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Why Flowers?
::cynlee
07/12/07 2:20 PM GMT
Not only are flowers fascinating, but they are informative too. As Steven Pinker acknowledges in the August 2007 issue of Popular Photography, ..."they (flowers) are excellent clues to a plant's species" and "they are forerunners of fruit." "...a brain that takes pleasure in looking at flowers is a brain that is going to soak up ecologically useful information, and have a survival advantage over brains that just like to look at rocks or dirt or sand or sky. Photography is a way of pressing that pleasure button". And Debbie Mandel adds that "The flower as symbol of a blossoming woman is archetypal in literature" and therefore it satisfies our romantic hunger as well. Leon Hoffman has some interesting words regarding sex and flowers, but I'll let you find the issue of Popular Photography and read them for yourself. lol
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
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ditto! jen
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sorry if i don't comment on each of your pictures. to those of you who comment so often, i can't imagine how you get it done!
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I'm glad you started this and linked to it. I don't get to the message boards much, but I've heard that some people complain there are too many flowers here on Caedes. I can never get enough of them! Each one is so unique and beautiful in its own way. Great message from you!
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All of earth is crammed with heaven And every bush aflame with God But only those who see take off their shoes. - Elizabeth Barrett Browning<p>
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Ditto !!
Can you believe it? there are those that say "oh no, not another flower picture"
Just as we are all different and unique, so is each bloom.Multiply that by the infinite number of ways to present each one and the sky is the limit :)
Can you believe it? there are those that say "oh no, not another flower picture"
Just as we are all different and unique, so is each bloom.Multiply that by the infinite number of ways to present each one and the sky is the limit :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Thanks dear ladies for weighing in on the subject. I am wondering if any of the gentlemen have any thoughts on the subject and can express them without using the word 'foofy'! lol
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
I can do 'no foofy' ... er, does the fact that I just wrote that, negate my following words?
No matter ... I will soldier on ...
But first ... I must ask this question, has anyone that has responded to this thread been offended by a comment made with regards to flower shots?
I have read and followed some of the threads that have been posted. There was one in particular, by regmar ... however, I think his point was lost.
I don't know him personally, but have been around long enough to suspect that he was initiating a discussion ... simply put. He is a mod, I believe ... for some reason though, he chooses to have the symbol as he chose to remain in front of his username.
Really a good hearted person, is my impression of him. That was seeking a lively debate ... not a divisive one. And I don't think that I am wrong on this ... could be, but don't think so.
Other comments that have crept up were and are regard to something I think can easily be digested. That being, if there is a proliferation of any kind ... any kind, of image on the site here ... welll, the bar does indeed get set higher for those that post in that genre.
Would you not agree?
To state my own preferences, likes, stance ... what have you ... no problem with flowers here. None whatsoever. I particularly like the macro shots that give us a peek at a hidden ... ok, not hidden 'hidden', but from our normal purview let's say.
This just might be a thread for fun, as I do think that it is at its' base ... however, there seems to be equally enamoured photographers on both sides of the gender fence that post flower images.
Now then ... where's the tea and cookies?
*has left pinkie at the ready to posture*
Whaaa? A discussion concerning flowers and no tea? No cookies??
Sacrilege, I say ... and did.
:oP
No matter ... I will soldier on ...
But first ... I must ask this question, has anyone that has responded to this thread been offended by a comment made with regards to flower shots?
I have read and followed some of the threads that have been posted. There was one in particular, by regmar ... however, I think his point was lost.
I don't know him personally, but have been around long enough to suspect that he was initiating a discussion ... simply put. He is a mod, I believe ... for some reason though, he chooses to have the symbol as he chose to remain in front of his username.
Really a good hearted person, is my impression of him. That was seeking a lively debate ... not a divisive one. And I don't think that I am wrong on this ... could be, but don't think so.
Other comments that have crept up were and are regard to something I think can easily be digested. That being, if there is a proliferation of any kind ... any kind, of image on the site here ... welll, the bar does indeed get set higher for those that post in that genre.
Would you not agree?
To state my own preferences, likes, stance ... what have you ... no problem with flowers here. None whatsoever. I particularly like the macro shots that give us a peek at a hidden ... ok, not hidden 'hidden', but from our normal purview let's say.
This just might be a thread for fun, as I do think that it is at its' base ... however, there seems to be equally enamoured photographers on both sides of the gender fence that post flower images.
Now then ... where's the tea and cookies?
*has left pinkie at the ready to posture*
Whaaa? A discussion concerning flowers and no tea? No cookies??
Sacrilege, I say ... and did.
:oP
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You flower lovers need to stop loitering here or I'm going to call the constable ...
comment on the images that are slipping through your grasp, unloved .. ... please ... I am not worthy
pink beauty .. by mircea74
“Earth laughs in flowers.”
