Caedes

Some quick changes

Submitted by caedes 04/09/05 2:17 AM GMT

You probably noticed that the front page has changed a bit. I finally got around to adding thumbnails for the top new images (TNI). Now I don't want to hear any more complaining about how being a TNI ruins your c-index! =) The TNI are now selected randomly from the top 10% of images (by c-index) from between 3 and 9 days ago (in order for them to get enough votes). They also have to have a minimum of 5 votes. I've also updated the main logo (upper left corner) and placed a cap on the karma which is displayed on your profile. Anything above 1000 karma now shows as "massive." Comments?

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::xyccoc
04/09/05 2:19 AM GMT
love it.. adds some color to the mainpage as well.. as always, a great job

Dj
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
+grimbug
04/09/05 2:40 AM GMT
A great improvement! I've been waiting to see something like that on the front page since way back, when some of us suggested it on the site design contest! and the karma cap is a good move too!
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- 'Insert witty quip here'
+Piner
04/09/05 2:47 AM GMT
Two thumbs up for "Not Mr. Caedes" ;c)
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
*caedes
04/09/05 2:54 AM GMT
=) It's just wierd when people say that... like it's really my name.
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-caedes
::xyccoc
04/09/05 3:21 AM GMT
so what should we call you? hehe
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
mcwick
04/09/05 3:50 AM GMT
I like it a lot. Much easier than clicking on each link to view it. Very nice job!
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Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic.
DeathScytheG
04/09/05 4:07 AM GMT
Little problem - when I click on one of the TNI images on the homepage, the page loads without displaying the pic or any of the following comments, votes, etc. When I go in to the pic from the users profile, it works. I'm not sure, but I think (hope) it's not just me.

*edit*
Looking at the URLs of each link (the one from the homepage and the one from the user's profile), I've noticed that the value "Zephir.cgi?" is missing from the link on the homepage's TNI display.

Take mayne's "Majestic" for example.

TNI link URL=http://www.caedes.net/?lib=Caedes::Infopage&image=mayne-1112417003.jpg

Profile URL=http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Caedes::Infopage&image=mayne-1112417003.jpg

Hope that helps
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1389590
04/09/05 4:11 AM GMT
Uhhh. yeah. I agree with Glenn. I have the same problem..... I click on the TNI picture and when the page is done loading, there is nothing......
:(
-Ed
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A lot of great photos are taken by mistake, then found. Don't give up on a failure. "Don't give up on ten failures. Time to give up on fifty failures." Smile. The world needs it and so do you. :)
MiLo_Anderson
04/09/05 4:27 AM GMT
Im sure its already been discused but is there a reason to the karma cap?
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"A piece of toast with butter always lands butter side down, and a cat always lands on its feet. What happens if a piece of toast is tied butter side down to the back of a cat? Does it perpetually hover above the ground in indecision when dropped?"
stuffnstuff
04/09/05 4:30 AM GMT
That is so Joost doesn't make caedes look bad. :-)

I ahev the same link problem too, but it isn't a huge deal. The site certaily looks different, it really shocked me at first. I am sure the weirdness will wear off in a day or two. Thanks for showing us that there really are people striving to make the site better!
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-those who hit rock bottom are too concerned with self pity to realize that they are lying on an anvil- Psalm 66:10, Job 10:8
::JOHANNA
04/09/05 4:51 AM GMT
Great and nice job and good idea about the karma.
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Carpe diem....
DixieNormus
04/09/05 4:56 AM GMT
Nice.
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auline
04/09/05 6:04 AM GMT
Looks great, but like everyone else when I click on the thumb nail to enlarge it and get the info there is nothing just a blank page. Hope to see it working soon :)
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bjb
04/09/05 6:22 AM GMT
Ditto on the blank pages.
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"The best color in the whole world, is the one that looks good, on you!" Coco Chanel
+Piner
04/09/05 6:33 AM GMT
Ditto on BJ's ditto. :cP
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
Crusader
04/09/05 6:37 AM GMT
It looks different in a good way. Guess it will just take a bit of getting used to.
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- Let me show you the world through my eyes... Final Frontier
::Radjehuty
04/09/05 6:45 AM GMT
I think Joost's Karma should be "Super Massive" he worked hard for that insane 21k...lol
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::JOHANNA
04/09/05 7:09 AM GMT
Good idea Dave..lol.But again great work from Caedes.
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Carpe diem....
Romane
04/09/05 7:54 AM GMT
Good morning
I like it. Agree with the comment that it adds some colour.
Enjoy your day
Romane
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Success is found by having the courage to let go of known shores.
warocle
04/09/05 8:37 AM GMT
That looks great on the front page, but I am having the same problem.. when I click the image (to comment or view fullsize) it is a blank page with menu on the left...
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PrettyFae
04/09/05 8:44 AM GMT
I think this was a wonderful idea caedes!!!
A few of my images got into the top new images a couple of days ago and afterwards, their c-index plummeted really badly...but I think that now you can see the thumbnails, people will only click on an image if it looks good - because before, you couldn't tell whether you would like the image by its name or not :P - therefore, no one should really suffer this problem anymore :D
Great job!
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::CaptainHero
04/09/05 8:57 AM GMT
yes, it looks excellent, I was impressed as soon as I logged on today. Agree with the Karma cap too. Perhaps we could take it further and have categories - i.e. under 100 is one category, 101-500 i another 501-1000 and so on (or whatever). If this was adopted, the category names would have to be chosen carefully to (i) avoid being condescending (calling people 'beginner' wouldn't go down well, if recent discussions are anything to go by...) and (ii) avoid creating any 'hierachy' by equating them to ranks in any way. Just a thought

