Caedes

Ideas for Supporting caedes.net

Submitted by caedes 07/15/03 1:43 AM GMT

Currently caedes.net is hosted on a dedicated server which costs $100 per month to lease. I only have to pay $5 of that because the server is shared by the other members of the Websensei Hosting Alliance. This is really cool, however there is going to be a time when caedes.net needs to have a server all to itself, and we'll have to find a way to raise the $100 each month.

Any good ideas?

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tronwizard
07/15/03 5:12 PM GMT
I'm new to the site and I'm also in love with it. Ask for donations and unlike the soviet PBS you'll more than likely meet or exceed what's needed. I too love the free access concept but an email asking me to drop a ten once in a while will not upset me. Especially considering the quality and usability of this site...ask and we will provide.
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Morat
07/15/03 7:37 PM GMT
How about putting together a CD of the best wallpapers that people can order for a next-to-nominal fee? I'm not talking about a 20 CD, rather a cost of disk + cost of Caedes time to duplicate + small profit. I'd be happy to have any images of mine that Caedes deemed suitable put on it so long as I retained my copyright or whatever. I'd try the donations route first though, you might be surprised by the response.
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DJDK
07/15/03 8:44 PM GMT
Morat: good idea! :D
Donnydoofus1: Good thinking!
Reddwg151: Meh... I'm outta here if I need to pay anything...

I say we go for the CD/Donation... (Paypal.com has a good donation button thing... It's free, well I think so.. I'm installing paypal on one of my sites soon...). If you go with paypal you can have a donation button and you can have peepl pay there cd with it also...
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reddawg151
07/15/03 9:34 PM GMT
are some of you all saying you will donate but you wouldn't pay for a premium membership? that's silly isn't it?
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+WinterNight
07/15/03 9:42 PM GMT
I think what they are saying is, don't have a premium membership service, they will donate to keep everything free. So everyone can access everything for free.
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-WinterNight
*caedes
07/15/03 9:48 PM GMT
The only other thing I have thought of so far is tying the site to a poster print service like Zazzel or daprints, however I'm certainly willing to try the paypal donation idea if it will actually work. One other thing, the 40,000 number is the total number of users who have registered on the site, not the number that go here regularly. A better idea of the Regular members is the "regular members" count (oddly enough) on the main page. it's about 750 right now.
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-caedes
camerahound
07/15/03 10:00 PM GMT
For whatever it's worth: after a few months on photo.net for free, I found the site so useful and enjoyable I voluntarily paid $25 through PayPal. Now I have a neat little icon next to my name indicating I'm a Great Grand Poobah or something. Anyway, as an habitual user of this site, I would have no problem helping support it with a small donation.
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CrazyIvan
07/15/03 10:05 PM GMT
In order to pay for server space, a subscription doesn't sound unreasonably. With the number of members participating on a regular basis, the amount would be miniscule. Right now Caedes is footing the bill to allow us to exchange images in one of the best social environments on the net. I think it would be no less than selfish to refuse to help out with the cost.
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*caedes
07/15/03 10:11 PM GMT
Hey! I like the icon idea. Cheap and easy. I could pretty easily make a special group that I could add people to when they donate. Then the special group could get other powers like weak moderation and more voting leverage.
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-caedes
+WinterNight
07/15/03 10:22 PM GMT
Sounds good, but what would come "weak moderation", like what powers? ;-)
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-WinterNight
*caedes
07/15/03 10:24 PM GMT
You could suggest that something be changed but couldn't change it yourself.
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-caedes
+WinterNight
07/16/03 12:00 AM GMT
Ah, I see
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-WinterNight
reddawg151
07/16/03 2:41 AM GMT
that's a good idea, anything to give people extra incentive to help out. if the fact that the site is the best of it's kind isn't enough
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DJDK
07/16/03 3:49 AM GMT
How about changing host... How much Transfer/Space do u need? Any special features except for CGI (perl right?) Any other prefference Mhz & RAM & OS? Server location?

