I’ve been watching some programs on PBS lately regarding string theory, and talking to some friends of mine that are physicist, electrical engineers and computer scientist, about the theory. And wondering if anyone else would have any impute on the subject. You know, where is it going, will they be able to salve it or prove it?

Originally string theory was proposed as an explanation for the observed relationship between mass and spin for certain particles called hadrons which include the proton and neutron. They didn'twork out and Quantim Chromodynamics proved ot be a better way for hadrons. But particles in string theory aruise as excitations of the string and included in the excitations is particles of zero mass and two units of spin. IF there was a good quantum theory of gravity than the particle woudl carry the gravitational force of zero mass and two units of spin. That theorized particle is graviton. That led to sting tehorists proposing that string thoery be applied not as a theory of hadronic particles but of quantim gravity.

String theory solves the deep problem of incomatability of these fundamental theories by modifying the properties of general relativity when it is applied to scales onteh order of Plan length. String Theory is based on the premise that the elementary contituents of matter are not described correctly when we model them like pointlike objects. Tha particles are actually tiny closed loops of string with Radi. Modern aceelerators can only probe down to distance scales of 10 cm and hence loops appear to be object points. this modification is what allows gravity quantum mechanics to form them harmonius union. I went to college in California. Amazing!!

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I have never heard of this before now...I don't think it's covered in High School... :P

It's no theory. I know for a fact that this stuff exists.

You Do A. No elaboration. Prove it.

Samatar, please do present the facts that make you assured that you are correct. You have my attention!!

Just to be facetious, let me assure you that I am positive that string exists...I tied a piece of it around my finger as a reminder just yesterday. :D

Ha" Ha' Do you use a lot of string latly Mary Ha" Ha" I know I use it daily

Hey Mary, you stole my line!

Wow I found some String Theory people. Neato. For my AP Bio Class this year we have to write abstracts each week on some scientific article and I became extremely interested on String Theory and Dark Matter. It's an amazing complex and interesting area and I've got some pretty good information if anyone is still interested. Mind you that even half the things I read I don't know.

The thing that I find in the string theory topics is the possibility of 13 universes needed for the theory to work. In this opening the door, as we may say to the effects of 13 dimensions and times streams along with how they affect each other in the over all scream.

The idea that a string is the bonding force of all matter and that if it becomes out off kilter or displaced by that of it’s vibration change or even the crossing of these dimension or universes may be the reason for the big bang which created our universe as we know it..

Amassing!

String, string, string, string,
Everybody loves string!

HEHeHEHE, So funny Mr. Samatar. LOL

Yeah there was this whole article done in Astronmy's October edition. If you've got the time its a neat little segment

I'll check it out. Thanks

On 2-28-04, I told you all about it and so check it out again.

The problem with string theory is that in order to prove it exists we need the instrumentation to see something that small, I think it's something like 10 million / billion x smaller than a molecule and also that quatum space also needs to exist (12 dimensions)?????????? Einstein was looking @ a way of combining things further than E=MC2 and String theory is trying to fill in the gaps..........Bit out there but I watch to much natural world and science programs for my own good.

Einstein's thaory had a large gap in it. I really don't think that they will have a true answer in my life time but if they did how amassing would that be?

I have watched and forgive me for forgetting which program it was a rather in depth documentary on Channel 4 (UK) about the first Physcian from Cambridge to work on the theorum to link E=MC2 > GRAVITY via the confines of Quantum Mechanics and the 12 dimensions (by the way we cant prove these either or even begin to understand), strings are alot smaller than Quarcs and they are difficult enough to see. String represents the omnipresent energy that underlines all and when I say all I mean everything. Like the question "WHY"? It's massive, concider that we are even ready to unlock just a segmant of that. I agree P not in our life times.

Yes it is quit overwhelming if the theory was proven. The thought that there is a multiple of universes and that they all react to each other would be amassing. That would open a rather large door to the out come of a universal theory of relitivity.

Science is universal and accepting, Church's have doors and can be shut. Whats your background P? Because you pulled out the big guns on the other thread (PM)?

Well to go off from Einstein there's the Veneziano formula which is basically a fluke formula describing the harmonics of the hadrons and sub-particles that theoretically make up these strings.

Cant prove it in the time it takes for the Sun as we know it to burn out.

By then we would be exstinct any ways.

Thats debatable.

This seems to be verging into an ethical subject...

You mean in a world where over 60 percent of the oceans are polluted, the air is becoming to the point of being un-breathable in many areas, a world where the inhabitance burry leaky nuclear waste containers in mountain ranges and desert that then trickle down into our underground water ways. A world were a nation will level another country for oil when there is enough oil in it’s own country for the next 300 years at present use. Come on? Beside the chances of us being hit by a rock falling form the sky increases by .002 % every year. 4 billion years is a long time for a race to be on a planet. Don’t you think?

