Caedes

Web Design Contest

Submitted by caedes 03/14/04 11:54 PM GMT

Announcing the first caedes.net web-design contest: Designing a new look for caedes.net! Anyone with experience using a graphics program like Photoshop is able to enter, no HTML coding needed. The winner will have his/her webdesign work featured as the default skin for caedes.net and receive a membership in the Caedes Cadre for as long as the design is in use. If the designer wishes, his/her website will be linked on the bottom of every page along with suitable attribution text. This would be a great source of referrals for those budding web designers out there. The contest will last until an acceptable design is found. Have your work viewed by millions!

Sure, caedes could probably hack together a design for the site, but a contest is much more fun. Plus, this is another great way for the site to be steered by it's community. All you need to do is create a picture of the design. You don't have to code it up in HTML (caedes can do that monkey work for you). This means that practically every member of the site can enter. Feel free to use the caedes.net "spider" logo in the design and to take ideas from the existing website. Ideally the design should be non-specific and not too graphics heavy, however don't be afraid to make something original. Just upload you designs to the new "Site Design" gallery.

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*caedes
03/14/04 11:54 PM GMT
A good resource to use is the Lipsum Generator
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-caedes
Chamaelon
03/14/04 11:59 PM GMT
Sounds like a great idea, though would a user of the site be able to choose his/her own skin?
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nil magnum nisi bonum
SamGerdt
03/15/04 1:39 AM GMT
CAEDES I LOVE YOU!

Finally a contest that I can win! I'll have you a good one in a few days :)
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
::reddawg151
03/15/04 1:43 AM GMT
so want you want to see is like the layout for the mainpage, with the menu and just general layout? not like one file for bg, one for banner, etc etc?
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~Bob
SamGerdt
03/15/04 1:59 AM GMT
im pretty sure thats what he wants...just one big graphic.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
SamGerdt
03/15/04 3:04 AM GMT
BTW - does the 2 entry limit apply to this contest?
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+Samatar
03/15/04 3:29 AM GMT
I don't think the normal rules apply to this one.
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
SamGerdt
03/15/04 3:30 AM GMT
good.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
::trisweb
03/15/04 5:49 AM GMT
As far as skinning goes, I highly reccomend using CSS for the design, thus separating the design from the content, and allowing switching of different designs and easy re-design of the entire site. See http://www.csszengarden.com for an amazing example of this method. This is the future of web design as I see it. :) I also know CSS and design very well (my web site being no example... it's 2 years old), so if you need any help I'm available in the summer. :) Good luck! I would submit some designs, but I'm balancing several projects and school at the moment. If I have some time, though, definately.
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+Samatar
03/15/04 6:59 AM GMT
So if this CSS thing was used would that allow people to choose skins as Chamaelon mentioned above? And new skins could be added as time progressed?
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
SamGerdt
03/15/04 11:44 AM GMT
It's a good idea, but a litlle unnecessary. Skins are useful when u want the focus to be on the layout. Caedes doesn't want that.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
::grimbug
03/15/04 4:12 PM GMT
great stuff.. i have very little talent in webpage construction.. ( i've managed to use dreamweaver to make a fairly complexe website ... but only just :D ) so its great news that all we have to do is illustrate the design in an image... ive got cracking away at it already :D much fun :D
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- "I dont have my own opinions, i just get them from the huge sums of cash i recieve"
PuMa
03/15/04 4:50 PM GMT
I don't think I'll join the contest, never done that before..
but actually.. once is the first time... of everything..
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Nobody's Perfect, And I'm nobody :p
::Piner
03/15/04 4:55 PM GMT
Here is my two cents worth....
Honestly, I like the way Caedes looks now, it is easy on the eyes, no clutter, pages load fast, it's easy to navigate. I do think the skins suggestion has merit, if Caedes goes that route, a "Classic" skin should be available. I am looking forward to seeing everyone's ideas of what Caedes.net could look like. :c)
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
+ppigeon
03/15/04 4:59 PM GMT
Mmmmh... Agree with you, Piner. But I'm waiting to see what will be in 'site design' gallery before doing my real opinion... ;-)
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"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent" (I. Asimov)
O_o
03/15/04 5:18 PM GMT
i wouldn't know how to start with this..? just from scratch in ps??
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O_o o_O
*caedes
03/15/04 5:24 PM GMT
The site already has the built-in capability to switch skins. I've just not made a link to the controls because there is currently only one skin.