I've got some buds that has companies... I mite have a talk with them if you tell me ur prefferentes... mite cost less.. U never know mite help..
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Morat
07/16/03 8:01 AM GMT
I'd bet that Caedes must suck quite a bit of bandwidth. I have hosting at 1and1 which is pretty reasonable, but I don't think you get Perl support it's mostly PHP. 2gig space and 40gig transfer is 17 a month on the pro package.
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Joby
07/16/03 1:41 PM GMT
I think it's pretty crucial that the site be free. I came across it because a friend got a good wallpaper from here...pretty standard. What's important is that I joined up with almost no effort, and no cost. If there had been any sort of fee-based membership, I probably would have moved on. But after being here for awhile, I would happily donate $10 when it was needed.
I like the idea of the special title for those who donate, and the selling CD's idea sounds great, although a bit more involved than any of the other ideas.
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-Joby
_idol_
07/16/03 5:37 PM GMT
Adding to the icon idea, have like, donations levels, for example, $5 gets you a white star, $10 gets you a red star, $15 gets you a gold star and so on, and with each level you get more "voting leverage" as you put it and whatever other "powers" you decide to come up with. Call it like POWER LEVELS or something clever like that.
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c_786
07/16/03 5:50 PM GMT
I don't know how much profit this earns, but at Digital Blasphemy.com they sell posters. You could do something like that...? That'd be really cool, especially since your wallpapers are so good. But I do NOT like digitalblasphemy's membership.

I think donations would be possible, I mean, think of it this way: You've got 40,000 members, granted there are only about 700 +- active members. I don't think it would be that difficult to raise $1200 a YEAR for this site.

Just my thoughts
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+WinterNight
07/16/03 7:04 PM GMT
I would probably be interested in buying a poster/print of some of the pieces here. =)
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-WinterNight
*caedes
07/16/03 9:59 PM GMT
DJDK: Changing hosts would be a good idea except for the fact that I am my own host. The $100 is for caedes.net to have it's own dedicated server (with root access). This is about the best deal for dedicated hosting around. Also, a shared virtual hosting plan isn't viable because I've never seen one which gave you 100Gigs of bandwidth and 3gigs of diskspace for less than $100 a month, plus it wouldn't include root access.
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-caedes
tryppenjim
07/16/03 10:26 PM GMT
I usually dont comment in the forums but I'm on this site almost every day and really appreciate the work that all the big contributors (reddawg, winternight, djdk, crazy ivan, and of course the master himself Caedes) give to it. Like alot of the other members I joined in part because it was free, and probably would've just kept surfin if it wasnt, so if you needed it I'd gladly give a donation to keep the site free. Also I think the poster idea is really good, theres quite a few images on here that I'd love to have hanging on my wall and not just on a screen. Overall I really discurage the membership idea (the special title for donaters is good though), but I just wanted to let ya know caedes that if ya need the money I'm sure theres more than enough of us on here that would help out to keep it free. And keep up the good work everyone, I hope to be donated images soon!
-trypp
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Morat
07/17/03 10:43 AM GMT
If Caedes went down the poster printing route would each contributor have to specially mark images that they give permission to be used? I could imagine some users getting a little upset at the idea of the images they've submitted to a free site being used to generate income without their consent, even if it was to cover the site costs.
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DJDK
07/17/03 6:52 PM GMT
Yup... All great ideas.... Donation (with raking) with CDs and posters.... I say we give that a try... BUMBER STICKERS!!! lol hehe, that's not very popular tho... T-shirts, hats and pens :D lol
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+WinterNight
07/17/03 9:32 PM GMT
We can make a regular store, caedes-mart ;-)
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-WinterNight
*caedes
07/18/03 1:49 AM GMT
To elaborate on the poster idea. I was just thinking of allowing members to add a link to the site that they sell their posters at and then either getting affiliate $$$ from the links, or requiring a donation from the user that's selling the posters.
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-caedes
*caedes
07/18/03 1:56 AM GMT
So far I like the donations with extra benifits idea, so I'm starting a discussion on the board to get good ideas on the kind of benefits that we could offer for donating members. [link]
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-caedes
dumasscop
07/18/03 8:47 AM GMT
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seast
07/18/03 12:20 AM GMT
For what its worth, I myself would not mind at all, giving donations, or a membership fee, this is really a great site, and I would not want it to go away!!!
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jondeik
07/18/03 3:48 PM GMT
You could hold a special monthly or weekly contest that asks for a minimum of a $1 donation, and the winner would get a percentage of the proceeds, and the rest would go towards the site fund.
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reddawg151
07/18/03 4:04 PM GMT
hah, if there is excess revenue (which now, thinking on it, there would almost certainly be) other than keeping it for yourself, or rolling it over into the next month, some of it could be fronted up for the contests.
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jondeik
07/18/03 4:27 PM GMT
Yeah... or better yet, why don't you "rent" personal pages on your site, like Geocities or something? Just limit it so it doesn't take up too much web-space. Make everyone who wants a Caedes.net art-page pay $5 a month or something like that. And feature their pics in a main place on the index page
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jondeik
07/18/03 8:41 PM GMT
Okay here's another one-- offer a new sub-page called "Featured Links", instead of just "Links", and have small-business oriented websites advertise their sites on your site. Figure out a fee-per-month. A suggestion also, try more than one of these ideas, there's nothing wrong with trying all of the ones you like at once! I would have to agree with the popular vote that I enjoy the fact that this is free, though, of course ;)
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ozman88
07/20/03 8:19 AM GMT
hey caedes, i jst joiend today like a few other have mentioned, and again i would MUCH rather donate than sign up, heh heh, besides i know a lot of people who would hate to sign up for something just because it doesnt sound as good to join as a member than it does to simply donate to the site, soon as i get my lazy arse a job id glady donate 15 buckz a month granted my parents wouldnt mind(or know.. or find out.. or care... or...)
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phoenixashes
07/20/03 11:22 PM GMT
if we were to donate would we do a credit card thing or would we mail it to you or what. It might cost more to get a secure site but I dont know much about setting up websites and things of the sort so I think Im done here. Cheers.
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RinkyDinks_RJ
07/20/03 11:42 PM GMT
Well, here is my idea. When I used to play Diablo 2, I was a big fan of diabloii.net. However, when you wanted to visit their Marketplace, you had to click on an ad which would:
A) Take you to the marketplace. And.
B) Open up a popup ad.

