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If M$ made cars...

.akashastrega
04/16/06 6:28 PM GMT
For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way
computers have enhanced our lives, read on.

At COMDEX recently, Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer
industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with the
technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00
cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release
stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be
driving cars with the following characteristics:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to
buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You
would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the
windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you
could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause
your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would
have to reinstall the engine.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was
reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would run on
only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would
all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation"
warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you
out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door
handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to
learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would
operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. Oh yeah, and last but not least . . . you'd have to press the
"Start" button to turn the engine off
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::philcUK
04/16/06 6:30 PM GMT
seams about right :-)
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.scionlord
04/16/06 6:34 PM GMT
That doesn't count the engine occasionally exploding for no apparent reason.
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.KEIFER
04/16/06 6:38 PM GMT
Jenn ??? .. what are you doing? .. don't fan the flames
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.timw4mail
04/16/06 6:43 PM GMT
I've always know Macs were better...
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.akashastrega
04/16/06 6:43 PM GMT
sorry Keith...your beanie makes enough wind to do that! ;-)
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::philcUK
04/16/06 7:10 PM GMT
It’s nearly as bad as Bill’s triumphant Origami (UMPC) launch speech when he confidently declared that these products were ‘killer’ technology that would decimate sales of both Apple’s iPod and Sony’s PSP – except, that is, for a few small mitigating factors that may hamper its world domination ambitions…

# It’s between three and four hundred percent more expensive to buy than either the Apple or Sony products

# It’s more than 600% heavier than the bulkiest Apple or Sony product

# it has a chronic battery life which is twenty times shorter than an iPod and ten times shorter than a PSP making it barely possible to play a complete music album on it on battery power let alone watch a movie or play a heavy gaming session….

# the Origami uses the Intel Celeron 915GMS chipset which, if you were being charitable, would struggle to compete graphically with hardware lifted from the PS2 so only hour long games of low graphical intensity welcome I’m afraid….

# Both Sony Vaio and JVC already make full blown Pentium powered micro notebooks lighter and more powerful than any of the Origami products…

SO yes Bill, thanks for another ‘killer’ MS product, now get yo’heed out of your arse, stop listening to your own PR department and yes men and get the house in order…..
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.animaniactoo
04/18/06 1:56 AM GMT
This is the response you get when you find things like this funny & send them around in my family:


MY DAD This is VERY old…back from before we knew that GM was a dinosaur on the verge of extinction…

Some items bear separate commentary…



MY SISTER Actually, I believe that Gates never made that quote. This email arises as a take-off on a quote from a legitimate article (which I have READ, so it doesn't exist only in urban legend -- although I have no guarantee that the quote originated there), which compared the rate of progress in the computer and car industries, but did so without implying a lack of effort on the part of car industries.

Other items bear commentary on the commentary.



DAD RE-REPLYING I'm not sure I've fallen into the "logical inconsistencies of the original writer," but I also never claimed to be making a reasoned reply. However, I will now rant on a bit about some of the rant that answered my rant…this is ALMOST fun.

Warning…I will not respond again because a) I don't have any more time, and b) I fear falling into total cantankerousness…

Love to all…


SISTER RE-REPLYING I also am running out time (and possibly I should fear total cantankerousness)

but I'll send one last round, because I hate to be improperly interpreted even if it's my fault.


At COMDEX recently, Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

Well, no. Your old car would still run, same as it did before. Of course, you might be impatient to try some of the new features, like anti-lock brakes, airbags, air conditioning, automatic transmission, power windows, etc. And for that you would have to buy a new car. Otherwise, you can keep on driving your Model T…no one's forcing you except your desire to move on. Or did you think they should have stopped innovation after version 1.0?

Actually, the better analogy is that the every time they changed the speed limit, you would have to buy a new car which could be safely driven at the prevailing speed of the road.

You'll have to explain to me why your analogy is better than mine. First, the original comment was about repainting lines, not a change in speed limit. If speed limit were the issue, you might indeed have to take your Model T off the road. But it wasn't speed limit, so my analogy remains the better response to the original comment.

I meant that analogy was a better analogy than the original one, not than yours. Sorry, my bad.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

Hey, this sounds like the first year's worth of the BMW 7-series with the computerized controls…not even the radio works!

And this makes it acceptable? Just because the car is just as bad doesn't mean either is good.

No, of course not acceptable. It's a scandal that those cars have not been recalled. Of course, you are implying that the complaint about the OS is valid, which I don't especially accept.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

Hey, no…in Windows you fix things by re-booting or updating drivers. It's MAC OS that has to be reloaded from scratch

I might regard this as more of a drawback if Macs crashed as often as Windows boxes do. But since most of the Macs I know of (and use) run for periods measured in MONTHS without crashing, and the max I see in most Windows machines is less than two weeks on average (and frequently less than one week), I suspect that the total amount of work involved is roughly equivalent, especially since reloading MacOS is only necessary in a very small percentage of crashes.