Anyway, the front page looks great.
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::monkeypuzzle
04/09/05 9:01 AM GMT
very nice indeed, i agree the front page looks much moreinviting as desktop/artwork site. however i have the same prob with the blank pages loading. :~)
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"Today, Beautiful people, open your eyes.....& when you do, wont you tell me what you see?.." - Trinity Roots
::CaptainHero
04/09/05 9:06 AM GMT
Yes, having tested it, I too get blank pages when I click on a TNI image. :-(


Edit: Agree with Glenn - the Zephir.cgi is missing from the url - if you insert that it works fine. Must just be a little error when it was recoded.
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PrettyFae
04/09/05 11:01 AM GMT
Ok, I'm confused...I can't see anything either :S What do I do? I don't understand any of this computer language, lol...
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PrettyFae x...Spread the Passion...
::CaptainHero
04/09/05 11:41 AM GMT
You can do one of two things:

(i)You can insert Zephir.cgi in between the / and the ? on the address bar at the top of your browser
(so http://www.caedes.net/?lib=Caedes::Infopage&image=June-1112362148.jpg becomes http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Caedes::Infopage&image=June-1112362148.jpg)

or

(ii)You can do nothing and wait for Caedes to fix it.
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PrettyFae
04/09/05 11:43 AM GMT
Ok...I think I'll do nothing, lol...I'm sure it won't be long untill Caedes fixes it :D...I can wait :)
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ELSTAVEO
04/09/05 11:45 AM GMT
cool v helpful
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"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."
::mia04
04/09/05 1:07 PM GMT
It looks great this way... sure, one has to get used to it, but I like the change. And it's good that the "curse" of the top new images is banned ;-)
Thanks!
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For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
::CanoeGuru
04/09/05 1:31 PM GMT
I'm so glad to see this change! Can't wait until the links are fixed :) I think this is a wonderful improvement. One thing though, I would like to see a title that indicates "Top New Images." Of course, those of us who have been here a while know what they are, but newbies won't. :)

As far as the Karma goes, I think CaptainHero's idea of different titles for different Karma categories is a great idea! Maybe some sort of icon that is different for each category.
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phoenixashes
04/09/05 3:00 PM GMT
Really do like the change, kind of miss the featured image thing but can live without it. Like the logo, some people were just... what's this website about? And the karma thing is a good idea too. Oh and I'm having the same problem with clicking the picture and nothing coming up... hmm
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::CaptainHero
04/09/05 3:02 PM GMT
Yes, a title for 'Top New Images' would be good. Also an explanation of how they are chosen on the FAQ.