You could implement this so that anytime someone logged on they would click this? Or you could do it for each time someone downloaded?

Anyways... Just an idea.
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fallstorm
07/21/03 5:13 AM GMT
It's not worth the trouble to go the advertising route. Banner ads have to be so big and obnoxious to satisify the advertisers they're ridiculous. Popups are blocked by just about every browser except IE *by default* (and there are many tools for IE to do so!). The sliding ads that pop up over the content you're trying to view (they use javascript/flash) are so annoying they've forced me away from some of my favorite sites.

So far, I like the donation idea with increased leverage the most. The poster idea is good too, as long as the artists gave permission. A flat-out membership fee isn't a good idea -- many potential members will pass on by. If you go the poster route, may I also suggest t-shirts?

I have two additional ideas that might be implemented for donating members: allow the display of website addresses on image pages for artists (i.e. pull that ability for everyone else), and/or give the artists 5mb or so and a subdomain to do what they like.

Anyway, let me say that I appreciate the site and the images I've gotten from it: this is definately the best site out there for backgrounds and also one of the best communities I've seen. I would have no trouble helping to foot the bill. :)
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DJDK
07/21/03 2:20 PM GMT
phoenixashes: I recommended caedes PayPal.com (Fast, easy, secure payment), PayPal is the most popular payment method on ebay, you pay thought the trusted and secure server of paypal (Latest Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)). PayPal can be for a donating button or any other payments...
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samarn
07/21/03 2:29 PM GMT
This is one of the best sites i have seen and i would not hesitate to give a small fee or pay for a membership to join. The best would be If it was possible to sell the pictures in some way. The only thing that could keep me from here is the cost. You now that $10 is over eight times that amout in Swedish kronor.