~~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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You flower lovers need to stop loitering here or I'm going to call the constable ...
comment on the images that are slipping through your grasp, unloved .. ... please ... I am not worthy
pink beauty .. by mircea74
“Earth laughs in flowers.”
~~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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‘Just as we are all different and unique, so is each bloom. Multiply that by the infinite number of ways to present each one and the sky is the limit’
Yes, there is infinite variety in nature but therein lies your problem – I think there is a great deal of apathy toward flower shots at the moment here, as that variety isn’t represented. A quick scan through the galleries reveals that the vast majority of the images revolve around literally a handful of species that are often presented in a similar fashion both in colour and setting. Im guessing this is because they are the most common species in gardens but nonetheless – as with any repetitive subject matter - people soon reach a saturation point with it.
I'm sure that there is sufficient diversity in the flower kingdom to seek and present original images through the countless species over and above the usual fodder of roses, daisies/gerberas, Lillies, orchids, crocuses etc.
Yes, there is infinite variety in nature but therein lies your problem – I think there is a great deal of apathy toward flower shots at the moment here, as that variety isn’t represented. A quick scan through the galleries reveals that the vast majority of the images revolve around literally a handful of species that are often presented in a similar fashion both in colour and setting. Im guessing this is because they are the most common species in gardens but nonetheless – as with any repetitive subject matter - people soon reach a saturation point with it.
I'm sure that there is sufficient diversity in the flower kingdom to seek and present original images through the countless species over and above the usual fodder of roses, daisies/gerberas, Lillies, orchids, crocuses etc.
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A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
Just as there is tremendous diversity among the various species of flowers, there is also much diversity within the species, enough so that posting of multiple daisies, lilies and the like can have variety of bloom, variety of presentation, variety of color, variety of image quality and so forth.. The flower is a representation of beauty and the garden and can never become trite any more than a different view of a landscape or a different insect or animal can become trite. Should we go in search of undiscovered species of flowers, as I am sure they exist, to be able to represent 'beauty' in a different way? Once we know the undiscovered does it then become in time also trite?
I say, "Enjoy the flowers while ye may"...and I am posting another lily!
They say that if you are going to write a good book, then write about what you know, what is around you. Well, I believe that holds true for photography. Know your subject and try to make each image a little better than the last one as you grow in your craft. If I somehow, one day, I have the good fortune to travel to S. America, India or some other exotic place, I will be sure to photograph the flowers there as well.
I say, "Enjoy the flowers while ye may"...and I am posting another lily!
They say that if you are going to write a good book, then write about what you know, what is around you. Well, I believe that holds true for photography. Know your subject and try to make each image a little better than the last one as you grow in your craft. If I somehow, one day, I have the good fortune to travel to S. America, India or some other exotic place, I will be sure to photograph the flowers there as well.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
it's just an observation of the current state of the flower galleries and my opinion as to why they don’t always receive the attention their poster may like. over saturation of any genre is bound to lead viewer apathy regardless of the passions of the original artist - there may indeed be subtle variations on the theme but ultimately it’s all about perception and more often than not this is confined to a quick and superficial nature.
There is no need to travel far and wide to find new things - you could just leave the garden and go out into the wilds for instance. Personally I find wild flowers far more appealing visually than cultured and overly cosmetic garden varieties, primarily because they tend to be more delicate and often more photogenic due to their surroundings - but again that’s just a personal choice.
There is no need to travel far and wide to find new things - you could just leave the garden and go out into the wilds for instance. Personally I find wild flowers far more appealing visually than cultured and overly cosmetic garden varieties, primarily because they tend to be more delicate and often more photogenic due to their surroundings - but again that’s just a personal choice.
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A smart bomb is only as clever as the idiot that tells it what to do
In truth, I see what you are trying to say, Phil, and I agree with you that there are a lot of flower pictures, but then there are lots of flowers. I think in a way, we have to revert back to our reasons in posting any kind of image here at all. Do we do it to garner an excellent c:index, get oohs and aahs and maybe a place in the permanent gallery? Sure, that would be ideal, but we also are trying to capture the next excellent shot and looking for approval or (and this is the hard part for some)suggestions on how it could be a better photograph because that is what would help us improve, especially if commenters are honest. So, flowers are readily available, make great subjects because they don't run away, and come in so many forms, colors and sizes. Some of the reasons I like to photograph them. And if the subject is not as popular as some others, that's okay too, but I shouldn't like to think that they are unpopular solely because of their numbers and as others have pointed out in another thread, there are other subjects with greater numbers of posts in the perms than those in the flower category.