I am probably going to move to a CSS-based skin format, however the current method uses plain old dumb HTML transitional. Watch out triweb, I might have to take you up on your offer. I started webdesign a while before CSS became useful, so it isn't my strong point.
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-caedes
cemkarahan
03/15/04 7:30 PM GMT
This is the thing i have been thinking of a while ago;it would be very nice to have the "nice old man" in new suits.As long as his charecter does not change.İ'm in !
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-Pick a goal and care about the place you are at- Cem Karahan
El_Padrino
03/15/04 7:31 PM GMT
Sam Gerd, you seem very confident about your success in this competition. I have looked at your website and it seems you have a fair amount of knowledge in webdesign and are going well. You shouldn't be too confident though because you may have the likes of any Renegade Designers or me entering, who runs a professional web/graphic design firm. Checkit if you don't believe me at http://www.renegadedesign.co.uk
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::reddawg151
03/15/04 7:41 PM GMT
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~Bob
cemkarahan
03/15/04 8:09 PM GMT
Caedes wrote above in the passage; "The contest will last until an acceptable design is found."
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-Pick a goal and care about the place you are at- Cem Karahan
cemkarahan
03/15/04 8:21 PM GMT
İ think caedes is not only about competing,its mainly about bringing out the "company feeling" using the ART headline in a competitive soul to bring out the more qualified work.
So,we all can have the Artistic Community that everyone can attend.
And i am sure everybody would like to see you and everyone in the contest.Which i wish that someone here makes something which i can vote 10 and the competition starts at this point;i will work and think a minute more before posting it to be voted 10 also. :)
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-Pick a goal and care about the place you are at- Cem Karahan
::trisweb
03/15/04 9:04 PM GMT
Good point Cem, it's a community effort and shouldn't be ruthlessly competitive in any respect. I also agree that the general feel of the site should stay relatively similar.

Caedes, I am happy to help, but after school is over ;-) If you need help sooner, I can give what time I can. And if you want a great tutorial on CSS (or anything else for that matter), see http://academ.hvcc.edu/~kantopet/css/.
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SamGerdt
03/15/04 9:53 PM GMT
i agree it will be a fierce competition, i was simply stating that unlike a desktop contest, i have a chace in something like this.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
::alzco
03/15/04 10:21 PM GMT
This sounds intruiging. Agree with trisweb, CSS is definately the way to go as it cuts down on the page load, useful considering the pages are already heavy with gfx, and could be moreso if any of the designs are heavily graphic-based.
Will be interesting to see the results.
Am just curious as to how the switching of skins idea would work if the skins are radically different in design i.e. the navigation being along the top, content areas at different proportions etc. Curious.
Caedes, I too offer assistance with CSS if you need it. I'm not a novice and can point you to many a good resource. Am sure you could pick up what you needed in no time.
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Hey, I'm the visionary, you come up with the nuts and bolts.
*caedes
03/15/04 11:38 PM GMT
I've designed the skins as an integral part of the content management system. This allows them to totally modify the look, format, layout of the site. Just ask any of the oldschool members who remember the "my first AOL homepage" skin.
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-caedes
prismmagic
03/16/04 12:53 AM GMT
I Have been learning to do web design lately do to the fact that I do graphics for web masters. I also am tackeling Flash and dream weaver. But what I'd like to see is the site open up the Caedes spider crawlimg around the opening page. I know this draine resouces but I realy think it would be cool for the site.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
=xentrik
03/16/04 12:58 AM GMT
In response to caedes: I still have nightmares of the lips! Oh my God, the lips won't leave me alone!

Speaking of which, April's right around the corner, any ideas? ;)
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prismmagic
03/16/04 1:10 AM GMT
What Lips" Mike What Lips"
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Clayton H. Bramlett
::bigjon
03/16/04 1:16 AM GMT
were can we get the spider? or do we need to make our on?
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SamGerdt
03/16/04 1:27 AM GMT
i just downloaded the background from the site and took it from that.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
::bigjon
03/16/04 1:28 AM GMT
thanks
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SamGerdt
03/16/04 1:30 AM GMT
just wonderin caedes - u gonna give us some advice on our images? urs is the only opinion that counts, and i'm anxious to see what u think about some of the designs so far.