Anyway i would not hesitate to put all my picture here and use it as a market place. This is a great place.
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jondeik
07/21/03 8:39 PM GMT
Caedes, if you post an address on the website, I will advertise (by word of mouth), that you need money to support the site, in a tastefull way. I don't ask for any money in return. If everyone here who is with the site could voluntarily send out 10 flyers to friends, or speak to 10 people who we each know about the situation, I'm sure you'd get some money for the fund. If we did 5-10 a month, it may work!
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+tbob
07/22/03 5:54 PM GMT
So I guess your going to go with PayPal for donations or are you thinking something else?
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*caedes
07/22/03 6:44 PM GMT
Paypal looks like the best so far because i can easily automate the donations to have it automatically upgrade your account when you contribute.
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-caedes
DJDK
07/22/03 6:58 PM GMT
Yup.. Nothing to loose with paypal... (make sure the donation is over something like $0.20US, there's a small transaction fee)
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thejaedenbeast
07/23/03 8:09 PM GMT
So all together, the ideas were: Advertisements, Donations, Memberships, CDs, Posters, T-Shirts, and Paypal.. Isn't there ANYTHING else we can do? I mean advertisements and memberships are out of the picture. Many people seem to be willing to donate, but doubtfully would do this every month for years and years to come. CDs, Posters, and T-Shirts would work but who would buy them and would the profit be enough? Then Paypal, which brings up the whole donation thing, and Paypal is more of a one-time use thing.. You donate once you're done.. There has to be a better way than all of this, doesn't there?
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phoenixashes
07/23/03 11:06 PM GMT
Hmm I say that if you donate you can keep the "special privlidges" for a month and then if you dont donate the next month you lose them or somehting. (i think i spelled privledges wrong)
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*caedes
07/24/03 12:07 AM GMT
Yes, I'm thinking of making so that you are in the special group for one month for each ~$3 you donate.
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-caedes
simpelendidi
07/24/03 1:40 PM GMT
What about making a picture book and selling it on the site. Let's say you collect all images which are related to places all around the world. You ask the authors if you may use their images to suport the web and if they're interested in writing a little comment about their images. So you can make a book about the world with images from people over whole the world and their comment of their images.
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jondeik
07/24/03 4:24 PM GMT
Yeah that's kind of like my calender idea (not sure if I posted that).. that's actually a great idea. You could make multiple calanders with the images on this site also... you could even pay a commission to the artists. Just hold a special contest for the calander(s)!
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thejaedenbeast
07/25/03 4:18 AM GMT
I like both the calendar and the picture book idea, but where will we get the money to fund the supplies needed for it?
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simpelendidi
07/25/03 8:51 AM GMT
The book could be a problem. I study grafical design. But I'm not sure if I could handel it to make a whole book by my own. Then you'd still have to find someone who wants to print it for you.

The calendar would be easier. I know a dutch company who's develloped software you can download for free. Then all you have to do is drag images onto the calender pages, load it up and a few days later you get it in the mail. This software also lets you make photoalbums.

Even easier would be to find a local printing house that can help you.
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DJDK
07/25/03 2:47 PM GMT
Printing books cost alot... We had an order of 750 books (the more books you have less each books cost). A book with 125 pages about 10 page color and all the others B&W with hard cover cost $22 each... I don't know the cost of the calanders...

I have an idea... Ads, but not as advertisement form but as sponsors, under all the items on the menu at the left put a sponsors menu and you put the sponsors that gives more $ (4-5 sponsors), you also put see an "all sponsors" link and that goes to a page with all the sponsors, including the site members who donated.
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thejaedenbeast
07/25/03 7:11 PM GMT
Okay (*thoroughly confused after reading DJDK's "sponsors" segment*) Well, Calendars does sound like a good idea, but that doesn't give a cost for anything..
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DJDK
07/27/03 12:51 AM GMT
Sorry what part did you not unserstand? I'll re-explain :

Books cost alot to make so there's amost no profit. We made yearbooks for school (10 color page and about 125 black and white), they cost us $22 CAD each for 750 books (a total of $16500.00 CAD. So in other words there wouldn't be any profit if you would buy say 50 books with 10 color page that would be about $90 each (because they didn't print alot of copies) so you'd have to sell them for 100$ each to make some profit... Well that's the printing company we have.