Well, those are just some thoughts. I posted the start of the thread because I thought the ideas about flower images in the magazine article were interesting and sometimes flower images get bad press in the threads here.
Well, those are just some thoughts. I posted the start of the thread because I thought the ideas about flower images in the magazine article were interesting and sometimes flower images get bad press in the threads here.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
As a general rule, I like flowers and flower shots. But for me to truly appreciate the image, not the flower it portrays, it needs to have a certain "oomph". Some of the flower shots here have that. Many do not. Compositionally, a good deal of flower photos seem to be saying "ok, here it is. period"
Wow me. Show me a new angle. Let me see details not immediately apparent. I've seen quite a few flower photos here, and it seems to be one of four shots over and over again.
shot 1) 45 degree descent into the center of the bloom.
shot 2) dead-on*
shot 3) flower tilted at 45 degrees,andnestled in a corner*
shot 4) side view of the exterior petals
*full disclosure: I've uploaded shots like that in the past
point is, I think these repeated shots, composition-wise, are the source of lament, more so than the overall theme.
comments?
Wow me. Show me a new angle. Let me see details not immediately apparent. I've seen quite a few flower photos here, and it seems to be one of four shots over and over again.
shot 1) 45 degree descent into the center of the bloom.
shot 2) dead-on*
shot 3) flower tilted at 45 degrees,andnestled in a corner*
shot 4) side view of the exterior petals
*full disclosure: I've uploaded shots like that in the past
point is, I think these repeated shots, composition-wise, are the source of lament, more so than the overall theme.
comments?
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Do you have any suggestions for Shots 5,6 or 7? I'd like to give them a try. lol
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
shooting from the hip (no pun intended), here goes:
from the base of the stem, upwards. this will alter perspective to give the flower a towering feel.
try back-lighting a flower or a bunch. ought to give a whole different feel and texture.
apply a high-force fan (vornado, or similar) or a cold hair dryer, to open the petals wide open, and give the viewer an encompassing feel to the shot.
how's that? :o)
from the base of the stem, upwards. this will alter perspective to give the flower a towering feel.
try back-lighting a flower or a bunch. ought to give a whole different feel and texture.
apply a high-force fan (vornado, or similar) or a cold hair dryer, to open the petals wide open, and give the viewer an encompassing feel to the shot.
how's that? :o)
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I've seen 5 done here before. Maybe I'll give 6 or 7 a try. It's not going to be easy manipulating that hair dryer and remote shutter button release at the same time though! Maybe me trying would make a great shot in itself! Thanks for not just blowing hot air (no pun), but having an idea for alternative suggestions too as I had asked for.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
absolutely. otherwise it's just sniping from the peanut gallery.
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"I'm sure that there is sufficient diversity in the flower kingdom to seek and present original images through the countless species over and above the usual fodder of roses, daisies/gerberas, Lillies, orchids, crocuses etc.
Yes, there is infinite variety in nature but therein lies your problem "
There is !!
And I, and others have tried. I have posted coleus, gazanias,begonias, leucodendrons, hydrangeas,alstroemeria, agapanthus. magnolia, lilacs, violets, dandelions, foxgloves, to name but a few. I could go on, and on, and on. Wild, cultivated, cut, growing. Singly, in bunches, manipulated, left alone. Look at my gallery, they are there, some accepted, more rejected. Boring to some, but to me never.
Even wallflowers.
Most of them end up being "wallflowers" anyway. If they are saying "ok, here it is. period" as suggested then they deserve to be. Some do, some don't. Some work, some don't. Sometimes those that DO work are not liked by all. Or very few. Sometimes it all seems such a waste of time even bothering.
And then, often out of the blue, unexpectedly, there may be a comment that makes it all worthwhile. A flower, transient, caught on camera by a stranger, has 'spoken' to someone. Said something.
That is what makes flower photography worthwhile.
Yes, there is infinite variety in nature but therein lies your problem "
There is !!
And I, and others have tried. I have posted coleus, gazanias,begonias, leucodendrons, hydrangeas,alstroemeria, agapanthus. magnolia, lilacs, violets, dandelions, foxgloves, to name but a few. I could go on, and on, and on. Wild, cultivated, cut, growing. Singly, in bunches, manipulated, left alone. Look at my gallery, they are there, some accepted, more rejected. Boring to some, but to me never.
Even wallflowers.
Most of them end up being "wallflowers" anyway. If they are saying "ok, here it is. period" as suggested then they deserve to be. Some do, some don't. Some work, some don't. Sometimes those that DO work are not liked by all. Or very few. Sometimes it all seems such a waste of time even bothering.
And then, often out of the blue, unexpectedly, there may be a comment that makes it all worthwhile. A flower, transient, caught on camera by a stranger, has 'spoken' to someone. Said something.