Thanks for the support on the idea of different karma levels, Rebecca.
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*caedes
04/09/05 7:14 PM GMT
Wow, I really should have caught that bug before updating the site. Thanks all.
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-caedes
DeathScytheG
04/09/05 8:29 PM GMT
No problem. We're patient :-D
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-=Pride is not a sin=-
1389590
04/10/05 12:45 AM GMT
Nice! Caedes (or whoever you are !), you probably did something, because now, I can view the pictures (if you didn't do anything, then it must have been my computer pulling a trick on me....) LOL.
Thanks for the change - now I can choose pictures I want to see without clicking back and forth through the titles! Great change - like many have said already, it adds a lot of colors to it and it looks more inviting! :D
-Ed
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A lot of great photos are taken by mistake, then found. Don't give up on a failure. "Don't give up on ten failures. Time to give up on fifty failures." Smile. The world needs it and so do you. :)
_Miraculous__
04/10/05 12:51 AM GMT
I noticed the change... then I looked to see if there was some news about it changing, or if I was just nuts, thankfully it really changed ;) Looks good.
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::xyccoc
04/10/05 2:46 AM GMT
looks great.. and thanks for the quick fix..
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
::fotobob
04/10/05 7:39 AM GMT
I like tthe new format like everyone else but I have a question. How long does an image remain on the screen. It is almost like watching a sldie show of wonderful images. Everytime I return to the home page there are diferent images. I have seen one of mine appear at least three different times in different locaions.If this is a roating slide show then KUDOS as it will allow more images to be displaed. Still the question is how long will an image be allowed to remain on the TNI. Good work, thank you.
fotobob
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Annie and I invite you to visit our website. Photography is not a trade - it is an art. It is more that an art. It is a solar phenomenon, where the artist collaborates with the sun. deLamartine 1855
dancenfool85
04/10/05 5:33 PM GMT
I love having images on the homepage, ditto on the title for Top New Images, and I was wondering if anyone noticed that when they clicked on Earth Hugger, an error came up saying it had been deleted! Is this just a glitch, or was it really deleted? If so, some people might be kinda confused understanding why it would be a top new image if it had been deleted, and that includes me... lol.
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LiquidguitarJP
04/10/05 6:36 PM GMT
Massive... ..the karma was like our score. Haha, but I guess i'll have to get over it. I'm sure there was a good reason you did that.
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Gather ye Rosebuds While ye May, Old time is still A-Flyin' This same Flower that Smiles today, Tomorrow will be Dyin' My lonely image: The Eye of the Beholder's Cousin
::CaptainHero
04/11/05 9:40 PM GMT
Yeah, I experienced the Earth Hugger problem. Possibly deleted due to copyright issues, at a guess.

A question, Caedes: Will we see the single image that used to be on the left ever again (can't remember what it was called..um...'Featured Image', that was it...)?
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*caedes
04/11/05 10:45 PM GMT
Yes, I'm thinking of a few different ways to do that. I've not done the work to code it yet though.
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-caedes
vamoura
04/12/05 6:30 PM GMT
Bravo!!! Caedes for the improvement on the front page! I really like everything on it!
Kudoz for the karma!
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::CaptainHero
04/12/05 7:16 PM GMT
Ok, thanks for the reply.
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theffx
04/12/05 8:39 PM GMT
Thanks Caedes, this is great!
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-theffx
PrettyFae
04/14/05 10:49 AM GMT
The karma thing is a really good idea, caedes...it'll stop people vying for the highest points :D
Love all the changes...great job!
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co2metal
04/14/05 5:16 PM GMT
but wouldnt that be a good thing? lol
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PrettyFae
04/14/05 8:15 PM GMT
Lol...I suppose it could, yeah...^_^
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PrettyFae x...Spread the Passion...
Thunderchicken
04/15/05 12:49 AM GMT
I like the thumbnails on the home page. It gives people a glimpse into what the site contains. Smooth move Caedes!
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tbhockey
04/15/05 1:43 AM GMT
As MiloAnderson said "Im sure its already been discused but is there a reason to the karma cap?" ?
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-tbhockey
*caedes
04/15/05 1:54 AM GMT
The karma cap is to remove the incentive for people to past many comments for the sole purpose of getting a rediculously high karma.
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-caedes
::Radjehuty
04/15/05 2:34 AM GMT
meh, it probably wouldn't stop anything lol
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"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it." -Chinese Proverb
::JOHANNA
04/15/05 5:55 AM GMT
I hope that some won't think that i am commenting lesser because my Karma changed in massive, forget it, i continue the same way, it is my good right i presume.
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Carpe diem....
co2metal
04/15/05 6:49 AM GMT
suuuuure, joost... jk lol
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tbhockey
04/15/05 10:47 AM GMT
oh ok. sounds like a reasonable idea to me.
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-tbhockey
Lithfo
04/24/05 5:13 AM GMT
Are any of these images still randomly selected or are these all top images? Either way, I like it.