My idea was to put under the menu at the left an Item called "Sponsors" some thing like this :

Sponsors
Sponsor 1
Sponsor 2
Sponsor 3
Sponsor 4
All sponsors

And when you click on "all sponsors" you get more sponsors including the membres from this site that donated...
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thejaedenbeast
07/28/03 1:46 AM GMT
Ahh, I see now! Thanks for clarifying that up!
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Twisted_Warrior_X
07/29/03 12:33 AM GMT
I've got an idea for spreading the news at caedes.net to get the people to know how important this matter is. I say we make advertizements on this site only made by us, and designed by us ( E-Z!!!!!) that tell the users and visitors that we need ideas to keep the site running by it's own. I'm sure that caedes will agree that we need more ideas than what we are told here. By sending E-mails to the administrator to give him ideas. You never know!!! We might have too much money!!! We should all agree that the profits should go to caedes and caedes alone. And, if we want to make this site even more popular than it was before, we can make the best designed advertizements for more ideas and $$$. And if we go even further, we may be able to make advertizements for other companies to bring in truckloads of it. Making it a never ending cycle of more $ and more popularity. I've seen on TECKTV the best wallpaper sites in the world at the moment. And I have to say it... WE ARE NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 20 AND THIS IS THE BEST SITE I'VE EVER SEEN FOR WALLPAPERS!!! P.S: I completely agree with Pat's (DJDK's) idea. You should agree with him; being a webmaster himself and a good friend. P.P.S: I'm sure caedes can handle money as good as his fanmail.
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Twisted_Warrior_X
07/29/03 12:49 AM GMT
Oh... and tryppenjim, we pay for respect with the wallpapers we make :-D. I'm sure that ppigeon, samarn, CrazyIvan, Unknown, cc_Beowulf, tbob, Yenom, NASA, Liam_ak michelfr, reddawg151, Saily, bazerkero1, bunyip, DigitalFX, DJDK, ladyturtle27, dewmyst, whozurdoggy, mayne, xentrik, seast, WinterNight, Precurser, Nicky, ekwynn, trisweb, rmtron, donnydoofus1, peapod, ricktassoni2, Lee Skinner, neilbakker, ReAder, foo, Turelio, Frux, neilsaunders, StLjim07, Morat, Joby, xdreamzz, bbodien, camerahound, ecologito, Frelu, Myself (of course) and caedes all have the respect they deserve to put pictures on this site for free.

P.S: Don't forget me in the list next time ok ;)



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thejaedenbeast
07/30/03 2:28 AM GMT
I agree with TWX's idea for creating advertisements, we have more than enough talent on this site to do such things.
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ekwynn
07/31/03 8:11 PM GMT
I'd be happy to pay for a Premium Membership to this website. It's absurd for people to think that a site which offers us a forum for our photography and discussions should be "free." It's Old Internet thinking (everything should be free because, hey, dude, it's like the Internet, y'know?). As far as people being "absent" in that case, there are other sites where they can go. Of course none is as good as this one where even someone with my minimal talent is allowed space to show my work. I would be happy to pay a fee for that privilege.
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ekw
+ppigeon
08/03/03 10:19 AM GMT
I have just read all this discussion to my return of vacancy.
I think that all good picture amateurs won't hesitate to pay a (modest) sum for this marvelous site
But how to organize it? Credit cards?
On 750 regular users there will be well 100 that will give 1$ per month (of which me) and the idea of the icon is brilliant.
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DJDK
08/03/03 3:40 PM GMT
Hey... Nice thinkin ppigeon... making calculations :D... ask $1.50 per month lol.... for 100 users instead of getting $100 per month u'll get $150 :D lol ... anyways... Ppigeon... The answer to your question... PAYPAL!!! lol... but you could also put something like 2checkout (2checkout.com cost more then paypal) like that if users don't like paypal they can choose 2checkout.com
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Deziner
08/05/03 5:59 AM GMT
Did anyone actually read every single one of these comments ? I did. A hundred bucks a month is small potatoes to me. Jeez...I'd pay the whole damn thing. I like Caedes.
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tbhockey
08/05/03 6:18 PM GMT
hey, go ahead =D
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-tbhockey
*caedes
08/05/03 11:52 PM GMT
I like Deziner =D
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-caedes
ekwynn
08/05/03 11:57 PM GMT
It seems that from the entries to this discussion most of us are willing to contribute some nominal fee for premium or donator-style memberships. Paypal would be the way to go, I think.
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ekw
DJDK
08/06/03 10:08 PM GMT
Caedes.... Go ahead.... Put memberships... If peepl are not willing to pay it well they'll just miss it and come back anyways lol....