Yep that world. It is very unlikly we will be completely extinct (pedantic) I know but life always finds a way. Talking like that is beginning to dig the hole for you to finally rest in and the rest of us, I dont expect the glass half full all the time, but Prismagic I would hate to have a life where my glass if half empty all the time. Dont abolish hope as some of us do believe in it even if its getting further and further from us. Technically your probably right but I would question that if I had time during what is left in our, as we know it "Epoch".

I think that the apocalypse is an over used word for the end of mankind. I do think that we do have the potential to save our planet from the effects of mans greed and over population. But I have seen the population triple it size since I was born. What really disturbs me, is that If we do not start thinking that the glass is half empty we will never take the time to find a way to fill it.

Good point prismmagic, but still, eventually the masses ---as uneducated as they are in respects to whats beyond their cubicles, fancy-shmancy cars and "who's-got-what"---- will realize that something is wrong in the world. And even if they need a little poke with a cattle prod or maybe a really bad sunburn because of atmosphere depletion, it'll be noticed....hopefully. And if it takes THAT long hopefully by that time the minority's understanding of our world will have increased a substantial amount. Enough to at least stop and prevent futher damage.

Population control, welcome to China.

Propoganda. Not string theory- though I have my share of doubts- but as far as the world burning up or being polluted out of existance or having too many people. In example- if you had to guess what percentage of the world's rainforests have been destroyed- what you you say? 50%? 75% In reality- only 3% has been destroyed. And everyone is up in arms. Global warming- laughable. Over popluation- even more ridiculous. All politcal movements. So there is my rant... I'm guessing I'll generate a lot of hate from this. :)

String theory: hmm. The trend of science today is to speculate and then work to prove what is speculates. Doesn't follow the scientific method anymore. (demonstrable, repeatable, etc) There is also an elitist appeal that I distrust- 'my theory is so complex that the average person is just not capable of understandig it.' Also- many concepts in science now are trying support previous theories that have never held any water- i.e. Big Bang (rofl) So there is some more ranting. :)

Well bring it on lets here it, Im always up for a challenge.1 of my firends is doing quantum mechanics phd and another doing Biotechnology phd, Both are @ Oxford and my grounding is 1st Class Honours in BSC In environmental Geoscience specialising in Thermal Dynamics and Neo-tectonics. So anything I dont begin to understand I can always check with you or my friends.

Albert Einstein believed in merging theorum. The science is finding out how to and more importantly proving it. String you cant so therefore @ the moment it is still and idea. This idea is followed greatly though by most if not all Physics Professors the world round @ this moment in time.

Quarks didn’t exist until they found them ether, along with galaxies, ribbons or black holes.
That’s interesting. First I don't know you get your information. I get mine from the scientific community. Not from activist of propaganda groups. I was an engineer major so I have a tendency to be over analytical and get the facts before I make a statement. And as far as your theory, I would like to here it. If it is have a subject I have a problem also understanding. I have great resources for finding out what I don’t know for example. A long Time friend of mine comes from a family of highly intelligent people. His father was one of the men who designed the systems on the first American satellite and others, His brother developed the method for desalinating water in a vacuum and several other bio filtration systems, they both had two degrees in the higher sciences and he is a masters in electrical engineering and computer sciences along with two more Degrees in biology and chemistry with and IQ over 180 tested at the age of 16. Plus I know a professor of thermo dynamics. So Have it I might know a little something and if not I can easily find out.

Thermal Dynamics for me were specific to how heat travels in the core and mantle of this world. If your friend P has any info I would be glad to here it as @ my last check in with my old Tutor it is still questioned how convection currents travel under the oceanic and continental plates. Understanding this would be massive in aiding the prediction of tectonic events hence, we know all above ground but hardly non under as we dont have the technology to gain data.

'my theory is so complex that the average person is just not capable of understandig it.' Also- many concepts in science now are trying support previous theories that have never held any water- i.e. Big Bang (rofl) So there is some more ranting. :)

Im really interested to know a bit more.

It is also an over all theorem of the continuity of the planet and the environmental dynamics of heat exchange through out the planet including the physical atmosphere. Other wise the working mechanism of the sustaining planet energy in an ever changing world.

Plates move, Pangea to present day etc but how does heat travel in the inards of the planet? Radioactive decay of isotopes in the core create energy but how is this dispersed specifically? Cant prove what we cant find etc. Hence an avid fasination of the matter for the best part of the rest of my life amoung nuclear fision and nemeology (starting out on this).