinking of integral(e^(-x^2))?...
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::Sherpa
05/06/04 2:38 AM GMT
Prove that (3 + 2*sqrt(2))^(2n-1) + (3 - 2*sqrt(2))^(2n-1) - 2 is a
perfect integral square for every positive integer n.

sqrt - means square root
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05/06/04 3:28 AM GMT
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mrwarlow
05/06/04 3:50 AM GMT
I may have to go with Tracy on this one, Sherpa. =) You like the headache problems, don't you? Well, let's see, I'll give it a shot. Don't want to say I didn't try...

[Later...] Well, I tried and couldn't do it. That's quite a difficult math problem. Matter of fact, I could probably sit here three weeks and not get it... :-P ...Just messing with you. Thanks for giving me something to mull over (and get stumped with).
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::Sherpa
05/07/04 3:39 PM GMT
haha, google is such a great tool, lol!!!!!!!!!
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mrwarlow
05/08/04 3:08 AM GMT
I agree. =)

By the way, the answer to the Poker question is that there are "52-choose-5" number of different hands possible. The formula for this is 52!/(47!*5!) which is the same as (52*51*50*49*48)/120 or: 2598960.
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+Samatar
05/08/04 8:18 AM GMT
The answer is....


Fourty-two.
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raptorfalcon
05/22/04 5:52 AM GMT
For the integral series would you like a proof or logic table? I can do both if it so pleases you. There are pros and cons to each like with the heavy amount of parentheses. It'll probably last all nigh expanding these notations though. :-)
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