Ps: I'm not willing to pay but that's what u gatta do... If you don't wanna do the sponsor thing and if you think a "store" is too much trouble....

Small (Size of a sheet of paper but proffessionnally printed on photo paper) posters would be great... of even large ones....
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spncram
08/07/03 4:55 AM GMT
--- This is posted twice--- someone should delete it...
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spncram
08/07/03 5:00 AM GMT
I like the idea of badges the best and the donations are a good idea too. Memberships will cause less people to come to the site. I wouldn't have paid when I frist joined. However, now, I would love to make a contribution. I looked online for ideas of ways to fund the site, but I couldn't find any ideas that were not already stated. One thing that bothers me is that when I search for "desktop wallpaper" or something similar caedes.net is either not listed or far down the list... which I don't understand because it is one of the best sites.

If badges for donating were put in place I believe there would have to be a limited to how long you kept the badges (like in 6 months or a year you have to renew the badge...).

If you have membership then somehow you have to get the site advertised more. I put a link on my page... but only my friends go to that one. :)

Also, it may seem kind of odd, but someone mentioned bumber stickers... I would actually buy one. I'm not sure how many other people would, but I would want one. A high school band in my town odered bumber stickers and sold them, so I don't think they would be very expensive...

Anyway... Good luck on getting funding. I love this site and would miss it greatly if it shut down! Maybe you should take Deziner up on his offer. :)

(ps. sorry if this is posted twice. I pressed 'post comment' and then 'stop' on the bar... And sorry if I don't make sense... I am tired. )
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tbhockey
08/07/03 11:48 AM GMT
I'm with DJDK...I would be glad to pay..but i barley have enough money to put up my own website..but if u gotta do the donor thing, then u gotta do it...But I wouild just be careful (as i said before somwhere on this website) not to let this website become like others..ads, fee's, un-interactiveness, not-easy-to-upload, etc...
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-tbhockey
phoenixashes
08/08/03 2:07 AM GMT
bumper stickers wouldnt be to bad of an idea i would love to have one if only i had a car.... but i guess there are other places you could stick them ;)
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+ppigeon
08/08/03 2:07 PM GMT
Who can explain to me what is Paypal???
Do'nt forget Caedes is not only an american site... :-)
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whozurdoggy
08/08/03 9:47 PM GMT
ppigeon: paypal is a website used for money transactions via the internet, u set up a paypal account, deposit money via credit card, then send money to other ppls paypal account, in this case caedes

anyways..... as a long time member of caedes (my using this site here has spanned FAR longer than this account) and i would be VERY willing to pay 1$ a month to keep this site alive. i also recommend that if donations or membership (or both) could not sustain the fee, then maybe add a small (20cent?) fee to adding a wallpaper, it would cut down on bad wallpapers (there arent many on this site) and you could have evry1 pay theyre upload fees at the end of the month with their membership fee.........its an idea
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tbhockey
08/09/03 3:15 PM GMT
well, i really wouldn't mind that very much, but im not old enough to have all these paypal accounts and stuff, and neither are other people that make fairly decent pictures...
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Deziner
08/10/03 11:56 PM GMT
Sure..I'll pay the amount or pitch in. Don't matter to me. I got a hundred bucks in my pocket right now and nothing to spend it on. As long as Caedes is putting out top notch stuff, I'm in. Let me know what I can do...who to contact...how to pay...where I can get a decent breakfast, and all that. Later !
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