I just logged on to my computer at work and confirmed my memory; it was rebooted in February as part of a software installation, and before that in November. I know that's better than average (and a little better than at home), but properly-configured machines with enough memory do well. A major issue is that people get used to opening lots of windows without enough memory to sustain; it's true that OS and software publishers underestimate how much memory is needed. I'll defer to (Cat) for an answer about Macs in comparable (commercial shop, serious office, etc.) service.


This comment applies to (4) also as they reference the same issue ... this may be your experience, but it is not mine, nor that of the majority of users I know. It may be due to the problems of windows w/o memory as you cite, but if that's true then a basic configuration should include a proper amount of memory standard, not require you to upgrade.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five percent of the roads.

No, Macintosh would—and does—make the most stylish and least reliable MP3 player on the road, with the worst warranty—and it's amazingly successful even though it won't play most of the music you already own.

My IPOD plays all the music I already own, and I have no issues with reliability. I am not sure where you are seeing your reliability figures, but I did a fair amount of research both in trade magazine reviews and in user reviews before buying it, and I didn't see that it was significantly less reliable than any other COMPARABLE option. I admit that Itunes can sometimes be annoying with respect to copyright ownership etc., but this appears due to clunky restrictions imposed from outside. And while I agree that Apple doesn't have all the answers either, comparing their side-market product does not address the analogy being made.

OK…I can't find the article I was relying on that dealt with Ipod reliability and Apple's warranty issues…maybe later. The "clunky restrictions imposed from outside" do not appear to have been imposed on other company's players…certainly not in that degree. But to call IPod and ITunes "side market product" simply does not reflect the state of Apple today. That's where it makes the money that keeps the rest alive the past while.

The clunky issue that I am referring to is specifically the need to have anything in your itunes library which you have ordered from itunes "authorized" in order to download it to your ipod, and this is a function of itunes' need to make an attempt to enforce copyright restrictions. I am not familiar with how other companies apply these restrictions, but I can't imagine that they do a better job -- not perhaps the same bad job, but I don't see a way to do a good one. However, while I see the point that you are trying to make (Apple has not successfully maintained a business selling computers) I still hold that this is like comparing the performance of Microsoft's disk drives (not I think that they make any) or software to the computers it makes now, and does not support or respond to the original analogy.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

And if that were true, would it be any worse than GM's "idiot lights" that tell you you have a problem—but not until it's too late to stop and prevent it? At least Windows warns you when resources are running low or a conflict has occurred.

I don't know about your car, but in mine, the low-gas light comes on before I run out of gas, the engine temperature gauge creeps out of "normal" before it gets to "red", and the brake light comes on when the brakes begin to lose pressure, even if they haven't yet failed. It's true that I cannot prevent my gas from being utilized, my engine from overheating in unfriendly conditions, or my brake lines from springing a slow leak, but none of the cases when these lights have come in my car have resulted in catastrophic, long-term damage, largely because they warned me about the problem in time to do something about it. While the oil, water temp, and alternator lights specifically referred to here may (unlike the others) require that you stop driving immediately in order to address the problem, it is still true that if you heed the lights you will be preventing catastrophic damage.

Hello…may I remind you that neither of us is driving a GM car, nor one with "idiot lights?" Not every light is an idiot light, and no gauge is an idiot light.

OK. My apologies.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

The correct analogy would be that it would ask that question when you were about to open the door at 75 mph or turn off the engine in the middle of the street. Windows is asking Are You Sure before you delete or close without saving. Say thanks to Uncle Bill…if you don't you deserve to lose ALL your work.

I agree. This kind of failsafe was implemented in UNIX programs long before it appeared in Windows. It's not new, or interesting, or a drawback. It's also usually a function of the programs being run under the operating system, not the operating system itself.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

If you can figure out how you got simultaneously locked in AND locked out (see text), I will listen to your whining. Otherwise…keep working.

9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again, because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

Well, gee…that was the genius of Windows and Mac from the start. As a 25-year personal computer user, I can tell you stories of the days when EVERY software publisher invented a new shape for the wheel. Worse…WordStar on Osborn CPM wouldn't run on Columbia CPM, etc. Not even the same OS was standardized from machine to machine. Sorry, buddy…this is one of the stupidest complaints in the list.

10. Oh yeah, and last but not least . . . you'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off

Have you totally run out of childish rants and whines? OK, good. Now click the Start button. Did your computer power off? No, it didn't. Not until you clicked on the Shut Down button. Now, please click on the shut down button, clean up the mess you made in Mommy's office, wash your hands and come to the table.