EDIT: What I mean to say is, do moderators still select an image they find particularly nice or are these all just taken from the top 10%?
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I appreciate your concern.
co2metal
04/24/05 6:40 AM GMT
i don't believe moderators have ever had anything to do with the TNI's.. like caedes said, "The TNI are now selected randomly from the top 10% of images (by c-index) from between 3 and 9 days ago (in order for them to get enough votes). They also have to have a minimum of 5 votes.".. so all of what you see is in the top 10% of images between 3 and 7 days old.
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click here for pure excellence
Lithfo
04/24/05 5:57 PM GMT
Okay, thanks for the info.

Remember though how there used to be one image on the left that would change every now and then while the top five images were on the right as links? I always thought visible image was a selected piece.
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I appreciate your concern.
::CaptainHero
04/24/05 6:29 PM GMT
No, that image was chosen on a rolling basis from a selection of high-rated images in the permanent galleries by a set criteria. Like the TNI's, it was selected by a script, not a person. The only difference with the new look is that thumbnails are now visible and the single 'Featured Image' has temporarily gone (I believe that Caedes is looking at bringing it back when he has coded it). Also the TNI criteria formula is slightly different, I think.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
*caedes
04/24/05 8:51 PM GMT
yes, all correct.
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-caedes
::xyccoc
04/24/05 11:48 PM GMT
dont know if its just me, but im guessing the upper left image is being worked on to bring back the featured image? had noticed it wasnt one of the new images a minute ago and was curious..

Dj
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
*caedes
04/24/05 11:51 PM GMT
Yeah, I just changed it. It is now an image from the permanent galleries.
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-caedes
::xyccoc
04/24/05 11:54 PM GMT
not to be a pest about it, but is there any way to distinguish between them.. i mean, i know the difference, as will most of the regulars, but for those who arent familiar.. just an idea.. dont take me too serious :)

Dj
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
*caedes
04/25/05 12:03 AM GMT
If you can come up with a space-efficient, attractive way to distinguish between them then you're welcome to lay out a design suggestion.
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-caedes
::xyccoc
04/25/05 1:06 AM GMT
how bout something simple like this? granted this is only an image, but it gives you an idea of what i was thinking.. simple, only drops the images a few pixels further down.. but should be able to cut down on confusion :D

as i said before, this is only an idea

Dj
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)
::CaptainHero
04/25/05 4:57 PM GMT
I'm not keen on that design, DJ, but then again I'm also not keen on having no demarcation between the featured image and the TNI's.

Perhaps Two FI's (vertically) and then the remaining 4 TNI's? There would still need to be titles (as suggested some time ago on this thread). Some sort of vertical border would be required between the two areas too.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
+Samatar
04/25/05 11:35 PM GMT
Would it be possible to make the title of the image include the words "Featured image -"?
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::CaptainHero
04/26/05 6:34 PM GMT
Underneath the image you mean? Maybe - would there be room with longer titles?
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
co2metal
04/26/05 9:01 PM GMT
maybe the TNI thumbnails could be a bit smaller and at the right side with no titles, and a featured image centered to the left?
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*caedes
04/26/05 9:08 PM GMT
I really don't se the point in designating the images with special names. We know that they images are "featured" because they are on the front page after all. The reason that they are featured seems like a detail that the average visitor to the site doesn't really need to know. For instance, what if I decide to put a "lonely" image on the front page so that it will get enough votes. Would I then have to add a caption to the image telling exactly why it was chosen and maybe including the math formula that I used to select it? I'll probably just leave it as is for now.
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-caedes
scionlord
04/26/05 10:38 PM GMT
*refers to a comment on other posts with regard to possibility of coloured border around permanent images* Only needs to be what...5 pixels wide at the most? Even if it is only a dark colour, it would be nice to be able to differentiate at a quick glance.

Going back to the beginning of this post, I would like to point out the minimum of 5 votes to get inclusion....sometimes it takes days or weeks to get more than 2 votes. I suppose it need us as in all the people that regularly comment to make sure we vote on every image we look at regardless of comment or not.
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*caedes
04/26/05 10:56 PM GMT
Yes, I considered the statistics on voting before deciding onthe number of votes and the time interval from which the images are chosen.
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-caedes
::Torque
04/27/05 12:57 AM GMT
I really like the new site design and also noticed no one had commented on the slight change in the link-to-home image in the upper corner. Adding "Desktop Wallpaper" was a subtle and in my opinion much needed improvement so good thinking there.

Now, duck or you might get hit with a couple of pennies... I was thinking that the images on the homepage serve two main purposes, one is to highlight good images that members might not have seen (both new and old) and the other is to put our best foot forward for first time visitors. In that spirit, what if the images were split three and three. Then you could separate the rows and label the top row "featured classics" and the bottom row "best new images" or something like that.