A couple other peeps have impressed me w/ some of their stuff.
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
number7
03/16/04 1:51 AM GMT
What a huge contest. This is a great idea in my opinion. Too bad I haven't got much free time lately. I am looking forward to seeing the entries.
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-- A one that is not cold is scarcely a one at all. - Strong Bad --
prismmagic
03/16/04 1:58 AM GMT
Use The spaider from the new poster. I'm thinking about giving it atry.
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Clayton H. Bramlett
::bigjon
03/16/04 2:12 AM GMT
well i am goin to leave this on to the experts. so good luck everyone.
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::Piner
03/16/04 4:50 AM GMT
Ok, so the web design contest is going to be an ongoing thing.... but what about the regular contest that is due?
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
*caedes
03/16/04 6:01 PM GMT
The mods wanted a breather of a month or so until the next image contest.

I'll be leaving comments on all the designs submitted, I just don't have time today, maybe this weekend.
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-caedes
::Piner
03/16/04 6:36 PM GMT
Cool, I can't blame them for needing a break, though if we had more ImageMods.... ;c)
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The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from an artist is to make him ruin his work. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - 1832)
::nontoxicday
03/16/04 8:14 PM GMT
I, too, am stepping out of this one. I've got scholarships, speechs, and sleep to get done, so someone else can do something great. lol Good luck everyone. This will be very interesting.
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SamGerdt
03/19/04 6:08 PM GMT
any idea how long ul wait to decide a winning design, caedes?
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*caedes
03/20/04 1:19 AM GMT
I'm planning on waiting until I find a design that I want to use and then giving all the other contestant a week or two to get their final versions in.
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-caedes
nightcrawler1089
03/25/04 10:29 PM GMT
Caedes (or anyone else who knows)- what size (width*height in pixels) do you want the entries to be? Also, for anyone who has suggestions, do you know a good book or (non time-consuming) website where I can learn more about, and how to use, CSS? I'm pretty good at web design, so it doesn't have to be at the complete beginner's level. Thanks!
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For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)
*caedes
03/26/04 2:24 PM GMT
I'd suggest staying within 1024 horizontal pixels for the main page. Sorry I can't help with the CSS though.
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-caedes
brasiu69
03/28/04 9:43 AM GMT
I really like this actually style site Caedes.Only a few of optional add as the next uploading timer and a detailed list of the votes user for each photo it will be great and professional too
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nightcrawler1089
04/02/04 2:35 AM GMT
caedes- I messed up. I did mine in 1024 * 1024. Should I just submit that? I redid it in 1024 * 768, but it no longer looks right. Ugghhhh :-)
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For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)
*caedes
04/02/04 4:24 AM GMT
Just put a border on the side to make it 1280x1024. It will look fine.
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-caedes
SamGerdt
04/02/04 11:06 PM GMT
u sure are waiting this one out caedes!

seriously, Low-key Caedes Design, CaedesN2.1, or CaedesN3 would be my picks. Ud have trouble paying someone to create something better than those.
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rustectrum03
04/04/04 9:34 PM GMT
i don't think this is going to be one of those contests in which originality is going to be the biggest factor...or even that there will be 1 distinct winner to this contest...i think that if someone could sum those designs which are already made for the contest with a few fixes will probably be the site winner...
i think it would be a good idea for us the users to lay out which ones we think are good (by going beyond just voting) to let them know which ones to go for... currently M2.1, N2.1 and caedes1 are my faves...so web designers...have at it :) gl
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-->"Art is creative flux through the human mind"
SamGerdt
04/04/04 11:56 PM GMT
ahh...but this is where the web designer triumphs over the graphics designer. M2.1 is a horrible layout simply because it can't easily be split up into a web site. the others are good, especially n2.1, but not the best for caedes. What the members think is pretty shouldn't really matter, IMO, because the focus isn't the layout.

When I look at a layout, I don't look at it thru the eye of a graphics designer, I look at it thru the eye of a web designer. Most of the designs thusfar are impossibilities, simply because they are not built to contain the amount of content that caedes.net displays. Sure some (and I use the term loosly) of them look nice, but I've only noticed maybe 5 final products that would even work. Then you have to take those 5 and pick one, kinda makes it hard, doesn't it?
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Remember first impressions - they only happen once.
Shiznet
04/05/04 12:43 AM GMT
do you have to make the caedes logo or can you get that somewhere?
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You only live once take it to the extreme -_- ^(_)^ Shiznet ^(_)^
*caedes
04/05/04 1:01 AM GMT
I'm probably going to weed out the designs which have no chance of being used. This will hopefully give everyone an idea about which direction to go and give the designers an idea about their products so far.

