There have of late been quite a few image uploads that have been rejected for falling into the ‘copyrighted material, screenshots of games, frames from a movie or television show’ section of the sites code of conduct. Whilst some have may slipped through the net, this isn’t necessarily a sanction to upload such material. If you have uploaded an image that falls into this category and you were curious as to why it wasn’t accepted - this is why. New members or existing members, who are unfamiliar with it, should check the Code of Conduct if they are unsure as to whether or not their image is ok to upload. Thanks.

Yeah..mine get rejected too, by the server. It says something like: your image size is too large. =P lol...it happens almost every upload.

so upload the correct size images would be the answer that springs to mind.....

lol, i'm joking. I just forget to resize every upload. =P ...but that is totally unrelated to the subject of this thread.

Please God, give me a button to the the ejection seat underneath NoahNott ... if you do this for me I will not ask for anything else .. untill the next time.

no keith dont, who else would be Andrew's understudy as "pinky" against Tim's crabby "Brain" in the live-action Caedes series....

You're comparing me and Andrew to "The Pinky and the Brain"?

if the hue fits

LMAO @ Keith!!..=P

LMAO... I find that remark insulting Rob.. I happen to like Pinky & The Brain and to compare them with Andrew and Tim well thats insulting to Pinky & The Brain... LMAO.. more like Tom & Jerry... LOL

yes tim i was, and while it was good-natured kidding...you really have to admit, the surly temperament, the oversized ego, and yes, the intelligence ....all make you a good fit, kiddo.

...would i fit that category well? ...or would i fall more under the errr...ummm.....mmmmmm.....

"Pinky"

enough already, dont we have a charlie chalks or a ball pool somewhere for this?

I didn't start this...sorry.

too bad. if you keep it going you're part of the problem. did you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

May I remind you that so far about 0 of the posts have anything to do with the topic of this thread? (that does include THIS post). =P

pinky and the brain,.is or or they like rin and stimpy! being Canadian ,...eh!

New members uploading should also familiarise themselves with the snapshot policy on photos as well posting copyrighted material which will be rejected if it isnt made clear as to the source of ownership.

or, it would seem, they could just not bother and carry on regardless.

This comment should be understood as a query rather than an attempt to disguise a criticism as a question. That is, it really is a question.

The policy mentions not uploading photographs of one's friends or one's pets. I understand the first, but I wasn't sure about the motivation for the second. Why would it be all right to photograph a wild animal, say, but not one's cat? Although I don't currently have a website, when I did I did include a photograph of my cat and I never thought of this as problematic. What am I missing?

I'm tempted to ask something further, but will resist lest this thread return to its tangential state.

- cfr

I believe the theory is that, like a picture of your friends, a picture of your cat will only be of interest to YOU ..

I, personally, disagree on the pet factor .. especially when it comes to Paul_Gerritsen's dog

I submited a pic that may or may not be rejected. Are fonts allowed? The site i got it from didnt have a copyright thing, or anything...so i assumed it was ok of me to use it, even though we all know where THEY got the REAL font. =P

As long as the font creator has granted persmission for people to use it then it's fine.

So does this include web graphics?:

"This Norfok® Inc. product and the accompanying
materials are copyrighted and contain
proprietary information and trade secrets of
Norfok® Inc. Unauthorized copying of the product
even if modified, merged, or included with
other software, or of the written materials,
is expressly forbidden. You may be held legally
responsible for any infringement of Norfok® Inc.
intellectual property rights that is caused or
encouraged by your failure to abide by the terms
of this Agreement."

But thats like replicating the font right? So that's not me right?

and: "Number of Users: In consideration for
the license fee paid, Norfok® Inc. grants
to you only, the Licensee, the non-exclusive,
nontransferable right to use and display the
product purchased through this service. If
you are using this product for your work,
this agreement applies to your employer.
Norfok® Inc. software or image collections
may be used on one CPU at your site connected
to any number of printers or other image
producing devices at that own site."

So does that one line near the beginning give me permission to use it? ...or is it that 1am late night syndrome catching up to me?

Yes, it says they grant you th right to display it.

>_> Just double checking...thanks.

To go back to margali's question . You are going to be alright if you post an artistic shot of your cat. I think they are trying to get away from people posting a picture of their cat that looks exactly the same as everyoher cat shot. Does that make sence?

i think it does... i think the problem lies not so much with it being A cat, or YOUR cat per se, but the setting of the image. huge lion, tiger, or bear (oh my) that some people hardly ever, or never get to see: WOW ... housecat lying around...in a house YAWN... hope this helps...

That helps. Thank you. I think I missed the point partly because there are independent reasons I would not post pictures of friends (without consent which would be very hard to monitor) which don't apply in the same way to pets (since I typically consent to things on my cat's behalf). The other part is just that I'm such a poor photographer that I can't imagine any of my shots counting as artistic, so pictures of my cat are really no less interesting than my picture of Niagra Falls in winter, say. Fortunately, I can still enjoy the products everyone else produces here.