With the new rotation plenty of top new images get exposure so it seems like 3 would be ok instead of 5. That also gives more exposure to some of the great classics we may have missed or forgotten, and I think that bank of images is probably a better foot to put forward on average since it pulls the cream from a larger crop than the best new ones.

Also, I do think that if lonely images are added they should be identified as such since they are probably not up to the quality of the usual featured images we might present to visitors of the site.
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scionlord
04/27/05 9:28 AM GMT
hmm...lonely images are not necessarily of lesser quality, I think it is often to do with the style of image, which may put people off, or perhaps people don't scroll through new images, and it is not visited.
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GreenDayGurl2005
04/27/05 6:26 PM GMT
are you trying to get people to leave you comments? Because I'll leave one so you can be one comment closer to "massive" lol. Bye!!! :)
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PrettyFae
04/27/05 6:39 PM GMT
I think the front page is fine as it is...caedes is right...we don't really need to know that the top left image originates from the permanent galleries. In answer to scionlord;s query about votes..I've never really had a problem getting five votes...surely it doesn't take weeks to months on some people's work!? No offence meant, of course ^_^
But what I don't understand is how the *lonely images* gallery really works, because although it's supposed to be for images that *haven't been given enough love and affection* by other caedes members...some of the desktops in there have been featured in the top new images at the same time...and on the odd occasion when my images have appeared in there, it doesn't make sense why they sould because most of the time they do have over five votes and rather a high c-index, too!
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sansoni7
04/28/05 7:21 AM GMT
Very good work. Congratulation ęMr. CaedesĽ, we all thank your work to put Caedes.net to the top....ever !
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Si
04/28/05 3:50 PM GMT
I like the changes, and think that thumbnails for the TNIs is a great idea. If the design stays like this I'll be happy..... But I do like Torque's idea. Three images with a caption "Top New Images" and three captioned "Featured Classics" (or similar) would make it even better imho.
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Lithfo
04/29/05 6:56 AM GMT
This may have already been answered, but how often do the images rotate/change?
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I appreciate your concern.
*caedes
04/29/05 10:03 PM GMT
every five minutes
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-caedes
trisbert
04/30/05 3:57 PM GMT
I really like the new way of displaying TNI I think is a very fair and efficient way of showing our latest best. It wets my appetite I would like to be able to scroll through all the TNIís. Would a link to a TNI page be possible?
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There are three colours, Ten digits and seven notes, its what we do with them thatís important. Ruth Ross
+Piner
04/30/05 6:11 PM GMT
Trisbert, just go to the "new images" gallery and sort by c-index.
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
trisbert
05/01/05 1:47 AM GMT
Thanks Tom, obvious really eh :-)
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There are three colours, Ten digits and seven notes, its what we do with them thatís important. Ruth Ross
::CaptainHero
05/01/05 9:59 AM GMT
Ah - I see you've gone for three-and-three now.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
PrettyFae
05/01/05 6:12 PM GMT
Ooooh, I hadn't noticed that...pretty cool idea though ^_^
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Si
05/01/05 6:23 PM GMT
Thank you. I may have said it before, but the service here really is excellent :-)
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::Torque
05/01/05 9:32 PM GMT
good stuff ;)
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~My select image - Wading Patiently
::CaptainHero
05/16/05 9:37 PM GMT
Just spotted 'hypermode'. Has that been there for long?
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
*caedes
05/16/05 10:29 PM GMT
no, I've just added it. We've been discussing it in the ... discussion forums recently.
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-caedes
stuffnstuff
05/22/05 8:56 PM GMT
I just noticed ppigeon's image "Shimmer" in the top-middle position on the front page. If I recall correctly (from reading most but not all of this thread), isn't the top left one the featured image and the rest are top new images? This image has been around a while; ppigeon gave me permission to use some of his pictures for my church's youth group a while back, and this was one that I used at the time (impying that it has been here a while as well). Maybe I just missed something about the organization of the front page.
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-those who hit rock bottom are too concerned with self pity to realize that they are lying on an anvil- Psalm 66:10, Job 10:8
::xyccoc
05/22/05 9:12 PM GMT
its a little different now stuffs.. the top 3 are in permanant galleries.. the bottom 3 are TNI's
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And everytime I feel that my lifes a waste.. I just cant rid myself of your bitter taste.. - Me (Option21)

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