Shiznet: I have an ilustrator file of the spider logo that I can post. I'll have to find it on my home computer though.
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-caedes
Shiznet
04/05/04 1:16 AM GMT
Ok thank you .... i been busy havent been able to make much been working on my own site ill try to remember to look here .....
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You only live once take it to the extreme -_- ^(_)^ Shiznet ^(_)^
rustectrum03
04/05/04 1:27 AM GMT
yeah i'm just talking from a graphical perspective...but if the designers know about what the rest of caedes tastes are then the task is much easier for whenever you are to make it more efficient and workable...i'm certainly not thinking of any of them as final products...just ideas to be thrown around...

that being said i feel the final image should be the sum of all the trials somehow...although that's probably a bit impractical.
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-->"Art is creative flux through the human mind"
*caedes
04/07/04 2:41 AM GMT
If you'd like to use the official caedes spider logo in the design you can download it here. Thanks to Piner for emailing it to me since I probably never would have gotten it off my old computer. =)
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-caedes
::kjh000
04/07/04 7:59 AM GMT
Thank you Caedes. :) I was just talking to my wife about that I needed the original file to get rid of the white background in the spider. I'm thinking about reworking my submission with a slightly different color scheme than white in the bg. It would have been too much work to clean up the gif I got from the sites bg and it would never have been good enough to work with anyway. I'm currently renovating an apartment so I will not be able to get back on track with this design contest for another week or so but I'll make another try then. I only hope it's not too late then...

Cheers,
Klas
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+Samatar
04/10/04 5:13 AM GMT
I just noticed the "Finalist" gallery. Is this what you were reffering to when you were talking about weeding out the designs that won't be used?
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-Everyone is entitled to my opinion-
::kjh000
04/10/04 11:00 PM GMT
Darn... ^_^ You picked the (2/3) view of my design. It's considerable worse rated than the (3/3) view I made. Oh well, it's not all about c-index I guess. =)
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::grimbug
04/12/04 12:50 AM GMT
... so we now have a finalist gallery.. whats next.. are we still uploading more designs? and what sort of time limit do we have now?
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- "I dont have my own opinions, i just get them from the huge sums of cash i recieve"
Crusader
04/12/04 6:13 PM GMT
Good question grimbug! I'd also like to know what the next stage would be.
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::trisweb
04/15/04 12:51 AM GMT
In my humble opinion, the current design still surpasses any of the submissions, except maybe for Cem's. I say keep trying. Caedes said "I'm planning on waiting until I find a design that I want to use." I don't think he's found it yet, if you know what I mean.
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*caedes
04/15/04 3:25 AM GMT
I've put some of the better designs into the "finallist" gallery just to give everyone an idea of the direction I'm leaning in, and to keep the better designs from getting lost in the shuffle. Trisweb is correct that I haven't yet found a design which is perfect, however I have seen many which are close and just need some refinement. I've also received many great ideas concerning the user interface that I think should be implemented into any new design that we decide on.
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-caedes
rustectrum03
04/15/04 4:54 AM GMT
one add in i would like to see that very few people have implemented is a subtitle off caedes(.net) title saying something like 'Desktop Wallpapers and Art Community'. I know it's a small thing, but i think it's important for some reason or another.
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-->"Art is creative flux through the human mind"
rustectrum03
04/16/04 7:52 AM GMT
oh and this "finalist" gallery is still a can be added onto type(by you of course)...in other words you're just trying to push us in a direction. Right?
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-->"Art is creative flux through the human mind"
::TRACYJTZ
04/16/04 9:33 PM GMT
Caedes - would you like for the finalists to correct the imperfections and re-submit? Or is this something that you will do once you have chosen the layout that you prefer? I'm not sure how this works - I've never done web-design before. Thanks! :D
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*caedes
04/17/04 4:09 AM GMT
rust: correct

tracy: I will probably have to rework the design to get it into html format anyway, so such tweaking is probably unavoidable.

If any of the current designs were so good that only a small tweak was nessesary, then we'd already have winners. =)
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-caedes
Crusader
04/17/04 7:47 AM GMT
How about commenting on the designs to show where the tweaking is needed. My new versions are somewhat tweaked, but I don't know what to do further.
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*caedes
04/17/04 7:54 AM GMT
I started doing that with the first 40 or so designs. It takes some time though. I'll see about doing a bit more.
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-caedes
Crusader
04/17/04 9:41 AM GMT
OK, thanks. I definitely don't have any idea on what more to do.
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+Samatar
05/11/04 2:32 AM GMT
I want to thin out my images a bit so am going to delete all my entries except the one in the finalist gallery, is that OK?
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