- cfr

The snapshot policy really has more to with the intent of the photographer than the result. What we are trying to avoid are photos which the person has put no effort or thought into creating. Nobody will mind if you upload something that you might not consider up to par because a big part of caedes is offering advice to try to help people improve. As long as you can take some constructive criticism then there's no reason to hold back.

To add to what Sam (samatar) said, i'm sure the list of people who walked in the door here, are much better photographers for having done so. I'm on that list... part of what helps you become better is the help, guidance, and yes, criticism of others. So maybe you should reconsider and try posting something.

I'd actually be more likely to post an abstract desktop. I'm no better at those, but I've recently become very interested and have been playing around a lot with different software and so on. I'm just not sure given the standard of most of the images here that this would be at all wise! I tried following one or two of the tutorials, but they are hard to follow if you don't have exactly the right software.

I'm also not sure how to tell if something is abstract>fractal or computer>digital. Is there any guidance on this? I realise there are many clear cases, but what about, say, manipulated fractals or fractalised forms of other digital images?

Thanks for the encouragement, in any case.
- cfr

(*trots out ancient saying, again*)

Confucius say: .. Man who consider all outcomes before taking a step, forever spend life balanced on one foot

(*puts away ancient saying, again*)

Most of the members here had no idea how to do fractals either, thats how I started by looking at everyone elses work, then downloading the program and asking members questions, advice, tips etc... and I still pester people for tips.. lol.. so my advice is TRY IT, EXPERIMENT and POST IT.. =D

i do so know how to do a fractal... someone gimme a crayon... i'll show ya :P
*all kidding aside, i saw a piece of one of the programs for a fractal (i think) and was lost immediately... so kudos to those who've mastered them...ok, i'm done being serious :o)

phew.. glad your done with being serious... thats scary.... =PP

You'll just have to blame Confucius, then, for the monstrosity I just released into your midst... -cfr

and here i thought it was the taco bell you had a little while ago....

I assume the ban on snapshots of pets does not apply to avatars? Bit late now, of course, though I suppose I could always change it again/back...

you're safe .. not only are you safe, but others will prolly steal it

so .. perhaps not so safe after all

RE: the snapshot policy .... the longer you hang around the more you will realize that nobody seems to read about the SS policy ... because, afterall, we certainly can't be talking about THEIR photography ... it's for the other people that are just learning

That rule is only for the people with boring pets, Keifer.

'Once an image has been uploaded to the site it should not be uploaded again unless substantial changes have been made to it. These changes should be enough so that it could be reasonable assumed that the resulting changed image would receive a better critique than the previous version. '

is perhaps another rule new members should familiarise themselves with too.....

Uhm ... point taken ... he said sheepishly. :o(

Guilty as charged on that one. A recent upload did not translate as well as I thought and I hit the panic button and deleted, then reuploaded a 'brighter' version.

I certainly understand your point Phil ... hopefully ... hopefully after a couple of uploads the members have a reasonable expectation of how things 'look' once up on the site.

Recompression issues of certain file formats, for an example, might be something to address and perhaps, emphasized in the FAQ's. Or ... a declaration and reiteration of what you just make mention of ... as well as expanding the info on the actual upload page might be helpful ... or a deterent to SS's. :oP

Just some thoughts.

I say .. we create an upload page preamble that has to be clicked thru .. in a perfect world, it would contain algebra equations cleverly weaved into its verbage, so as to guarantee reading, comprehending, crying and remorse for a youth misspent

everybody likes math .... who's with me? ...

um, if you were speaking publicly..now'd be a good time to prepare for the rotten tomatos ;-)

reminds me of the scene in ROADHOUSE (patrick swayze) .. where the band (jeff healy band) was playing behind chicken wire

hehe forgot about that.. probably because the movie stunk

Methinks… Phil is referring to works that have been around for a few days… and then reuploaded w/only minor changes that do not significantly alter the overall effect of the image.

You know… like taking that snapshot of your dog hanging off the newel post and increasing the contrast 5%… don't reupload unless you've added some drool effects too. 8•P

or reuploaded with no apparent changes at all - the 'im not happy with my score so ill just try it again' routine....

I'd be afraid I'd get a lower score :D

hey, i'm the proud owner of a 12, a 14, and a 25... doesnt get much lower... and of course they're dead-on accurate (cough cough)

Question. What about titles? For example, what if we name something that is a reference to a TV show, but the image is completely our own work and does not violate copyright at all? I have a fractal that I named after a Babylon 5 character and was inspired by it, but there's nothing copyrighted in the image at all.

I think that's fair game ... you could always take a cue from spammers and label it

B'a'b'y'l'o'n' 5'

and only charge me $250 for a R-O-L-L-E-X instead of $15,000