That is what makes flower photography worthwhile.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
(*shoulders droop*) .. so? .. you won't be stopping anytime soon?
(*smacks self*)
(*brightens*) .. I never knew there were so many flower types .. and you say they all look different?
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(*brightens*) .. I never knew there were so many flower types .. and you say they all look different?
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Very creative Keifer and this one is so different from the last. I just love your work. You really have a gift. ,0) Seriously, I like them.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
um .. (*blushes*) .. thanks
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a drunk butterfly?? lmao..
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MY GALLERY
........... "Live one day at a time and make it a masterpiece"
No ... no ... no one, dedicated an image to me ... :o(
*runs off to console himself ... with a cup of tea and cookies*
'Mmmm ... must be, 'cause I don't have a symbol ... *cries* ... '
:oP
*runs off to console himself ... with a cup of tea and cookies*
'Mmmm ... must be, 'cause I don't have a symbol ... *cries* ... '
:oP
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
Stay tuned, Les.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
*gets comfortable in front of his monitor*
:o)
:o)
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
Share a few cookies Les, and you never know . . . .
:)
:)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Les .. you're such a Rock Star
your groupies throw their pansies on stage
your groupies throw their pansies on stage
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It would be totally inappropriate, inelegant, and newbie gross of me to point out that flowers are sex organs so I just won't do it.
But I do have to keep the pictures of them in my very discreet, low-profile, dimly lit, back street gallery so that weaker members of society are shielded from the sight of them. Macro photography is only for those of strong character and pure thoughts.
:::rubbing pollen off nose:::
But I do have to keep the pictures of them in my very discreet, low-profile, dimly lit, back street gallery so that weaker members of society are shielded from the sight of them. Macro photography is only for those of strong character and pure thoughts.
:::rubbing pollen off nose:::
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“A photograph is a secret about a secret.
The more it tells you the less you know.”
Diane Arbus
*steps up to the podium to speak a few words on strong character and pure thoughts*
Uhm ... I lost my notes. Oops. :o(
However ... tea and cookies are now being served ... over there ... *points to table in the back*
Help yourself. :o)
Just watch that Lyn ... she can pack away the shortbread, so the rumours go. :oP
p.s. Have you seen this one yet? You should, although I might be a tad ... a tad biased. Nahhhh ... ;o)
Uhm ... I lost my notes. Oops. :o(
However ... tea and cookies are now being served ... over there ... *points to table in the back*
Help yourself. :o)
Just watch that Lyn ... she can pack away the shortbread, so the rumours go. :oP
p.s. Have you seen this one yet? You should, although I might be a tad ... a tad biased. Nahhhh ... ;o)
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
Aha, cookies shared :) I am sorting out a dedication as we speak - and eat.
BTW - I like chocolate coated ones.
BTW - I like chocolate coated ones.
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
That's very funny, Pixleslie. "And now you know the rest of the story". lol
Thanks, Les (Purmusic). Did you guys save any cookies for me?
Thanks, Les (Purmusic). Did you guys save any cookies for me?
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
Blessed are the Sneeze Makers ♫
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This latest offering from one of our resident "Sneeze Makers" ... found here :o)
Hey ... hey ... hey! Hands off the chocolate-covered shortbread. I said ... they are for the 'artist' ... sheesh.
*puts Keith in a timeout*
:oP
And of course Cindy, lots left ... I think that Lyn might even part with a few of her shortbreads. :o)
Hey ... hey ... hey! Hands off the chocolate-covered shortbread. I said ... they are for the 'artist' ... sheesh.
*puts Keith in a timeout*
:oP
And of course Cindy, lots left ... I think that Lyn might even part with a few of her shortbreads. :o)
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"Sometimes me think what is love, and then me think love is what last cookie is for. Me give up the last cookie for you." - Cookie Monster
I think it's not so much that there are too many flower pics here, but rather that there are too many *average* flower pics that anyone could've taken. I enjoy the really stunning ones myself.
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Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
I think Emily that would apply to all categories. But without the average ones we would not appreciate the stunners. :)
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The question is not what you look at, but what you see ~ Marcel Proust
Great point, Eve!
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes
Beavis and Butthead once said: .. You gotta have stuff that sucks in order to have stuff that's cool
(*wipes tear*)
th, th, there's a lot of truth in that
(*wipes tear*)
th, th, there's a lot of truth in that
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Consider the source.
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You will be led to the knowledge of the internal things which are invisible to you, by the external things which you see before you. . . . Even so then, we can represent to ourselves in thought the Author of all that is, by contemplating and admiring the (visible) things which He has made, and ever brings into being.
- Hermes