I agree that a large number of items on this list are poor analogies, imply negatives to a function which is actually a positive, or are otherwise generally so inconsistent as to not even retain humor value in an attempt to trash Windows. But I think the credibility of your rebuttal would be better served by not falling into the same logical inconsistencies as the original writer.
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.akashastrega
04/18/06 2:24 AM GMT
OMFG...Cat did they REALLY send these comments to you???? Too funny!!!!
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.animaniactoo
04/18/06 2:43 AM GMT
Yes… I have decided the better part of valor is not to reply to them and add to the insanity…

and when Dad says 25 year computer user? Well… we started out on that old gem, the Commodore 64… all 3 of us have worked in the type industry, and used the Quadex/Compugraphic 8400 system (where you had to write in code to set type), and while my sister and I are more comfortable in the Mac environment than dad is, we've all worked both Mac & PC platforms.
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.akashastrega
04/18/06 3:17 AM GMT
I sent a funny to my mom once...and she did like your family and picked it apart...so I was like WTF...I haven't sent her another funny since!!!
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purmusic
04/19/06 4:49 AM GMT
Uhm ... Cat? Wanna add an underlined commentary to your above prior post?

Lemme me know.

Oh yeah, and my family is greatttttt fun, too, when it comes to Pictionary.
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.animaniactoo
04/19/06 11:44 AM GMT
alright, added. only cuz ya asked 8•P
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+Samatar
04/19/06 12:24 AM GMT
Cat... send them a copy of the "What are we doing about it thread"... please?!? Just to see the response?? I mean, if they get that worked up about a joke!!!
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.animaniactoo
04/19/06 3:49 PM GMT
um… are you trying to make my head hurt? I'll consider it…

In their defense I should mention the entire family is a bunch of goofballs. They just have um… hmm… their little idiosyncracies from time to time? I think that store named "Zany Brainy" stole the family motto 8•P
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purmusic
04/19/06 5:16 PM GMT
Lol.

Hmm, the point I was trying to make, somewhat facetiously, was this ... you would have had to have added an underlined commentary to make way for the views my family would have made in that ongoing ... point/counter-point discussion.

Oh ya, they' re crazy (my family that is) ... and goofballs like me. The difference? They know they are to varying degrees. Me? ... well, I have noooo problems whatsoever.

And as an exercise for your collective minds, imagine this scenario ... the word that comes up in Pictionary is this ... "magnify." Me and my brother against the others. Here is an excerpt of the dialogue as the timer runs down. Me - italicized, my brother - bolded.

Uhm, I am not getting it bro. (Screams of distractions are heard coming from the other side; "Ohhh, what's amatta ... Mr. Visual? We can clearly see that this is the definitive clue!!" ... more taunts along the way.)

Loooook at it!!! My god ... Looook at it!!! (Said rather emphatically, as he gesiticulates wildly at a 4 X 6 piece of paper, with what looks like a Rorschach ink blot ... well, to be fair, it me it does. More taunts ... "10, 9, 8, 7 ... .")

So, yeah. My family ... gotta love them, just don't play games with them or open a discussion ... unless you want to lose a few brain cells along the way. :oP
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.animaniactoo
04/19/06 7:57 PM GMT
oh… they know they're a bunch of loons. the only question under discussion is which one is the MOST looniest. My mom wins least by default… and we're talking about a woman who burps @ random intervals, wears stuffed frogs on her head, loves the color purple, and used to bang on the table laughing/yelling hysterically "THERE SHE GOES AGAIN!" when my then teenage older sister would get caught mid-drink by an outburst of laughter and spit water out of her nose.
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.animaniactoo
04/19/06 7:59 PM GMT
P.S. Feel free to play any game in my family… just beware… Gramps attempts to cheat @ Scrabble, you don't wanna play Trivial Pursuit against my Dad… the only way to slow him down is hope he gets stuck on his pink wedge, and I'm no longer allowed to be the banker for Life or Monopoly. My youngest sister is unnaturally bothered by the bankrobbing. *pthffffffffft* what a stickler!
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purmusic
04/20/06 7:18 PM GMT
Hmm, back on track ... sort of, kind of, spelled sideways ...

If Microsoft made cars?

Would that mean that all other car manufacturers would have to install Microsofts' proprietary engine?
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+purmusic
04/03/10 11:48 AM GMT
You are a curious person, zoomaHorn, lol.
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*caedes
04/04/10 3:39 AM GMT
a bot
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+purmusic
04/04/10 3:53 AM GMT
Yeah, figured something akin to that where zoomaHorn was concerned. If I remember to do so, I post something just to get the name out of the lights or from the top of the thread(s) till it is taken care of.

Bit curious as why, or at least in my perception ... spam has increased. 'Smarter' bots? Guess so.


That aside, we still on for lunch on Tuesday? And don't try that 'ohhh, I forgot my wallet' routine ... a -gain. Sheesh.

:oP
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=Samatar
04/04/10 4:25 AM GMT
I was umming and ahhing for a while about banning that one. Nothing actually offensive about it though so hard to justify.
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